The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
09-01-2013
, 06:17 PM
09-01-2013
, 08:49 PM
Because there is some network activity on your computer that you don't understand then you think it maybe superusing?
09-01-2013
, 11:59 PM
Nonsense. Convincing people that there's something amis is clearly your goal since you've bothered to talk about it.
My interest is in pointing out that you've made lots of absurd claims that don't pass the fall-down-laughing test and you are not capable of explaining the building-shaped holes in your "hypothesis."
Yet you fail to explain how an observer could detect this rig and statistical analysis could not.
And if I were to provide an example of that not happening, you'd admit that the rig didn't exist?
Of course you wouldn't. You'll just say the rig wasn't on that day. It's easy to never be proven wrong when you've never offered up a position that could possibly be falsified, isn't it?
Keep dodging the tough questions Stork. Nobody suspects a thing.
My interest is in pointing out that you've made lots of absurd claims that don't pass the fall-down-laughing test and you are not capable of explaining the building-shaped holes in your "hypothesis."
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Anyone watching poker online will easily spot the program.
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Observe for instance any free roll MTT where three donks go all in . the program kicks in to give the lowest chip holder the best hand , the second best hand goes to the second chip holder and the big stack gets his stack equalized , thus everyone still in and thinking it was just a coincidence that a triple all in gets split as equally as the program could calculate.
Of course you wouldn't. You'll just say the rig wasn't on that day. It's easy to never be proven wrong when you've never offered up a position that could possibly be falsified, isn't it?
Keep dodging the tough questions Stork. Nobody suspects a thing.
09-02-2013
, 05:02 AM
09-02-2013
, 07:34 AM
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If you make a living playing poker 
Why on earth are you on here bantering with me and a large number of riggies that play 1/2 poker and lose. It makes no sense whatsoever either you are full of crap or ( ) I don't know what else to even say . bored , sick , nuts , insecure , WHAT ...
Why on earth are you on here bantering with me and a large number of riggies that play 1/2 poker and lose. It makes no sense whatsoever either you are full of crap or ( ) I don't know what else to even say . bored , sick , nuts , insecure , WHAT ...
09-02-2013
, 09:29 AM
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...I am determined to root out these attackers so they are finished for good.
You know, ever since Stork accused me of being a bot, I keep thinking about how Stork is indistinguishable from Eliza.
> Hello. My name is Eliza. How may I help you?
* Hello.
> How are you today.. What would you like to discuss?
* Why do you think poker is rigged?
> You're not really talking about me, are you?
* How often should runner-runners happen?
> Are such questions on your mind often?
* Yes. You made the claim. Can you back it up?
> You want me to be able to back it up?
* Yes.
> I see.
This is literally the most basic question needing an answer before suspecting a rig but facts, schmacts, Stork knows it's there!
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If you make a living playing poker Why on earth are you on here bantering with me and a large number of riggies that play 1/2 poker and lose. It makes no sense whatsoever either you are full of crap or ( ) I don't know what else to even say . bored , sick , nuts , insecure , WHAT ...
Why on earth are you on here bantering with me and a large number of riggies that play 1/2 poker and lose. It makes no sense whatsoever either you are full of crap or ( ) I don't know what else to even say . bored , sick , nuts , insecure , WHAT ...
Lessee, what subset of poker players have chronic selective memory, having vivid recollection of losing when ahead but forgetting the times they lost when behind. It's on the tip of my tongue...
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This is supposedly in on my network under united kingdom virgin media /routed through www.888poker.com poker servers.
- DNS is a lookup mechanism. It translates human-readable addresses (eg: cnn.com) into an IP address (eg: 209.94.128.8) and that IP address is not even the server that has what you need. The resulting IP address is your internet service provider telling your computer "We don't know how to get to cnn.com but the computer 209.94.128.8 does, go ask that computer."
- Routing is handled by the routing table and you don't have a routing table because you're not routing traffic. If you wanted to know how your packets are routed you'd use traceroute or some facsimile.
- The dump of your DNS cache has no routing information in it whatsoever.
- The dump of your DNS cache has information not generated by your poker client.
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Now Im no judge of character but isn't this a little strange to be logged into Amsterdam? through my connection whilst im running just 1 main event at 888 poker wsop challenge for $525 entry.
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Funny : I just wrote out the answer you were looking for ( close to an hour ) and it says I had to re log in . So it wasn't received , oh well maybe some other time or place. It would have enlightened you ( perhaps someone did't want it out there?) Best to all Stork
If you press reply and wait long enough to submit the reply, the token expires and the message will not be posted. Easily correctable by pressing the "back" button on the browser (I know because this happened to me yesterday). All you have to do is copy your work, go back to the original page, re-click "reply" and post.
