Loooool - Mike, you really got to him! didn't you? He's gone back to the old "sheep line"! Next he'll be calling everyone a shill or site promoter! You must have really hit close to home! wow! keep up the good work. You know you have them on the ropes when they respond to you!

Had a feeling youd like that fact. Got to admit, its a key element that keeps crooks flourishing in legit and so-called legit businesses.

If for no other reason, spadebidder's hands were from more than one site. Either both sites were running the exact same insanely complex rig, or they were both random.

Occam's razor 'n ****.

Arouet, understandably youre a little off defending an internet gaming scam that you dont even participate in (unless you have a financial interest), but you seem to have completely lost it with your last couple of posts. I cant figure them out, do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Well, since we know theres nothing random about OLP sites, are you finally admitting the obvious?

Why so?

And why are those the only two options?

Why are you here otatop? You are alawyas here, but it doesnt seem worthwhile for you.

I guess you're right, somehow they're both running different rigs, but when you combine the hands all together it's 100% undetectable, that makes perfect sense. It amuses me. I'm far from "always" here, you silly person.

In hand distribution? Sure. That wasnt what I asked though.

I would like you to elaborate on this.

Frequently in and out for more than a year. You are in this thread a lot. But I understand its embarrasing to admit since all you actually do is pick on the riggies. And you never get tired of doing that, do you?

Never mind that this imaginary process makes no sense from a busness perspective.
Can you show me evidence that good players are losing money year on year to brand new players?
Because, you know, every winning player that I know has a graph that generally goes upwards. There is no doomswitch. Winning players don't get caught in a "rebuy cycle". Winning players don't deposit, they cash out. BAD PLAYERS (like you) are responsible for DEPOSITs.

I've been looking for a forum about how to easily detect good players from bad, Glad I finally found it!

Do explain. OK, then what are some other explanations for finding no signs of, for lack of a better term, "non-randomness" when using samples from more than one site. You want me to elaborate on what, posting on a forum? I do it to kill time, surprise! It's not embarrassing at all to admit all I do is pick on riggies, I've openly said it numerous times. I still try and politely discuss things with them when they first show up, but once they show they're a stubborn idiot (like yourself), I just resort to mockery. It's more fun that repeatedly trying to explain simple things to brick walls.

You morons really aren't good at spotting things out in the open, are you? You see secret, elaborate rigs, but act shocked and amazed at things that are common knowledge, like the goofball who tried to figure out Monteroy's screen names on poker sites.

I agree that a properly run, non-shady company has the ability to operate profitably and can make changes to their models to become more profitable in ways that have nothing to do with rigging. But where are these companies in online poker? We have an industry in which the 3 major players are all caught up in a major corruption issues. This is not a case of a few bad apples spoiling the others, the entire bushel is rotten. What percentage of the online poker business did these companies represent? 90%? 95%? Iff Harrahs corp and MGM group were suddenly accused of cheating, would you be arguing that the land based casinos in Vegas can be trusted....what's left? 4-5 other casinos?


PS is the only site that I know of that does not have reported issues of executives directly stealing from the players...so where these companies could have increased profits by changing their model instead they superuse and steal players accounts after changing the terms of service about keeping segregated accounts.

It is these people who do not deserve the benefit of the doubt that they are not cheating through rigging, at least not when I have the choice to do business with them or not. Giving these companies my money is like agreeing to have Michael Jackson babysit my kids. Some one is going to get ****ed....

Whether it is the easiest or best practice or detectable can all be debated, but theft by rigging is, in my opinion, the best method of shearing but not skinning the sheep out of more money. Its would probably also be the slowest, least efficient and unreliable method of stealing from the players. And while each hand is recorded and preserved, no one has convinced me that this volume of information and analysis of hh's is anything but he least efficient and unreliable methodology to attempt to uncover such deception by a shady operator.

