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06-27-2012 , 11:49 AM
It takes an enormous amount of processor power to rig the deal so that it is only detectable by 2+2 rigtards. (And not by people who understand probability and statistics inside out and have access to enormous computing power.)

So please make some allowances for any small pauses whilst it works.
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06-27-2012 , 01:17 PM
Pokerstars mods are often bored, so if you experience lag it's them manually pausing the game to hand out a bad beat or two. Sometimes they'll get real creative and actually replace one of your hole cards. Sure tilts me when they replace an A with a measly 4!

Last edited by FlopBetsYou; 06-27-2012 at 01:28 PM.
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06-27-2012 , 01:30 PM
^ lol made me laugh
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06-27-2012 , 03:04 PM
some sites are obvious scams, some are for real

i made decent bank on pstars, while on tilt i was smacked with 1-3 outers nearly every time i got it in, so i cashed out. a year later they were discovered to be a ponzi scheme

i play on carbon every once and a while, every time i get deep in a tourney with a big stack i get 1-4 outed by the one guy that can take me out after flopping a set, every time, without fail. Variance is supposed to vary, not stay the same. 90+ percent is supposed to be 90+ percent, not 5-10.

i dont want these sites to go away though. i play weekly at foxwoods and the guys who sit at cash tables who have most of their experience online are outrageous atms, calling huge raises pre with trash regularly
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06-27-2012 , 03:25 PM
So, on pstars, in fields outrageously larger with competition much tougher, i cashed at a decent rate. On merge? Never, and i exit every tourney every time in the exact same manner.
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06-27-2012 , 03:49 PM
Stars is nowhere near tougher than Merge is. All the US facing sites are stupidly difficult now, because US fish aren't going to jump through hoops to play there, so most of the player pool is former PS and FTP regs.
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06-27-2012 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
no otatop, they HAVENT. From moorman to dwan, by their own admissions, have NOT been as successful live.
Still stand by durrrr being a bad live player, btw?
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06-27-2012 , 03:56 PM
Flop set of Qs......runner runner flush
Fset of sevens......runner runner straight
Flop set of 10s........JJ rivers a one outer (a short stack was AI with J9)
and on....and on....

whenever i try chat with these "players" they have no comment, except twice out of about 30 times. the situation is almost always the same, i have a big stack and one of like 5 players who can take me out either runners or hits a 1-4 outer.

Merge is an absolute joke.
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06-27-2012 , 03:57 PM
yes i do, btw. his BR management is garbage and he frequently loses enormous amounts, has frequently needed loans.
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06-27-2012 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
Confirmed that zxrider is legit.....sent him info on a 25 dollar gift card and got the money on lock within 10 minutes

thanks zx!!!
You know Lock's not even a Merge skin anymore, right?
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06-27-2012 , 03:59 PM
i get it otatop, it isnt rigged until theyre caught red handed, i get it.

this is the one area where stats dont matter to you. i get it, i get it.
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06-27-2012 , 03:59 PM
i know about lock, im actually talking about carbon, as stated in my post
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06-27-2012 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
this is the one area where stats dont matter to you. i get it, i get it.
"Waaaaaaah, I lost with a set" isn't stats.
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06-27-2012 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
some sites are obvious scams, some are for real

i made decent bank on pstars, while on tilt i was smacked with 1-3 outers nearly every time i got it in, so i cashed out. a year later they were discovered to be a ponzi scheme
This is really dificult. Do I believe you that Stars is 'for real' or do I believe one of the other clowns that says it is Stars that is the obvious scam?

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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
this is the one area where stats dont matter to you. i get it, i get it.
Would these be the stats that you just made up or do you have something more interesting to tell us?
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06-27-2012 , 04:17 PM
lol otatop, youre funny.

i read this sites posts often , but only once and a while do i post. i think its responsible to advise players to expect to be ripped off by the sites that remain for us players. they should go into playing at these sites looking to make "fun", not money.
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06-27-2012 , 04:19 PM
playing live poker every weekend, its morally responsible to advise these people to not expect the same deal you would get live.
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06-27-2012 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
Flop set of Qs......runner runner flush
Fset of sevens......runner runner straight
Flop set of 10s........JJ rivers a one outer (a short stack was AI with J9)
and on....and on....

whenever i try chat with these "players" they have no comment, except twice out of about 30 times. the situation is almost always the same, i have a big stack and one of like 5 players who can take me out either runners or hits a 1-4 outer.

