Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

12-28-2013 , 03:27 AM
i don't know a whole lot about RNG's but it seems silly to think sites are manipulating the cards to boost action. it seems like the more logical thing is that way more hands are being dealt/played so you see more action
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 03:28 AM
lol RNG worries.

Try the fact that every site is basically being shady as ****. Different levels of shady sure, but shady all the same. All the way from sites going busto and superusing players rather than admit it, to lock going busto up to Stars changing to zoom/not keeping promises to improve their bottom line.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 04:03 AM
I would say with 100,000% certainty this BS is rigged.

Player goes all in with K 10 off and I call with JJ. Who do you think wins. That was with 3 players left at SnG ( aconstant complaint of mine, this same BS happens all the time)

Changed everything really. He wins with pair of Kings, BS.

then I push all-in 1000 against the 200 BB and the player calls with A 5, same player as before. I have A K. Who do you think wins this one? would've been a redemption hand but no they run a straight out on the board for him.
100% rigged i see this same bull**** all the time.

I lost AA to so many hands today. A Q beat me with a straight. KK beat me. So many hands. But when the role is reversed I never hit mine. F this the whole concept of internet poker is bull****.

I don't know why my account has been rigged like this but its blatantly obvious to me. On 888 I cant even get dealt a hand so there has to be something wrong with the system. It is ridiculous

Oh and the other table I was on I was dominating with 2 pair on the flop. 3 diamonds on the board. Other donks call with low pairs and then of course another diamond on the river to give them the flush after all the chips were already moved in. My hand loses. Same BS over and over.

Last edited by FullDeck; 12-28-2013 at 04:13 AM.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 04:10 AM
But of course you just keep on playing...
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 04:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FullDeck
I would say with 100,000% certainty this BS is rigged.

Player goes all in with K 10 off and I call with JJ. Who do you think wins.
Didn't read the rest of your post and ain't gonna I closed my eyes and deleted it.


I bet KT won. I will bet so so so much that KT won.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 04:25 AM
^^ Forgot to mention the 24 off that called too to spite Mr. Deck there. Villain of whom hit the A35 flop and of course rightly KO'd his JJ.

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 04:43 AM
my horse has a lot of valid points regarding the future of online poker...

-friedrich nietzsche
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
of course it is. Only its not rigged the way you think it is. the majority of the dealings are the same for everyone. A little more juiced up in terms of the big hands dealt of extreme varianced whereby you either have everyone fold to your big starting holding 8/10 times pre flop because they are deaslt trash and than you lose the other 2 times when you play against someone because it is rigged for action. You still win 80% but its not a legit 80% Also, if you pay attention to the smokescreen audit, the sites potentially have the ability to go in after the shuffle and redistribute at there will. Nobody working at a site will deny this or say it is not possible. WHat will happen is the two plus two lifers will do there usual rain dance around it.
my hovercraft is full of eels.

Oh and : it's their will.

Maybe someone will take you serious after you learn some proper english
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FullDeck
I would say with 100,000% certainty this BS is rigged.

Player goes all in with K 10 off and I call with JJ. Who do you think wins. That was with 3 players left at SnG ( aconstant complaint of mine, this same BS happens all the time)

Changed everything really. He wins with pair of Kings, BS.

then I push all-in 1000 against the 200 BB and the player calls with A 5, same player as before. I have A K. Who do you think wins this one? would've been a redemption hand but no they run a straight out on the board for him.
100% rigged i see this same bull**** all the time.

I lost AA to so many hands today. A Q beat me with a straight. KK beat me. So many hands. But when the role is reversed I never hit mine. F this the whole concept of internet poker is bull****.

I don't know why my account has been rigged like this but its blatantly obvious to me. On 888 I cant even get dealt a hand so there has to be something wrong with the system. It is ridiculous

Oh and the other table I was on I was dominating with 2 pair on the flop. 3 diamonds on the board. Other donks call with low pairs and then of course another diamond on the river to give them the flush after all the chips were already moved in. My hand loses. Same BS over and over.
So you lost 5 hands and including one flip and a 60/40 and you think somehow that you have an argument for riggedness?

