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Old 07-06-2009, 05:33 PM   #6126
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sure, but the scam lasted for decades during which nobody actually bothered to look into.
So you should be thankful that there are people such as Spadebidder, Josem and myself who do actually analyse HH's (albeit in my case not specifically for signs of rigging but they would certainly show up) and would blow the whistle in a heartbeat if we found something wrong.

Of couse, the card carrying rigtard will have no truck with that, no doubt hurling baseless accusations of shillary.

But then again, no matter what anyone did they would never be satisfied because their rigtardism is necessary for them to explain their abysmal performance at poker in a way that does not require them to actually accept how God awful bad they are at the game.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:35 PM   #6127
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If this anomaly is "bad cards", how do I detect it? If I suspect that the fish are given good cards, how do I code for that?
did you know that good players can win with bad cards and "fish" can lose with good ones?

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Old 07-06-2009, 05:38 PM   #6128
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No, of course I don't know what is official, because test of the official kind don't exist. If this anomaly is "bad cards", how do I detect it? If I suspect that the fish are given good cards, how do I code for that?
I gave detailed instructions of how to do exactly that a few days ago in this thread.

Read the thread backwards until you find it.

Then either program it yourself or pay someone else to do it.

Your only other option is to come up with some evidence (there's that word the rigtards hate with a vengence) and someone will gladly undertake the programming free of charge.

Failing any of those you have a very good opportunity to STFU and stop libeling people and companies for whom you have no evidence of any wrongdoing.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:39 PM   #6129
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How many times do I have to say this.

The minute you rig the code so that anyone can notice a benefit you will have the people who were cheated noticing the reverse.

A fair number of those people will not be hopeless rigtards but well qualified analysts and programmers who would immediately start to analyse their HH's and publically available databases and start screaming the results from the hilltops (assuming wrongdoing was found).
Actually it will take more than a minute, didn't you say that I need something like a trillion of hands?

These wrongdoings could be quite subtle. If it is very easy, then algorithms to test the databases must be public somewhere. Since you are so knowledgeable of this subject, do you perhaps know where?
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:39 PM   #6130
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:41 PM   #6131
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So you should be thankful that there are people such as Spadebidder, Josem and myself who do actually analyse HH's (albeit in my case not specifically for signs of rigging but they would certainly show up) and would blow the whistle in a heartbeat if we found something wrong.
OK, qpw, since you have the system, will you test my database and publish the results here?
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:43 PM   #6132
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS x 100 After two pages I gave up
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:44 PM   #6133
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Actually it will take more than a minute, didn't you say that I need something like a trillion of hands?
No, I didn't. Find the reference to 'a trillion' and read it again.

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These wrongdoings could be quite subtle.
But if they are so subtle that no one noticed them there would be no point in doing it, would there?

And if they weren't that subtle, non-******ed players would also spot the anomalies and begin testing.

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If it is very easy, then algorithms to test the databases must be public somewhere.
Public? Why?

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Since you are so knowledgeable of this subject, do you perhaps know where?
Well, I've got a few on my hard disk.

PM me and we'll negotiate a price if you'd like to build some code around them.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:47 PM   #6134
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OK, qpw, since you have the system, will you test my database and publish the results here?
Yes, certainly.

If you have any credible evidence I'll do it for nothing.

In the absence of credible evidence I would expect to take a couple of days over it so the cost would be £4800.

PM me if you're interested.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:51 PM   #6135
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:53 PM   #6136
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I didn't read any of that but imo Stars just gave out millions of HHs, verified by players, about 6 months ago for statistical analysis?
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:54 PM   #6137
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Is this the start of another 'rigged' thread?
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:54 PM   #6138
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:57 PM   #6139
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Actually, why would Stars need to have the RNG audited again if it hasn't changed.

And before anyone starts bleating that 'PS may have changed it in the interim' there's nothing to stop them replacing the audited RNG with another the moment the auditing authority walks out of the door.

So unless you expect them to have the auditors active 24/7 there's no real problem here.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:59 PM   #6140
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You should be ashamed of yourself. You call yourself a shill?

(to be fair, all of stephenmeare's posts have been deleted, but quotes are still intact.)
Oh yeah, Real Deal guy. He was an actual shill I think and a weird zealot so I kind of tuned him out after a while.


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btw I am not implying that programming of the rigging is easy. I am implying that that particular part of code (if the games are fair) is pretty straightforward. To replace it with rigged code, you don't even have to tell the other programmers. You just need to find 1 crooked programmer who does the dirty job and gets paid seven figures to keep the mouth shut.

The comparision with Madoff case is straight on. Indeed, in that case, a lot of people had to know what is going on and the scam went on for decades. Even more, the regulatory institutions were warned about Madoff and they did nothing. They didn't even audit him.
There have been hundreds of poker rooms over the years, so for it to be a "straight on" comparison that would require all of them to be pulling this off without any getting caught somehow, or are your theories only for a specific room and all others are fine?

This would be like not one but hundreds of Madoffs existing. Come on now That is a lot of massive conspiracy stuff that has never been caught involving a lot of grunts in on it, which is one of the biggest flaws in most riggedologist logic. They ignore that hundreds, maybe thousands of poker rooms have existed, so how many use this secret mystical stuff?

Interesting riggedologist trend. Seems we have gone away from flush draws winning/big stacks winning theories to more fanciful intricate rigged software that makes no sense concepts. Should get even wilder when we see that billion hand data analysis.
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:02 PM   #6141
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how do you know it hasn't changed? It could have, that is the point. To say it is impossible to have them there 24/7 is a cop out, they could go once every 3 months or something.
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:04 PM   #6142
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There have been hundreds of poker rooms over the years, so for it to be a "straight on" comparison that would require all of them to be pulling this off without any getting caught somehow, or are your theories only for a specific room and all others are fine?
No, I am not implying that all sites are rigged. That would be quite dumb of me, wouldn't it be?
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:07 PM   #6143
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No, I am not implying that all sites are rigged. That would be quite dumb of me, wouldn't it be?
Fine, which ones are rigged? Which ones are not rigged?

Most riggedologists assume all are rigged, which as you acknowledge makes zero sense for all of this software manipulation conspiracy stuff to exist in all of them.
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:12 PM   #6144
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:13 PM   #6145
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Fine, which ones are rigged? Which ones are not rigged?
I most certainly won't disclose the site here. I am not here to make negative publicity. Well, unless I am 100% sure, which I am not.
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:15 PM   #6146
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how do you know it hasn't changed? It could have, that is the point. To say it is impossible to have them there 24/7 is a cop out, they could go once every 3 months or something.
yeah and they could submit one RNG for an audit and then switch it back out again afterwards so if you believe they'd do stuff like that then why are the audits of any significance to you at all?
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:16 PM   #6147
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This guy's last theory was that tournaments are filled with 75% house bots, so I assume he is just mixing up his paranoia a bit to keep it fresh.

I hope he used the word ponzi in that long ramble I did not read. That's a fun word.
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:17 PM   #6148
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:18 PM   #6149
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:19 PM   #6150
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I most certainly won't disclose the site here. I am not here to make negative publicity. Well, unless I am 100% sure, which I am not.
You are not a secret agent. If you have proof that a site is rigged then show it. Believe me, you saying their name will not impact it one bit, since no one really believes you anyway.

This new crop of riggedologists is fairly lame.

Edit: Damn evil merges that mess the flow of this.

The mergers are rigged.
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