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Old 06-26-2009, 02:33 PM   #5451
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It's just funny laughing at all these suckers sticking up for online poker. You have no proof that it is a legit operation yet you defend it to the death, it's hilarious. QPW, my friend, you are the definition of a sucker.
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p.s. keep grinding out those micro-stakes and soon you should be able to move up levels and blah blah blah maybe be rich in 10 years. wouldn't that be nice????? sucker.
Your level of your erudition, perspicacity and intellectual prowess leave me almost speechless.

It should be noted by R4R's many, many, admirers that from a very young age it was his ambition to be the greatest wit in the world.

And he is 50% of the way there already.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:36 PM   #5452
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That's a commonly misunderstood topic on 2+2. Sample size is already incorporated into any proper analysis of data.

If I said, "FullPartyPoker is rigged! I just opened an account there last night and played 95 hands and I can tell you there is no way that's a fair site!!! It's either rigged against me or full of bugs!"

You (and everybody else reading it) would instantly say (or think), "LOLsamplesizeaments."
Seems this is an obvious case of an inadequate sample size. Not sure what your point is, but in this scenario that is why people suggest they need more data.

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If I then replied, "Every single hand I got was 32," and I somehow proved it, you might ask me why the hell I kept playing after 4 or 5 hands, but you wouldn't be thinking that my sample size was too small any more. You'd be thinking that my sample size of 95 hands was so astronomically gigantic that it constituted irrefutable proof something was wrong with FullPartyPoker.
Similarly if every day you were walking on a deserted path and flowers covered in skunk juice singing the theme song from "Ghostbusters" randomly landed on your head from nowhere and you somehow proved it, I would say "wow, look at what you actually proved!"

Problem is "somehow I proved it" is not the same as , you know, actually proving something.

So yes, if you somehow proved you could shoot lethal lightning bolts from your ass, I would not need a huge sample size to confirm it.

Thus, if your point is "if I somehow prove something impossible can happen, will you then believe me?" Umm, sure ok. Of course that has nothing to do with actual statistical analysis in the real world sense.

Again, if it is some theoretical discussion you seek, do so in the appropriate forum. The other gambling area even has a ton of threads on whether roulette systems can work with in theory infinite bankrolls. That seems to be the type of discussion you want.



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Okay, I think I'm gonna give up. It's clear we're not getting past this, and I don't spend enough time here to make it worth the effort.
Would it help if somehow we proved you made your point in an effective manner in the correct forum?
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:15 PM   #5453
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It's just funny laughing at all these suckers sticking up for online poker. You have no proof that it is a legit operation yet you defend it to the death, it's hilarious. QPW, my friend, you are the definition of a sucker.
Still beating your wife?
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:32 PM   #5454
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Are you playing limit? Because in nolimit, that's what: a buyin and a half? No biggee. I understand in limit that 100BB losses mean more though, but still doesn't seem extreme.
Yes, I play limit. A one day loss of 150 BB is extreme. Think about it...the average $5/10 player sits with $200. 150 BB's is $1,500. To lose $1,500 in a day is just crazyness for a $5/10 player, especially when your biggest loss in recent history has only been around $700.

So I understand why people think OLP poker is rigged. I don't have enough data yet, but if I did, I could graph out all of my losses against this one, then see the statistical significance of this one. Given that, I could calculate the probability of having a loss this significant happening just hours after I cashout.

Again, this isn't anything scientific, it's just me blowing off some steam.
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:39 PM   #5455
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I cashed out $5K a few weeks ago and shortly won $2.5K afterwards.

Oh wait.

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Old 06-26-2009, 03:51 PM   #5456
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I just may be an unlucky player...(read as)...a player going through a trough of low variance...(which hopefully means)...that in my future years I will be a lucky player...? lol

Speculation, FTW
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:56 PM   #5457
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I cashed out $5K a few weeks ago and shortly won $2.5K afterwards.