People, I know that people with the slightest clue of maths don't think it's rigged (why do you think that is?), but I am surprised you guys are that keen on talking about things you don't understand.

There are easy ways to prove or disprove your allegations. Repeatedly coming here and whine without even trying to prove your points seems like nothing but a desperate cry for attention.

I pity you, riggies. Feel better now?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FullDeck
I would say with 100,000% certainty this BS is rigged.

Player goes all in with K 10 off and I call with JJ. Who do you think wins. That was with 3 players left at SnG ( aconstant complaint of mine, this same BS happens all the time)

Changed everything really. He wins with pair of Kings, BS.

then I push all-in 1000 against the 200 BB and the player calls with A 5, same player as before. I have A K. Who do you think wins this one? would've been a redemption hand but no they run a straight out on the board for him.
100% rigged i see this same bull**** all the time.

I lost AA to so many hands today. A Q beat me with a straight. KK beat me. So many hands. But when the role is reversed I never hit mine. F this the whole concept of internet poker is bull****.

I don't know why my account has been rigged like this but its blatantly obvious to me. On 888 I cant even get dealt a hand so there has to be something wrong with the system. It is ridiculous

Oh and the other table I was on I was dominating with 2 pair on the flop. 3 diamonds on the board. Other donks call with low pairs and then of course another diamond on the river to give them the flush after all the chips were already moved in. My hand loses. Same BS over and over.
BBV is <-------- that way. Go have a rant there.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
I have lost count the number of players quitting online because of the crazy action. Whoever is responsible for the RNG is killing online poker
lol.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
That being said does anyone believe a full honest audit will be given to us.
Does anyone believe riggies haven't already made up their mind that any audit would be illegitimate?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
Also, if you pay attention to the smokescreen audit...


Quote:
Originally Posted by FullDeck
I would say with 100,000% certainty this BS is rigged.
I would say with 100,000% certainty you're FoS.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurjeff
There are people who have no vested interest in poker and they have done statistical analysis of just about every major site. Guess what? They did not find any rigging. Everything was pretty much where it should have been.
This is a riggie trying to handle a fact.



I give them too much credit. The guy in the gif is trying.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 02:04 PM
missread thread deleted

Last edited by ZeckoRiver; 12-28-2013 at 02:05 PM. Reason: deleted post misread thread
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bodhisoma
lol.



Does anyone believe riggies haven't already made up their mind that any audit would be illegitimate?







I would say with 100,000% certainty you're FoS.



This is a riggie trying to handle a fact.



