^^ I've been called worse than sarcastic...haha. I'll take that. Touche, sir.

Lol, I meant my original post I was just teasing him because his post was so silly.

Ill admit though it wasnt one of my better sarcastic efforts so I can understand the confusion.

My apologies.

Do you even read before posting? Again, in order to do a proper analysis you would need a very large database of hh's. Spadebidder did exactly that and you can read all about it. Riggies on the other hand never did such analysis, end of story. I also said nothing about it being suspicious. It's called insufficient.

And that has what to do with rigging exactly ?

False.

Again, please read for a change. I thought it was quite easy to understand what was written.

I get it, you only want to talk with same minded people, so you can high five eachother and say "i know man". Typical way of thinking for riggies when it comes to the word discussion.

^^

I don't know how carefully you read the assertion you are defending, but here it is again in case you didn't: "there are people who are 100% convinced it cannot be rigged". I've never seen a post from anyone that is 100% convinced that online poker absolutely cannot be rigged.

Well, some of you believe that, but it simply isn't true. Do you think that the posters that helped uncover the super user cheating at Cereus had such access? They had nothing more than their own hand histories, and the whole thing blew up from there. There were of course sceptics at first, but as more people came forward with hand histories, it became more obvious what was going on - much like what would happen if anyone came forward with compelling evidence of rigging.

LOL, what?

Believe it or not, a post every couple of days really doesn't take me that long, but nice try.

None of them, of course, but I'm not surprised to see your lack of evidence doesn't prevent you from throwing more baseless accusations around.

The main thing that surprises me whenever i have a look through this thread is that some of the grammar and spelling of the riggies is actually spot on.

Anybody using this? Does it work?

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it would certainly help if you carefully explain what is happening and provide data that illustrates why you are so convinced. You know that the danger with that is people will explain why what you have seen is really not that special and is no basis for the beliefs you have.

So you provide youtube links of magicians instead. I can't watch the link but if it is the episode I'm thinking of it is a very simple (and old) trick that everybody has heard about or saw coming a mile off. What was the one you linked before? Coinflipping?

Why don't you instead provide data that illustrates your claim that bad play is rewarded 60% of the time? Oh, I know why...

As you are so convinced people are paid to post here perhaps you could speculate how much they are paid?

I wonder if the reason for poker sites having links to these places could be the same reason a winning player might be "based" here?

I've never seen an "it's rigged" anaylsis that is so believable. Can you provide a link to the best anaylsis of this kind?

Of course it doesn't work.

And $9,815 is a weird number for them to choose for their advertisement. Not that this is relevant, but that just stuck out as weird to me.

^^ That site linked above is right up there with the Jupiter Jack. Only difference is the Jupiter Jack works and isn't a scam. Their ad should be next to the guy who replaced Billy Mays at 4am on Sunday nights in Scranton.

How do you know for sure it does not work?

If you had something that was worth millions of dollars would you sell it to a complete stranger for $10?

No I would not. Very good point. I am just amazed at the level of good play that I see at the microtables.

I cannot make a profit at the 11 cent 6 hand sit n go tables but I win $35.00 buy in live tourneys with 80 or more people

The games are just tough online. Live games on the other hand are significantly softer. This has always been true but even more so now. It would not surprise me to find a higher % of overall fishier players with worse leaks at the highest limit casino games than at NL10 on Merge.

Just to add to my last post with a very easy observation that tends to prove my point regarding online vs casino games. It wouldnt be uncommon to see 30 tables of 6max NL10 running on Merge with only 3-4 tables of 20+VPIP.

There are very few casino poker tables at any stakes that you will ever see that will be that tight.

Given such a discrepancy between the general skill level of online players vs live players, and the game conditions that result from that, it is not surprising that you have experienced a big difference in your results.

This is completely standard.

I agree with this totally. However, how would you explain being consistently run over AFTER all the money goes in by runner-runnesr and/or two outs? I'm equally interested in why opponents are calling all-ins needing runner runner or holding an under pocket pair to the flop? However, the only plausible feedback I've received after posting hand histories elsewhere in twoplustwo forums is that these apparent fish aren't really thinking at all. I have a tough time believing that, but even if I could I still can't explain these highly improbable, yet persistent, beats.