Oh wait.

See, that would have been $4,000+ had you not so rashly chosen to cash out.
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:56 PM   #5458
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I just may be an unlucky player...(read as)...a player going through a trough of low variance...(which hopefully means)...that in my future years I will be a lucky player...? lol

Speculation, FTW
Did you mean 'high varience'?
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:58 PM   #5459
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^^I didn't know how to word it. I guess "a trough of unfavorable variAnce".
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Still beating your wife?
I thought he'd stopped that, now.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:16 PM   #5461
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I thought he'd stopped that, now.
I have yet to see any evidence that suggests he has stopped beating his wife. I will hold the opinion that he does beat his wife until he provides sufficient evidence proving otherwise.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:21 PM   #5462
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I have yet to see any evidence that suggests he has stopped beating his wife. I will hold the opinion that he does beat his wife until he provides sufficient evidence proving otherwise.
I am like online poker. You'll just have to believe me. I'll get my friend from bermuda to vouch for me, though
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:31 PM   #5463
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How long do you think the AA streak will last? lol

I'm sure its jinxed now.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:33 PM   #5464
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Winning = rigged
Losing = rigged

In before breakeven stretch = rigged
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:52 PM   #5465
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How long do you think the AA streak will last? lol

I'm sure its jinxed now.
WTSD = 76%. So you have a streak of 33 holding up at showdown. You could have had 72o the times you didn't go to showdown and still won, so they don't really count.

Still impressive, don't get me wrong.
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WTSD = 76%. So you have a streak of 33 holding up at showdown. You could have had 72o the times you didn't go to showdown and still won, so they don't really count.

Still impressive, don't get me wrong.
There's the difference of card removal.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:30 PM   #5467
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Imagine you just had one of the worst months you've ever had in 4 years of SNGs in May. You had a 25 non-winning set streak, and 6 losing weekends in a row - both completely unprecedented. THEN this fun little run of days happens. Every time I sit down, I have a hell set. Then another. Then another. Then another. I keep telling myself it will stop sometime. But it just never does.

All the while the games are their typical summer soft, ppl are doing insanely dumb stuff, AND I am dropping down as far as the $16s because I am running so bad and almost busto. Please someone tell me how I'm not supposed to start losing my mind, or have thoughts creep in that something funky MUST be going on?

But hey, there's always hope. That little uptick on the last day is my winning set of 4 $6.50s with the last of my BR. Of course I still lost like 7 or 8 huge dominating hands. But then I won a bunch of times I was dominated. NOT RIGGED THOUGH.

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Old 06-26-2009, 08:34 PM   #5468
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Like other people have said, take a vacation.

What's your bankroll at?
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:01 PM   #5469
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You can't really not know about Pentagon hacks. There are a slew of them.

8. DOJ charges teen with Pentagon hacking - CNET News
A Wisconsin teenager is arrested and charged for allegedly hacking into a Pentagon computer in June and illegally accessing a U.S. Army computer. ... Latest tech news headlines
http://news.cnet.com/DOJ-charges-tee...tagon-hacking/...

1. Alien fan faces life sentence for hacking into Pentagon | NowPublic
so shortly after 9/11, he hacked into 97 computer systems belonging to the Pentagon, NASA, and the US military. For his efforts, the 42-year old Brit is now facing sixty years in US prison.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/alien...-life-sentence...

2. China denies hacking the Pentagon | World news | guardian.co.uk
In May, the small Baltic country of Estonia was subjected to a three-week wave of hacking that disabled websites of government ministries, ... The Pentagon. Photograph: Angela Stafford/US ... More news
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/04/china.usa

18. FOXNews.com - Pentagon Cyber Attack Forces 1,500 PCs Off Line -
Gates said the Pentagon sees hundreds of attacks a day, and this one had no adverse impact on department operations. ... Breaking News GM, ... Computer Hacking Plagues Department of Homeland Security
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285932,00.html
hmmm... nice repeat....any believers out there?
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:13 PM   #5470
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Enron was an energy company. Therefore the integrity of the energy industry is shot? Your logic is horrible.
integrity in the energy industry?? you are actually using this as an argument?
Man that is supremely ironic.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:44 PM   #5471
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Like other people have said, take a vacation.

