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06-27-2009 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by K13
I'm having a ****ty month and running bad but still at 9 roi % for June which ****en sucks.
How much you expect to win monkey ? 9% isnt good enough for you ? Players like boku87 has 8%, and you are wining about this **** ? Get a life douchebag and go post somewhere else. My ROI is 14% on stars and -1% on full tilt, 12% on ipoker, and 9% on ongame. Full tilt is rigged.
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06-27-2009 , 05:57 PM
When I was 16 my first job was at an amusement park in Kansas City called World's of Fun. For about half the summer I worked in Skee-Ball Hall, which had skee-ball machines and a bunch of the typical carnival arcade-type games, where you could win tickets and cash them in for crappy prizes.

One of the games was a (up to) 4-person drag race game which went up an incline. You had a shifter at the bottom, which supposedly would get your car up faster than the others if you shifted perfectly. We used to get behind the game enclosure, pick out someone we wanted to win (like a cute girl), or someone we wanted to lose who was annoying us, and either shoot their car up the top like 5x faster than the others, or hold it back if we didn't like them.

It was pretty funny to hear the people freak out and wonder what the cute girl did to put her car in super-turbo mode. Some guys would stay there for a while trying to recapture that magic. We did the same thing with the horse races, where you shoot water guns that them, but not as much.

Those guys at the amusement park had absolutely no way of knowing what we were doing. But they definitely felt like something wasn't right. I'm sure all their friends told them they were just being crazy though.




I'm starting to think someone at PS is reading this thread and just ****ing with me. 10 days in a row now I can't win a goddam thing. I know I'm crazy, but I don't think many of you are really prepared to deal with 2 or 500+ SNG runs like this in a short time frame. I think I've had maybe 5-7 winning sets in my last 100.

But the truth is right now I'm getting coolered preflop, shorties keep doubling up on the bubble, every time I shove on the bubble I get snapcalled by A4o and it holds, etc. Basically everything that could possibly go wrong does, in addition to losing tons of pair over pair and ace-dominateds and winning almost none when I'm dominated. I think I've won like one of my last 50 40/60s on the bubble, itm, HU. So if they were rigging every aspect of the game like that, the system would be a lot more complicated and seems impossible. So it's just God I guess.
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06-27-2009 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
When I was 16 my first job was at an amusement park in Kansas City called World's of Fun. For about half the summer I worked in Skee-Ball Hall, which had skee-ball machines and a bunch of the typical carnival arcade-type games, where you could win tickets and cash them in for crappy prizes.

One of the games was a (up to) 4-person drag race game which went up an incline. You had a shifter at the bottom, which supposedly would get your car up faster than the others if you shifted perfectly. We used to get behind the game enclosure, pick out someone we wanted to win (like a cute girl), or someone we wanted to lose who was annoying us, and either shoot their car up the top like 5x faster than the others, or hold it back if we didn't like them.

It was pretty funny to hear the people freak out and wonder what the cute girl did to put her car in super-turbo mode. Some guys would stay there for a while trying to recapture that magic. We did the same thing with the horse races, where you shoot water guns that them, but not as much.

Those guys at the amusement park had absolutely no way of knowing what we were doing. But they definitely felt like something wasn't right. I'm sure all their friends told them they were just being crazy though.

Ahhh, so now it all begins to make sense.

You are suffering from what is known as 'payback' (which is generally agreed to be a bitch).

You see, the Competition Gods are a pretty straight laced bunch not known for their senses of humour.
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06-27-2009 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
How much you expect to win monkey ? 9% isnt good enough for you ? Players like boku87 has 8%, and you are wining about this **** ? Get a life douchebag and go post somewhere else. My ROI is 14% on stars and -1% on full tilt, 12% on ipoker, and 9% on ongame. Full tilt is rigged.
I thought 20% was avg. for good players.
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06-27-2009 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by K13
I thought 20% was avg. for good players.
20% = GODLIKE. Avg is 6%, If i play 25 tables of 45 seater i expect to cash in 8 or less, and i make money. Thats on stars, on full tilt they allow me 12 tabling only, and i cant win a ****. Only games that i have possitive ROI is 5$ 9 seaters (20%). I have played alot 25c sngs on stars ... Around 400 and my ROI on those is around 60%. Sad i am banned on stars.
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06-27-2009 , 08:26 PM
Average winrates are always negative when there's a rake.
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06-27-2009 , 08:28 PM
I think with that last post PS finally realized I was on to them. Just had a super boom set after the usual 5-6 sets of pure hell to start. And with that ... drumroll ... I am now up $80 on the day. Wooooh. Time to quit forever and go get drunk.

Crap now I've probably pissed them off again.
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06-27-2009 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
20% = GODLIKE. Avg is 6%, If i play 25 tables of 45 seater i expect to cash in 8 or less, and i make money. Thats on stars, on full tilt they allow me 12 tabling only, and i cant win a ****. Only games that i have possitive ROI is 5$ 9 seaters (20%). I have played alot 25c sngs on stars ... Around 400 and my ROI on those is around 60%. Sad i am banned on stars.
I'm at 22% playing the 45's.
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06-27-2009 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by K13
I'm at 22% playing the 45's.
Hi K13,

I see you still haven't confessed that you false claims about the frequency of aces coming on the flop were, in fact, false.

Why is that?
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06-28-2009 , 12:59 AM
Bodog is almost certainly rigged.
Same with FTP.
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06-28-2009 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BucketFoot
Bodog is almost certainly rigged.
Same with FTP.
Thanks for letting us know.
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06-28-2009 , 02:27 AM
yep that's all the proof I need, lol
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06-28-2009 , 06:08 AM
I have got to the point where i can no longer play online poker as it is so far from math probability. Live at casinos i win money at poker iv not had i losing year since the 2 years iv played.