Instead of mocking you Im going to give you very good advice.

If you are really serious about winning, instead of posting bad beats and crying about them blaming imaginary monsters, post the same hands without the results in the appropriate sub forum and get feedback on how you could have played the hands better.

The bad beats are irrelevant to whether you win or lose. We all get the same beats. You are not special.

Post your stats, compare them with better players, find the leaks in your game, we all have them.

Doing this will not only fix strategic leaks in your game, but it will have helped to fix what was potentially your biggest leak, your weak flawed poker mindset.

You will never reach your potential as a poker player if you dont take responsibility for your own results.

I can assure you if you heed this advice you will do better and feel better while doing it.

Or you can ignore me and continue your inferior line of thinking.

Good luck to you either way.

How consistently? How improbable? How persistent?

Even somebody extremely qualified couldn't analyse the statistical significance of a bad run, from memory, whilst playing. Why do you think that you can?

They're probably right about them being fish. Regarding the under pair on the flop, this is read/opponent specific. For example, If i have reads on opponents that he always overbets the flop as a bluff, i have no trouble calling him down light. (it works boths ways, even the bluffy opponent sucks out on the turn or river when i decide to make the call) Sometimes, i have made such calls while i'm tilted and clearly should have folded and got saved on either the turn or river, that's poker. (most of the times i do NOT get saved)

To give you a simple example from yesterday: I had QQ and got called by an aggro fish in the blinds..Flop came K3x, he c/r allin..since i did have some reads on him that he was an aggro bluffy fish, i called his shove..and he showed A3..he rivered an A for 2 pair. Tough luck.

Perhabs i have stats on you that you will always c-bet and c/f the turn for a high %. Then my cards don't really matter all that much, since im calling you and plan to bet the turn and expect you to fold alot when you check. Some of those times you actually do have a good hand and I spike a 2 outer on the turn. Note that i did not call your flop bet and knew i had to spike a 2 outer. Handreading doesn't work that way, you don't put opponents on 1 hand.


You're also implying that somehow they knew that they needed a runner runner to win, what's more likey is that they made bad calls and got rewarded. (and yes, that does happen live aswell) Instead of getting mad about it, just know that you got your money in good and you made your opponent make a mistake. If you continue to make the same play and your opponent does aswell, you win money in the long run and that's all that matters.

Maybe you have tilt problems, i suggest to read a few books regarding that issue.

Hold em Secrets is a lie pure junk. Read their terms.

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Of course it's junk, so why do you keep giving their links?

Because like I said. I cannot believe how I cannot make money at a 11 cent online 6 table sit n go but I am able to cash/win in live tourneys with a 100 or more players. My thinking is I am playing aginst bots or cheats online.

Stop raging about losing dimes online and quit and go crush live.

If you want to stay online then I highly suggest you spend the $50 (or whatever it costs) on that software and use it to make a ton of money and also entertain us later as you wonder why your account got hacked via a keylogger, or that the promise of easy millions for $50 was somehow not legit.

The mods will remove the links because otherwise you will be assumed to be spamming it as someone trying to sell it, but I genuinely believe you are exactly as you present yourself to be, and paying $50 to learn a lesson in fake products likely will save you a ton more down the line, so buy that guys product and tell us how you do in the penny sit and gos with it.

Actually, guys like you never admit to the LOLtastic judgment errors you make when you buy junk like that, so guess we will never hear about it.


All the best.


P.S. Love the one hour money back guarantee that has to be approved by the seller or else it is void, and that also requires sending them $50 to do it! I actually kind of admire the arrogance of people who scam that so openly go for that second bite from the same stupid, greedy victim. They will love you.

I addressed this issue explaining a very plausible reason why, and instead of listening to me when I was being completely honest and trying to help, you chose to ignore me and believe and post more Jack And The Beanstalk stories.

Im not sure what you expect to find in this forum as its clear you arent looking for any answers that even remotely resemble the truth.