It is unlikely that you will be able to be convinced, given the factors that appear relevant to your own decision making process.

It seems that online poker is not for you, which is ok; it isn't for everyone.

It seems to me that this discussion has gone off on an extraordinary tangent.

Perhaps a dramatic pause to create tension is in order.

True.. but you were the one that brought it out of context.

Pokerstars employees love to use ineffective comparisons and then whinge when those are used against.

The purpose of a metaphor is to highlight a particular point. That's why metaphors exist. Arguing over the semantics of the metaphor is silly and that's what internet trolls do, not what people who are interested in having a reasonable discussion.

I have no problem with debating your metaphor and comparisons. You had no problem before in trying to defend against my arguments of that metaphor.

And now all of a sudden you do.

Your job is to convince me pokerstars is fair but you are convincing me of the opposite.

Pokerstars' acquisition of Full Tilt has nothing to do with a rigged deal.

Neither have anything to do with child endangerment.

Can we move on?

I don't think that my job is to convince you at all. I post here because I find the issues interesting, and not because I particularly care about how you views the issue. For what it's worth, the only feedback I've ever received from anyone else in the company about my posting on here is that I should do less, not more.

The US situation and PokerStars is settled to the satisfaction of both PokerStars and the US Government. While PokerStars thinks that it didn't break any laws, certain parts of the US Government did. It's a normal part of the US court system to negotiate settlements, so I don't really think that this should be the least bit controversial to you or anyone else.

you are clearly biased because your friend josem started that topic.. why didnt you quote his post when he began that point?

and full tilt was never the point. the bank fraud and money laundering was.

but yes lets move on.

Not surprised.

And yeh those last comments were a bit trolly... sorry..

Thank you for saying it like it is.

The indictment was never very clear about which allegations applied to PokerStars, and which applied to other organisations. For example, PokerStars never miscoded credit card transactions.

You riggies say all the time that all the shills are working for the Poker sites and that this is a plan by the poker sites to pass disinformation. Granted, I actively encourage those beliefs, but how can you then be "not surprised" when told the poker sites want people who actually work for them to post less here.

Do riggies believe the sites want people to post here or not, is it so hard for riggies to just pick a simple choice and stick with it.

All the best.

Josem, I have to take issue with your second paragraph. By withdrawing from the US market and agreeing not to accept US players, Poker Stars lost its case against the DOJ and effectively admitted that it broke some US law. I realize that legally PS made no such admission, but in practice it did.

I wish PS had litigated the case in a trial and appeal. IMO, it had a decent chance to win and prevail on its stance that it did not violate any federal law. The recent NY case in which a federal district court ruled that the IGBA does not include poker supports PS legal position in its case against the DOJ.

I can understand why PS decided to settle, pay a lot of money and act as if it did violate some US federal law. I wish that it made a different decision.

No, I don't accept this interpretation at all. There was no admission of wrong-doing, and that's a key point to come out of it.

Its a shame that Full tilt couldnt buy their way out of it.... Did they have cash flow problems? No matter

In terms of rigged or not.... I would LOVE to see an extensive review of +EV players vs -EV players with similar bankroll/hours of play/types of games. Both being under 18 hrs a week players would be ideal from my personal perspective.

Hand histories and whether I have 85% on my AA KK means little in overall bubble/cashing/tourny position situations.

could be he actually knew what he was doing. it was probably at high blind levels. it could have been +ev for him to be shoving (even with atc depending on the situation and based off of foes calling range). the gap theory kind of goes out the window sometimes. sng's are played in a MUCH different way than a standard tourney due to the pay structure.

i recommend neil timothy's book as a primer; then you can tweak those principle's a bit if you'd like, to suit your own style. also, physioc's videos are an ideal tool. just picked up moshman's book but too early to give a review. seems like a pretty heavy read though, perhaps going beyond what is necessary at times. but he's a math guy and they do that...lol. also, i'm sure there must be sng info right here on good ol' 2+2 worth checking in to.

sng's can be an awesome and easy (if a little repetitious early on) form of poker. but if you enjoy starting your sessions by gambling it up LAG style, i would NOT recommend sng's.

Very funny.

You should absolutely do this review and let us know the results.

Well that was nice of Pokerstars to give you a weeks vacation, and all of you the same time

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ya looks like you pop in from time to time, just like the recovering alchoholic who occasiionally has a drink to relax his nerves

I didn't say "from time to time" you illiterate imbecile.

not a key point, it's a key perception meant to try and save face. It shows everyone once again you can buy yourself out of criminal charges. Build a big bankroll fellow poker players than go pilgrimage your local town/city

they can't stop playing because they are deeply addicted to gambling and they will continue to gamble despite the fact that it is destroying them.

combine that with being mentally sick and you get people like scamcity, here.

It requires two parties to agree to make a settlement

Pokersites actually pay people to fiddle with truths in rigged threads these days? that's awesome really. Is this the main focus of the job or a side duty?

Lol, no that's not true at all. No one gets paid here I'm sure.

By the way, can you point out one "truth" that's been fiddled with?

Yup, we actually have planning meetings on strategies.

I will actually tell you all the details since you are getting so close to the truth, but you should at least have the opportunity to say your shill conspiracy theory first to prove what insight you have on these secret dealings.

Break it down by poster, by how much you believe people get paid to pass disinformation, and any other factor you can think of and after you do that I will actually reveal all the truths you have been waiting to hear.

Ignore these other guys telling you that you are a whiny troll, and charge forward with the truth as you believe it. I very much encourage you do that and I do ask that I be an important character in that story as well. I deserve that for being the only shill to support your shill conspiracy beliefs.

Then again, perhaps that is my secret job...


All the best.

Just curious, why dont you get a job posting here as a Pokerstars 2+2 anti rigtard thread poster?

You are not built to be successful at poker but you seem to be great at lying and talking out of your ass.

It seems the job you accuse others of having would be right up your alley, too bad its imaginary or you might be able to finally make some money from poker despite your inferior poker skills.