I give them too much credit. The guy in the gif is trying.
Poor example , thats one of the few bad beats Randall the Handle ever gets . Nice try though.... your inner nerd is shining through...
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 02:56 PM
One of the things I struggle with would be that 90% of the,
"It's rigged because I saw this happen on 5 hands" seem to relate to sng's and tournaments, IF I ran a site and decided to put a "rig" in place it would be at cash tables. Sng and tournies, the rake has already been taken so there is nothing to be gained by rigging the outcome. At least in cash, if I can rig it so that as many hands as possible go to the flop but don't end up all in (I.e I would maximise the number of hands and therefore maximise rake taken). The last thing I would want would be action hands that hit the rake cap and risk them not reloading. I would want my rake nibbling away at the stack rather than another player gaining a chunk of it. (Kind of like why casinos would rather limit had stayed the game of choice).
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J9Suited
One of the things I struggle with would be that 90% of the,
"It's rigged because I saw this happen on 5 hands" seem to relate to sng's and tournaments, IF I ran a site and decided to put a "rig" in place it would be at cash tables.
Riggies almost all play high variance games and then bitch and moan about high variance, it's pretty amusing.
Quote:
Sng and tournies, the rake has already been taken so there is nothing to be gained by rigging the outcome.
That's because you think like a normal person, who would ragequit after being "bad beat" 5 times in a row. Apparently to riggies, this type of thing means you have to register for as many more tournaments as you can, as fast as you can.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 07:00 PM
Full admittance from first level support, huh? Sounds pretty heavy.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
Why doesn't Pokerstars show a FULL audit. They can adjust/effect dealings after the shuffle. Simple. I do have admittance from first level support of this So its amusing to see the affiliates defense of them
The best thing I ever did was switch to play money. I recommend that anyone feeling it is rigged do the same thing. It may seem a little strange at first playing with chips but you can condition yourself to be quite possesive of them . It is much more relaxing and these operators are actually providing you a free service. You just have to stick to your own plan and NEVER redeposit. They provide this to hook you and get you to deposit , but if you condition yourself to stick to your plan and stay on these tables forever , your life will change in so many positive ways. Best of luck on the Play tables and keep your cash .. In all sincerity .. Stork aka Freddie... P.S. When it becomes properly regulated , we can always reconcider..
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
The best thing I ever did was switch to play money. I recommend that anyone feeling it is rigged do the same thing. It may seem a little strange at first playing with chips but you can condition yourself to be quite possesive of them . It is much more relaxing and these operators are actually providing you a free service. You just have to stick to your own plan and NEVER redeposit. They provide this to hook you and get you to deposit , but if you condition yourself to stick to your plan and stay on these tables forever , your life will change in so many positive ways. Best of luck on the Play tables and keep your cash .. In all sincerity .. Stork aka Freddie... P.S. When it becomes properly regulated , we can always reconcider..
Yep, I would agree that for you and others with a paranoid disposition, this is the best decision you can make. Well done.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J9Suited
Yep, I would agree that for you and others with a paranoid disposition, this is the best decision you can make. Well done.
This has nothing to do with a paranoid disposition . I play sports , come from an avid watersport family with no fears other than a great respect for the water. . Well respected on the job , successful children , happy grandchildren. I do not believe there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll or area 51 has hidden aliens or any other modern day paranoias. I just see that online poker is not distributed as a random product and refuse to be duped by shady operators with off shore and protected licencers that are apart from actual Countries and laws set by our own governments..
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
This has nothing to do with a paranoid disposition . I play sports , come from an avid watersport family with no fears other than a great respect for the water. . Well respected on the job , successful children , happy grandchildren. I do not believe there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll or area 51 has hidden aliens or any other modern day paranoias. I just see that online poker is not distributed as a random product and refuse to be duped by shady operators with off shore and protected licencers that are apart from actual Countries and laws set by our own governments..
How did U.S. regulation work out in regards to banking?
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
Why doesn't Pokerstars show a FULL audit. They can adjust/effect dealings after the shuffle. Simple. I do have admittance from first level support of this So its amusing to see the affiliates defense of them
I am sure your next post will be of the relevant mail from stars support.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
This has nothing to do with a paranoid disposition . I play sports , come from an avid watersport family with no fears other than a great respect for the water. . Well respected on the job , successful children , happy grandchildren. I do not believe there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll or area 51 has hidden aliens or any other modern day paranoias. I just see that online poker is not distributed as a random product and refuse to be duped by shady operators with off shore and protected licencers that are apart from actual Countries and laws set by our own governments..
And the xenophobia continues...
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-28-2013 , 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibitthedog
I almost feel sorry for those stuck in the industry spiraling downward downward
Here's just two in the death spiral. Oh wait...



The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-29-2013 , 12:57 AM
In the spirit of holiday cheer, I would like to give a heartfelt thanks to the riggies.

There are those who happily (and not so happily) function as the engine of the poker economy. Many of them have lives and responsibilities that prevent them from enjoying this wonderful game.

But you beautiful men among Princes, you go above and beyond! Instead of spending what valuable time you have to better your game, you come here and spend hours, months, YEARS, spinning the most patently hilarious and willfully-blind excuses out of whole cloth.

And you're no pikers! These yarns would make L. Ron Hubbard blush.



I think I speak for all of 2+2 when I say Thank You. You cover not only your rake but ours too.

The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote
12-29-2013 , 01:19 AM
More rigged BS on 888 poker. Can't win nothing. A 6 loses all in to A 5. table before that I push all-in With AK 2 pair and guy calls with open ended straight draw after the turn but hits his card on the river. Big chips and eliminated on both. Straight BS on that site. **** it im really done with it.

Software is badly flawed. Freaking disgusting.
The great &quot;Poker is rigged&quot; debate - Collected threads edition Quote

      
m