But Stork has an alternate theory! Perhaps there's a cabal sitting in a dark room pressing delete buttons to keep his truth from getting out, a cabal capable of being thwarted by using notepad to compose messages before posting and/or the browser "back" button!
And here comes Stork, protector of the public good, bravely putting forward the possibility! You know, no evidence or anything, just ...putting it out there.
Occam's Razor for the win. So much for intellectual and ethical integrity.
Now Stork, you claim there's an equalization rig which insures that the rigging is masked by causing targeted players to win small pots but lose big ones. But if each equalization involves at least two people, and often more, you can't explain how the site could keep track of who-is-owed-what when the number of transactions necessary to balance the balancing would quickly, and geometrically, grow larger than the number of all the atoms in the universe.
Ignore this. Nobody suspects a thing.
09-02-2013
, 09:33 AM
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So equalization was born of sheer neccessity to keep degenerate gamblers in the game long enough to get them hooked on poker as their game of choice. since most players have neither the ambition or inteligence to master poker they would go to other more mindless forms of gambling like some aformentioned. Best to all Stork
Which simply means: Equalization is not needed, the degens gonna degen regardless.
But i have a feeling you will have a smart answer to that....
09-02-2013
, 10:44 AM
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Oh, it's great to hear you're learning and feeling helped by the people saying this is normal and the opposite of what you suspected.
Nevermind.
This.
Answering questions with his own questions is Stork's way of muddying the water and avoiding the hard questions being put to him. It gives the very thin illusion of discussion when what's happening is a broadcast.
You know, ever since Stork accused me of being a bot, I keep thinking about how Stork is indistinguishable from Eliza.
> Hello. My name is Eliza. How may I help you?
* Hello.
> How are you today.. What would you like to discuss?
* Why do you think poker is rigged?
> You're not really talking about me, are you?
* How often should runner-runners happen?
> Are such questions on your mind often?
* Yes. You made the claim. Can you back it up?
> You want me to be able to back it up?
* Yes.
> I see.
And yet Stork is shocking incapable of answering this one, simple question; "How often does do runner-runners happen on rigged sites and how often should they occur with a fair deck?"
This is literally the most basic question needing an answer before suspecting a rig but facts, schmacts, Stork knows it's there!
Remember, Stork doesn't need to explain himself to you. I absolutely love the people who spend a lot of time telling people they don't care what those people think.
Stork forgot "sticking up for truth" and "forcing people who slander the good name of innocent people to explain themselves." I've mentioned this before but he never includes these in his list. It's ...it's like selective memory or something.
Lessee, what subset of poker players have chronic selective memory, having vivid recollection of losing when ahead but forgetting the times they lost when behind. It's on the tip of my tongue...
So much fail.
I think this sums up Stork rather nicely.
If you press reply and wait long enough to submit the reply, the token expires and the message will not be posted. Easily correctable by pressing the "back" button on the browser (I know because this happened to me yesterday). All you have to do is copy your work, go back to the original page, re-click "reply" and post.
But Stork has an alternate theory! Perhaps there's a cabal sitting in a dark room pressing delete buttons to keep his truth from getting out, a cabal capable of being thwarted by using notepad to compose messages before posting and/or the browser "back" button!
And here comes Stork, protector of the public good, bravely putting forward the possibility! You know, no evidence or anything, just ...putting it out there.
Occam's Razor for the win. So much for intellectual and ethical integrity.
Now Stork, you claim there's an equalization rig which insures that the rigging is masked by causing targeted players to win small pots but lose big ones. But if each equalization involves at least two people, and often more, you can't explain how the site could keep track of who-is-owed-what when the number of transactions necessary to balance the balancing would quickly, and geometrically, grow larger than the number of all the atoms in the universe.
Ignore this. Nobody suspects a thing.
Nevermind.
This.
Answering questions with his own questions is Stork's way of muddying the water and avoiding the hard questions being put to him. It gives the very thin illusion of discussion when what's happening is a broadcast.
You know, ever since Stork accused me of being a bot, I keep thinking about how Stork is indistinguishable from Eliza.
> Hello. My name is Eliza. How may I help you?
* Hello.
> How are you today.. What would you like to discuss?
* Why do you think poker is rigged?
> You're not really talking about me, are you?
* How often should runner-runners happen?
> Are such questions on your mind often?
* Yes. You made the claim. Can you back it up?
> You want me to be able to back it up?
* Yes.
> I see.
And yet Stork is shocking incapable of answering this one, simple question; "How often does do runner-runners happen on rigged sites and how often should they occur with a fair deck?"
This is literally the most basic question needing an answer before suspecting a rig but facts, schmacts, Stork knows it's there!
Remember, Stork doesn't need to explain himself to you. I absolutely love the people who spend a lot of time telling people they don't care what those people think.