Online the math dose not work example heads up from the start.
kk, qq 77, 33 ak first 5 hands kk won rest lost. this happens way to often, Is there no site that follows MATH PROBABILITY.
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06-28-2009 , 06:14 AM
lol
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06-28-2009 , 06:24 AM
I TAKE IT YOU AGREE WITH THE HUGE VARIANCE FROM MATH
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06-28-2009 , 06:29 AM
Graph please
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06-28-2009 , 06:32 AM
Graph of what online poker defies math probability on every site i have played heads up is above 50/50 to hit hit a pair upwards on the flop yet this figure is smashed to 70/30
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06-28-2009 , 06:38 AM
Wait until you've played 10 hands. By then the variance ("karma") will have averaged out and you'll be winning everything you deserve to.

Otherwise, move up in levels to where people respect your raises and the software doesn't get so kooky.
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06-28-2009 , 07:01 AM
IN BEFORE MERGE U GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND TEH MATHS ITS RIGGED I PROOFED IT
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06-28-2009 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
When I was 16 my first job was at an amusement park in Kansas City called World's of Fun. For about half the summer I worked in Skee-Ball Hall, which had skee-ball machines and a bunch of the typical carnival arcade-type games, where you could win tickets and cash them in for crappy prizes.

One of the games was a (up to) 4-person drag race game which went up an incline. You had a shifter at the bottom, which supposedly would get your car up faster than the others if you shifted perfectly. We used to get behind the game enclosure, pick out someone we wanted to win (like a cute girl), or someone we wanted to lose who was annoying us, and either shoot their car up the top like 5x faster than the others, or hold it back if we didn't like them.

It was pretty funny to hear the people freak out and wonder what the cute girl did to put her car in super-turbo mode. Some guys would stay there for a while trying to recapture that magic. We did the same thing with the horse races, where you shoot water guns that them, but not as much.

Those guys at the amusement park had absolutely no way of knowing what we were doing. But they definitely felt like something wasn't right. I'm sure all their friends told them they were just being crazy though.
Indeed they probably were told they were crazy - because they cared that deeply about a water gun game at an amusement park.

But using your comparison, I am sure you and the other horny guys told all sorts of people about your entertaining adventures at the time. You probably even told some cute girls you helped win after the fact. That is what people do who are in on something eventually, so why have we not heard the same stories from all of the people in on it while rigging online poker?





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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I'm starting to think someone at PS is reading this thread and just ****ing with me. 10 days in a row now I can't win a goddam thing. I know I'm crazy, but I don't think many of you are really prepared to deal with 2 or 500+ SNG runs like this in a short time frame. I think I've had maybe 5-7 winning sets in my last 100.
See, now you are making a choice and sticking with it. You are embracing the paranoid , rationalized thinking process of a true riggedologist. I know you are just in the experimental phase, and in your mind you are kind of leveling, but it is good to see that we have a potential hard core long term player joining their ranks, as that should make this thread better in terms of entertainment. You can read many of their recent posts to see who your new supporting friends will be. Enjoy the emotional support that provides, it appears you can use some.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
But the truth is right now I'm getting coolered preflop, shorties keep doubling up on the bubble, every time I shove on the bubble I get snapcalled by A4o and it holds, etc. Basically everything that could possibly go wrong does, in addition to losing tons of pair over pair and ace-dominateds and winning almost none when I'm dominated. I think I've won like one of my last 50 40/60s on the bubble, itm, HU. So if they were rigging every aspect of the game like that, the system would be a lot more complicated and seems impossible. So it's just God I guess.
Stop playing the game of making fun of riggedologist ways while semi-embracing them to whine about your bad beats. Enough fence sitting. You do not have any more money really, so why not just go full blast into riggedology and embrace their commandments.

Commandment 1: Thou shalt ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thou shalt state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thou shalt hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thou shalt assume

Commandment 5: Thou shalt have no time to test thy theories

Commandment 6: Thou shalt support they brethren unconditionally

Commandment 7: Thou shalt believe anything is possible with software


Your other choice of course is to post your issues in an actual forum that fits (say the psychology one) and get some informed replies that will help you get a handle of the real emotional issues that have caused you to become a losing player, and from that help turn around the mess you have helped create for yourself.


All the best.
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06-28-2009 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by onlinejoke
I have got to the point where i can no longer play online poker as it is so far from math probability. Live at casinos i win money at poker iv not had i losing year since the 2 years iv played.

Online the math dose not work example heads up from the start.
kk, qq 77, 33 ak first 5 hands kk won rest lost.this happens way to often, Is there no site that follows MATH PROBABILITY.
scientific term obv
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06-28-2009 , 10:04 AM
In after merge.
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06-28-2009 , 11:12 AM
I hate ****en PS. 95% + on the flop and keep losing it like its a ****en coin flip.

Never thought I'd be more happier playing on a ****ty site like AP.
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06-28-2009 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by K13
I hate ****en PS. 95% + on the flop and keep losing it like its a ****en coin flip.

Never thought I'd be more happier playing on a ****ty site like AP.
Dude, seriously. Stop. If you're going to selectively ignore when people call you out on your bs, at the very least spare us your whining. Contribute to the thread and interact when people talk to you or gtfo.
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06-28-2009 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Hi K13,

I see you still haven't confessed that you false claims about the frequency of aces coming on the flop were, in fact, false.

Why is that?
Well show me the proof on how often Aces hit the board because i don't see it.

Does PT3 have a function for this?
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