Merge is an absolute joke.
How often does it happen? How often should it happen? How are you determining how often it should happen vs. how often it does happen. Is your sample size big enough? If not what does that tell you about drawing conclusions? Have you taken steps to figure out how many standard deviations you are off from expectation? Do you think that's important in figuring out whether there is something fishy going on?
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06-27-2012 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
playing live poker every weekend, its morally responsible to advise these people to not expect the same deal you would get live.
I wish I had the moral fortitude to lie on the internet. Thank you for your integrity.
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06-27-2012 , 04:54 PM
eyes0fblue's greatest hits from 2 years ago when he first graced us with his knowledge
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Its ego thats really the problem here. Most of these guys cant stand being told being great at online poker doesnt mean youre an all around pro. Some of these guys are swearing that an online pro is better than a live one.

What a joke.

Like i said, a bunch of moderately successful online players running around screaming "we're pros, we're pros".

Once again, thats NOT a deck of cards youre being dealt. That IS a program designed for a poker site, designed to make them money. None of these businesses started to give you a authentic poker experience, they did it to make money.

Its NOT the same as live poker no matter how many things you say to try to make it seem so. Its different. Period. If you read my original post, youll see that i said that winning at online poker does take some skill.

Funny that i play at Foxwoods 4-5 days a week and watch online "pros" get killed live. Most of these guys are a joke, impatient and unable to control their tells. These guys often play as if theyre expecting the bad beat fest you see online, and look suprised when its not that way.

You guys are fascinating. Its like a Madden video game pro believing he can hack it in the real nfl. Good luck. From what ive seen of you jokers in live poker, youll really need it
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lol another online guy screaming "we're pros, we're pros" lol

most live casinos DO NOT charge precentages based on pot size

false
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online players cant hold a candle to live ones

period

stats prove that there

real awesome behind a computer screen. the live pros get them and boom, FAIL
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06-27-2012 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
i play on carbon every once and a while, every time i get deep in a tourney with a big stack i get 1-4 outed by the one guy that can take me out after flopping a set, every time, without fail. Variance is supposed to vary, not stay the same. 90+ percent is supposed to be 90+ percent, not 5-10.
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So, on pstars, in fields outrageously larger with competition much tougher, i cashed at a decent rate. On merge? Never, and i exit every tourney every time in the exact same manner.
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Originally Posted by eyes0fblue
Flop set of Qs......runner runner flush
Fset of sevens......runner runner straight
Flop set of 10s........JJ rivers a one outer (a short stack was AI with J9)
and on....and on....

whenever i try chat with these "players" they have no comment, except twice out of about 30 times. the situation is almost always the same, i have a big stack and one of like 5 players who can take me out either runners or hits a 1-4 outer.
This could be the breakthrough we've been waiting for.

Please post your stats.
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06-27-2012 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Please post your stats.
You must be new here.
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06-27-2012 , 05:13 PM
But, but, he said, "every time i get deep in a tourney with a big stack i get 1-4 outed by the one guy that can take me out after flopping a set, every time, without fail."

He couldn't say stuff like that without having the hard evidence to back it up. What would be the point?
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06-27-2012 , 05:26 PM
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What would be the point?
I ask myself that question every time I misclick and open this thread...
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06-27-2012 , 05:35 PM
I think it's very possible that the program is rigged to make action. Obviously not rigged for this player or that player.
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06-27-2012 , 05:44 PM
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I think it's very possible that the program is rigged to make action. Obviously not rigged for this player or that player.
That's a new line we could explore.

How would they do that, and still manage to fool the statisticians?
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