I don't think there is consenus that hand dis. analysis indicates a non-rigged game nor do I think Spadebidder's comment about it is like trying to "prove pink unicorns don't exist" or whatever the stupid interpretation is accurate. I think Spade admits to the limitations of his analysis...

on the other hand, how the riggies simply discount his analysis without providing any statistical analysis, other than their own memory or hh selections is unconvincing. Spade's work showiing that the AR approach the ER is the most compelling statistical evidence completed on this issue and his conclusions based upon that evidence warrant more consideration than they are given by the riggie side....

Um, none, since we don't give out infractions for some kind of imaginary rule you dreamt up.

LOL @ not being able to understand that a warning that expires in 1 month was an obvious joke in reply to your silly post quoted above. But I guess it was too much to expect you to see the irony when you asked if I got an infraction for back-to-back posts, and then you immediately made back-to-back posts yourself.

I guess that's the difference between our thinking then. Most scandals relating to on line poker or any other industry are "snatches", they may start small but, as often highlighted, scummy thieves are greedy and getting it slowly is just not how they work. I have a huge amount of distrust of the on line gaming industry because I expect there to be shady operators, but I also suspect, from what I have read, that rigging would be detected very quickly, whilst waking up one morning and finding that your account balance has disappeared would be far more likely.

That's why I never deposited on FT or Pokerstars before black Friday (despite ribbing in this very thread) and have only started to play on PS after they were kicked out the US market and quickly dealt with the whole player account issue. Prior (and still) I play the majority of my games, (not huge volume as I am only a recreational Player), on sites that have more to lose in business terms than their poker income, I.e. land based betting shops with an on line operation. Generally these all have more oversight as they a public listed operations and cannot afford the scandals (unless they are a bank, then anything seems to go but that's a different rant).

Anyway, have to agree to disagree on the rigging but 100% agree with the sceptical approach to the industry in general.

P.S. You are costing BR money debating in a reasonable manner, don't you know he's paid to scare guys like you from posting!

There is always the possibility that only limit poker is rigged because new people to poker usually start out in limit. There is always the possibility the sites aren't dumb enough to put everyone on the doomswitch but let's say 80%. Also why not just put good players over a certain age on the doomswitch. That way there would be some good players who aren't affected until they reach a certain age. There are endless ways to rig to always have some good players who aren't being rigged to create doubt. Personally (after playing many years at brick and mortar games) I have no doubt I was victim of the doomswitch (playing limit stakes) after cashing out. I'm not sure of no limit games and tournaments (although the very first poster in this thread complained of a great amount of bad beats to him 2 to 3 hours into tournaments) but at limit there is no doubt for me.

I didn't understand how you were coming to several of the conclusions you've come to in this thread until this post! Now i know beyond any doubt that you're actually just a comedian and it's all one big level. You should join the comedy club or something but whatever happens dont waste that comedy talent that you've got!

Laugh all you want but I have a feeling you won't be laughing when you play long enough and you look at your wins and losses. That's even if you are a regular player.

Been laughing for 6 years. Been a regular winner for 6 years and win more and more year on year exponentially. I'm worried they might doomswitch me when i hit 35 tho now.

[ ] Understands the meaning of 'exponentially'.

Ya know what i meant!

I don't. Given that what you said is extremely unlikely and that it is also extremely unlikely that your winnings have been growing for 6 years (unless you've been playing more and more), what you meant is a mystery. I would also not be surprised if was a lie.

Its not even remotely 'extremely unlikely'. Considering i made meagre amounts for the first 2 years and then grinded DoNs for over a year after that it's quite simple. Experience is the most important poker asset you can have so it is, in fact, highly likely that a person can win more each year. Nowadays I have everything I want except a yacht and a baller mansion. Do you?

Check me out yourself. My sn is HAHAHAHAHAHAH and i play on Party. You will want to check sharkscope and ptr and you will also like to take note that thats all earnt in just over a month as i generally change my sn every month. If you want all my other sn's just shoot me a pm. Or you can jsut shut the *** up and stop calling me a liar.

If we take out the word exponentially and replace it with quickly or even tremendously, why is it so hard to believe, particularly if we don't know what stakes someone started at? My winnings certainly have not grown exponentially over the last three years but they have grown reasonably. As one gets better and moves up in stakes and adds hours, I would think that a six-year growth period is more than possible.