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Old 07-10-2009, 05:01 AM   #6551
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

So is this thread still funny?
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:15 AM   #6552
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So is this thread still funny?
No.

It stopped being funny at around post 3177.

Now it would be more accurately classed as wryly whimsical.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:16 AM   #6553
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If he's Rounding4Rent, he must live outside.

Couldn't resist. I'm feeling very qpw atm.
You're feeling like my cash machine?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:58 AM   #6554
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

Is your cash machine full? Because in that case, yes, I'd like to feel it! Then I can give R4R some monies for a place to stay. He's squatting atm. . .Outside. .

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Old 07-10-2009, 07:04 AM   #6555
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Is your cash machine full? Because in that case, yes, I'd like to feel it! Then I can give R4R some monies for a place to stay. He's squatting atm. . .Outside. .
I thought he was a rent boy.

Mind you, 'rounding' is a new name for it.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:26 PM   #6556
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Re: PStars Appears to be Favring the Dog with their Software

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Lol I barely post in this thread now, I ve said my piece and now I mostly lurk and read other people 's post's to see what they think is going on.
to his credit, this is true.
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well, it's hard to be "off-topic" when most of your posts lately are "+1"

keep fighting the good fight, Sooper.

btw, did your boy who ripped you n' your bro off in that MTT ever pay y'all back?
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:20 PM   #6557
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So this is your answer? I did state a theory - the theory of "TIMING". I then went on to explain why the average player does not have the resources to obtain such data to be considered "EVIDENCE". Proper mathematical manner?? ELABORATE. Once again - you tiptoed around the question and used broad generalizations to justify your response as an "answer".
Just because you are too stupid to understand what he said doesn't mean he tiptoed around anything.

Do you think crying "I CAN'T get the evidence" will make people more apt to believe your theory of "TIMING"?
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:22 PM   #6558
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

Well here's my 2 cents

Maybe there's something up with the Rng at PKR

Ive given up playing poker on their site.

I was playing heads up and lost 4 games in a row on the river.

I think the probability of it was somewhere in the region of 11000 - 1 if my maths is right.

One of my badbeats and the one that really hurt was were i went all in with AA and was called with a 55

You guessed it he hit a 5 on the river. 20-1 shot right there.

Just not natural to have 4 games in a row were you go into the showdown ahead and get caned on the river.

However i delivered a bad beat of my own in a $500 heads up and ended up leaving the site with a profit.

My A6 suited beat his A9 when a 9 of spades came down on the river to give me a flush and him 2 pair.

Also the bonuses are a joke. I deposited $800
I think i would have had to gamble a ridiculously high amount of money like 38 grand to get the $800 100% bonus.

Stars and Party have given me some pretty bad beats over the years but nothing on the scale of PKR

Ultimately based on my experiences Im not comfortable and don't trust the product or software so.........

I wont be back to PKR - EVER.

Im sticking with live games down the cardrooms
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:26 PM   #6559
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In before merge.
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:26 PM   #6560
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Ok here goes - unlike UB or Absolute Poker which used Superuser accounts, I think there is a big problem with PStars software, regardless of what they tell you.

Here it is:

I have played PStars for years. At first I thought I was just paying my dues to learn how to be a better player. But I started to have sucess at other sites whereas it was one bad beat after another on this site. But I love the number of playes and game varieties on PStars, so I kept getting torched. Well, in the last 7 days I lost over 10 all in confrontations where I was a solid favorite:

7 times - odds of winning (70/30)....AQ for example, versus A-rag
3 times- odds of winning (80/20)....KK versus 44

I lost every one of these hands. In a row. So I thought - these probabilities have to be getting pretty staggering. So I figured out the odds.

The immediate response to my analysis I would guess would be that the sample size is just too small. But if you consider the odds of losing this many confrontations in a row - I get .000000524 as a chance of this happening. The odds of getting struck by lightning are .0000025. So my only conclusion here is something is really wrong at PStars.

Does anyone have statisical data to back up this note? I would be interested and welcome in seeing anyone to punch holes in this analysis. Or if I could check out other sources I would put in some foot work here as well.

Thanks
Do you people never stop. That might be the odds if they are the only all ins you have ever had but I suspect thats not the case.

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Wow dude, I mean seriously...WTF? I mean dude, what good do you do? What do you do for this poker forum at all? Why are you credible enough to be a spokesman for the general public? I'm serious, you and QPW do nothing but troll this thread to critisize and belittle anything anybody says negative about online poker. I really personally think you have other motives and agenda's here. What if somebody did come here and post credible evidence, you would say the same thing over and over again and steer them off...so we'd never know.
I don't think thats likely to happen but you know what to do, don't you?

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When we talk about online poker we are not just talking about a piece of software.. we're talking about a complex business model. Do you really think this billion dollar company would make it so easy to detect their manipulation of the game that a random guy on a poker forum could do it and bring down the whole operation? You guys are smarter than that... Aren't you???