What's your bankroll at?
$44.63

I did. I went to Yosemite. Came back to all the check problems and a bounced check from PS. Won $1200 on a Tuesday night. Thought at least my luck with the cards has turned. The garphs above are everything since. Obviously it's going to be time to get a job or cash out some of my 401k soon. I do have a $1k check on the way, but I'm afraid that's going to have to go right back into PS.
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With $44.63 you should be playing no higher than $1 SnGs (might be wrong on that), $0.01/$0.02 NLHE cash games, or $0.05/$0.10 LHE cash games.
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Lol, I can also go move to Liberia and live on that expected $1/hr.

Point is obviously I need to rebuild fast or go busto and grab some money from somewhere. I have money I can put on PS, and a $1k check on the way. I'm just trying to avoid the hassle and using money I had planned for other things. Also I figure it's not so bad to try to work out the demons at such low BI. Not working of course. Ran about 50% below expectation again that last set. Same old broken record. I need to check my profitability on JJ-KK and AK. I bet it's negative the last two months.
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Old 06-26-2009, 11:13 PM   #5474
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Lol, I can also go move to Liberia and live on that expected $1/hr.

Point is obviously I need to rebuild fast or go busto and grab some money from somewhere. I have money I can put on PS, and a $1k check on the way. I'm just trying to avoid the hassle and using money I had planned for other things. Also I figure it's not so bad to try to work out the demons at such low BI. Not working of course. Ran about 50% below expectation again that last set. Same old broken record. I need to check my profitability on JJ-KK and AK. I bet it's negative the last two months.
You probably were unlucky, but a lot likely had to do with you playing way way way below your A game as well. Your bankroll management could not have been perfect for this to happen either.

Your posts pretty much read like a degen gambler on the final stage of the death spiral where you take morbid joy in the losses after a while.

You will not get any genuine empathy or sympathy in this because your opponents want you to lose, and the rest of us do not overly care. If you really want a hug then become a full blown riggedologist and post what you like adding "Stars is rigged" and you will have unconditional support by many in this thread. That may give some bizarre emotional support, but it will not deal with your actual issues.

If you continue to play, consider handling downturns differently. Play fewer tables. Try non turbos. Try DoNs. Try a different game. You may find your mojo back so to speak by mixing it up.

You recent posts here read like a blog of someone on the direct path to busto, and rigging had nothing to do with it. If you blame other things like rigging and luck for the entire downswing you will never change what you need to be a winning player again.

You really think all the genuine riggedologists in this thread quit because the sites are actually rigged against them? If that's the path you want to take, go for it, no one will really care. If you choose a more sane path to use this to accept your responsibility in your downswing, work on your game and improve, then congrats in advance.
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Old 06-27-2009, 02:16 AM   #5475
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I agree with all of that. But just let me say this. In 50-60k sngs, I thought I had seen as bad as it could get. This is much worse than any run I've ever had, and I had what I thought was the grandaddy of all bad runs a couple years ago.

Every time I right my ship, clear my head, come back with a fresh attitude, play less tables, drop down, etc. - I lose 9 out of my first 10 ace dominateds, lose to every draw, sets on the river, etc. Then in the heat of the moment, I make one -1% mistake like shoving KQ over a limp-tard who snapcalls with 33, and lose that of course. So that's as bad as I'm playing right now. One 1% mistake. Although I fully admit there were times in this run I've played worse than that - like when I was playing 12 tables.

But I'm still running so far below expectation it's unbelievable, and it's always the worst right when I rededicate myself to playing right. It's just unbelievable.
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