Stork forgot "sticking up for truth" and "forcing people who slander the good name of innocent people to explain themselves." I've mentioned this before but he never includes these in his list. It's ...it's like selective memory or something.
Lessee, what subset of poker players have chronic selective memory, having vivid recollection of losing when ahead but forgetting the times they lost when behind. It's on the tip of my tongue...
So much fail.
- DNS is a lookup mechanism. It translates human-readable addresses (eg: cnn.com) into an IP address (eg: 209.94.128.8) and that IP address is not even the server that has what you need. The resulting IP address is your internet service provider telling your computer "We don't know how to get to cnn.com but the computer 209.94.128.8 does, go ask that computer."
- Routing is handled by the routing table and you don't have a routing table because you're not routing traffic. If you wanted to know how your packets are routed you'd use traceroute or some facsimile.
- The dump of your DNS cache has no routing information in it whatsoever.
- The dump of your DNS cache has information not generated by your poker client.
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I think this sums up Stork rather nicely.
If you press reply and wait long enough to submit the reply, the token expires and the message will not be posted. Easily correctable by pressing the "back" button on the browser (I know because this happened to me yesterday). All you have to do is copy your work, go back to the original page, re-click "reply" and post.
But Stork has an alternate theory! Perhaps there's a cabal sitting in a dark room pressing delete buttons to keep his truth from getting out, a cabal capable of being thwarted by using notepad to compose messages before posting and/or the browser "back" button!
And here comes Stork, protector of the public good, bravely putting forward the possibility! You know, no evidence or anything, just ...putting it out there.
Occam's Razor for the win. So much for intellectual and ethical integrity.
Now Stork, you claim there's an equalization rig which insures that the rigging is masked by causing targeted players to win small pots but lose big ones. But if each equalization involves at least two people, and often more, you can't explain how the site could keep track of who-is-owed-what when the number of transactions necessary to balance the balancing would quickly, and geometrically, grow larger than the number of all the atoms in the universe.
Ignore this. Nobody suspects a thing.
Last edited by StorkMerriam; 09-02-2013 at 10:55 AM.
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09-02-2013
, 11:05 AM
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LOL, maybe you should rethink your own ****ty definition of 'degenerate gambler'. You know, this type of player puts as much money into his game of choice as he can. He will not back off because of some losses.
Which simply means: Equalization is not needed, the degens gonna degen regardless.
But i have a feeling you will have a smart answer to that....
Which simply means: Equalization is not needed, the degens gonna degen regardless.
But i have a feeling you will have a smart answer to that....
09-02-2013
, 11:12 AM
Ad hominem, the last straw of the uneducated...
09-02-2013
, 11:22 AM
He doesn't have a lot of options. Stork's theory is flat-out hilarious. He can't go into detail because the more he does, the more ridiculous it becomes so from a tactical perspective, to his credit, he's probably correct in changing the subject, answering questions with questions and attacking other people.
That's ...brilliant...
Well said.
My poker ambitions don't measure up to Stork's standards. I'll get right on that.
The only thing tired is Stork's dim-witted attempts to blame his personal failures on innocent people and inability to back up his own claims.
Keep dodging Stork. Treat it like boxing; stick and move, stick and move. Nobody suspects a thing.
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This whole thing reminds me of the story about the World Series. Riggie claims its rigged to go 7 games to he max advertising money. Shill points out the World Series rarely goes 7 games. Riggie responds "of course, they wouldn't want to make it obvious!"
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A regular deck of cards equalizes enough. No need to spend money rigging it further.
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The only thing tired is Stork's dim-witted attempts to blame his personal failures on innocent people and inability to back up his own claims.
Keep dodging Stork. Treat it like boxing; stick and move, stick and move. Nobody suspects a thing.
09-02-2013
, 11:28 AM
09-02-2013
, 11:33 AM
09-02-2013
, 12:12 PM
Yes , sincerely sorry for speculating and commenting on your poker ability , but keeping it honest your comments have the ring of a sixth grade follow the crowd and impress my buddies tone.....
09-02-2013
, 12:15 PM
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The most astute comment in the thread.
I'd just add that it does a good job of maximizing rake too. Poker is a brilliant design of mixing huge amounts of random luck with the ability to have one's skill edge eventually predominate in results. There's a reason it's the most popular card game in the world.
I'd just add that it does a good job of maximizing rake too. Poker is a brilliant design of mixing huge amounts of random luck with the ability to have one's skill edge eventually predominate in results. There's a reason it's the most popular card game in the world.
Other than the obvious fact , that people are attracted to my irresistable charm and witty intellect....
09-02-2013
, 12:33 PM
Yeah less **** slinging more theory please.
09-02-2013
, 01:08 PM
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