Again you are saying its undetectable by detailed analysis but detectable by your crackpot brain from memory, including magical "timing". Are you unable to understand why this is so stupid?

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Maybe my true ROI is 9 at the worst. But with a 300 game sample I don't think it's truly 6 which is what it is at stars. For all you probablity masters what is the chance, with a 300 game sample, that my true roi is 6 or less given that it is currently 17?
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ncement63.html
http://www.rvgsoftware.com/roisimulator.zip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCe_1xDVScU
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:30 PM   #6561
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I did state a theory - the theory of "TIMING".
And what, exactly, is this so called 'theory of timing'?

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Do you really think this billion dollar company would make it so easy to detect their manipulation of the game that a random guy on a poker forum could do it and bring down the whole operation?
So all us random guys with our knowledge of probability maths and our analysis software can't spot anything but YOU can. Is that what you're trying to tell us?

Please tell us of these special powers you have and how you use them to spot a rigged deal.

I'm sure we'd all be fascinated.
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:57 PM   #6562
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

[Albert Einstein walks into a room]

"I have come here to state a theory. The theory of 'RELATIVITY'!"

[Leaves the room]

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Old 07-10-2009, 05:23 PM   #6563
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Just not natural to have 4 games in a row were you go into the showdown ahead and get caned on the river.
Yeah I would say it's pretty unnatural considering most people get CANNED, and the showdown comes AFTER the river.
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:17 PM   #6564
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Shooting dice over the phone and why you get scammed

At some point people need to realize that poker is a flawed game...particularly online poker. The only way not to be certain of being cheated is to play heads up live with the certainty of not having marked cards or video cameras working against you. Other than that, you are constantly at the mercy of being relieved of your funds at all times.

When the highest levels of societal trust have been proven to be theives and liars (Presidents, Priests, Policeman, Banks, Wall Street...even Teachers), then you need to quickly realize that the odds of you getting scammed in poker with regularity are extremely high.

Now I ask you, would any of you shoot dice over the phone with any online poker site where you relied on them to tell you what the results of the throws were...all over the phone? Would you shoot dice over the phone with ANY well-known poker player where they had the dice and you relied on them to tell you if you won or not?

Well guess what? By playing online poker you are making the assumption that the site is honest. If you would not trust the site shooting dice over the phone, then how can you trust them to not cheat you in poker.....when they control the whole game. Likewise, in live poker, even the biggest games are full of fraud, as the name of the game is to attract legitimate businessmen's money and relieve them of it......do you think for one moment that you would have a chance against those guys who have been taking people's money for decades?

Yes, of course you are being scammed. And you have nobody but yourself to blame. Russ Hamiltion is laughing at you, and so is Phil Hellmuth with his idiotic entrance to the World Series this year.....these people are laughing all the way to the bank! And at your expense.

They know that you cannot and will not do a single thing. They love it, and the show must go on. There is no shame at the upper end of the game, either. Not a single one of these big name pros risked anything to take down the cheaters. After all, they need to make money, and you can't prove Russ Hamilton or anyone else was involved, can you, suckers?

Well, even if you can prove it, you have already proved that you will absolutely do NOTHING about it. Taking silly hidden cell-phone pics of major fraudsters playing poker or golf just makes you all look bad.

Wanna shoot some dice?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:25 PM   #6565
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Busto?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:27 PM   #6566
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Busto?
I don't play poker.......never played a hand. Would you shoot dice over the phone against any online poker site or against any poker player?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:28 PM   #6567
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Busto?
ldo
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:33 PM   #6568
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Re: Shooting dice over the phone and why you get scammed

how can you be certain playing heads up live you're not being cheated by the casino/dealers?

btw the sky isnt falling
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:40 PM   #6569
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You still have dial-up?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:46 PM   #6570
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youre an idiot... i wouldnt need to cheat shooting dice over the phone if i got to take a percentage of each bet regardless of who wins. [rake]
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:47 PM   #6571
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but how much did you lose?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:48 PM   #6572
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the only way to make sure that you arent getting cheated is to find a way to cheat yourself
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:53 PM   #6573
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One of my badbeats and the one that really hurt was were i went all in with AA and was called with a 55

You guessed it he hit a 5 on the river. 20-1 shot right there.
No. 4:1 is the correct odds. The fact that it was the river card is totally irrelevant on a preflop all-in. Using a hand that wins one out of five times, is argument for what exactly?
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:55 PM   #6574
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i have a cable modem, so your post doesn't apply.... not over the phone.... but I'll have to cut back on my iPhone gambool

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Old 07-10-2009, 06:56 PM   #6575
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No. 4:1 is the correct odds. The fact that it was the river card is totally irrelevant on a preflop all-in. Using a hand that wins one out of five times, is argument for what exactly?
4:1 is impossible odds, the fact that it happened is proof poker is ROGGED
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