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Old 06-18-2009, 06:35 PM   #5051
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FIND ALL POSTS by qpw.. very funny
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:35 PM   #5052
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Actually I did answer a couple.

But as is usual with your type of dishonest, dishonourable, arsehole rigtard you simply ignored the response, waited a few days and then posted more of your crap.

Rather that repeat my answers (do a search), I'm going to ask you a couple of questions.

Where are you going with this?

If I answered, for example, Titan Poker, Limit Hold 'Em, 1/2, what would you say about it?

How would it help you and your idiot rigtards theories?
I just don't see how you can play given that your a paid shill.

I want to know what you do to make a living in your life?(I already know)

If you did answer I missed it. I didnt pay much attention to this thread recently so my apologies.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:37 PM   #5053
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FIND ALL POSTS by qpw.. very funny
Yea going round calling everyone rigtards or Real Deal shills(he lost any remining credibilty with that one the fool) and idiots.

He ask like you ve murdered his family if you criticise Online Poker in any way.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:37 PM   #5054
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Just to clarify, I don't think it's 100% certain that all kinds of rigging would show up in a simple giant card distribution.

But I do think with the right database you could detect just about anything. My dream database would be like a billion showdowns where all the money goes in with at least one card left to come (so PF, flop, turn). Each row would be a showdown, and the columns would be something like the following:

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Player 1 cards
Player 2 cards
Player 1 equity
Player 2 equity
Who won the hand
Player 1 location
Player 2 location
Time of day
Day of week
Player 1 # of tables currently playing
Player 2 # of tables currently playing
Player 1 normal average buyin
Player 2 normal average buyin
Player 1 join date
Player 2 join date
Player 1 volume (# of buyins spent) last week, month, 6 months, year
Player 2 volume (# of buyins spent) last week, month, 6 months, year

and certainly some other stuff I haven't thought of yet


I would run a regression analysis of all those fields vs. how close the final equity (who won hand) came to the equity when all the money went in. If any of those fields is weighted to win/lose more than it should, that would show up in the regression analysis. This is the kind of thing that if PS would be required to provide were they say regulated in the US, and someone sued claiming riggedness. I know I used to work for the top statistical consulting firm in the country for handling lawsuits. This is exactly the kind of stuff we dealt with.

Anyone have such a DB they can send me? Also maybe a license to SAS and a Xeon server I could borrow?
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:38 PM   #5055
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Ok well then let me list the reasons against rigging that we've discussed so far:

1) Any rigging would show up in a giant distribution analysis.
As I have said before I don't think we can just make this blanket statement and hold it as gospel w/o any math to back it up. It's possible certain kinds of rigging would leave such a small statistical foot print that it wouldn't show up. Or that tracks could be covered by the same system doing the rigging.

2) The Isle of Man gaming commission has certified PS.
I'm sure they are nice people, but I don't think you can say we should intrinsically trust a body like that, when we know they're counterpart in Canada (the KGC) is a bunch of hoodlums. I read this whole thing: http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/gambling/...rification.pdf . It basically just says they have to prove their RNG is random, nothing about code audits or any kind of 3rd party audit.

3) Poker Stars says they have a static deal that is never manipulated.
Again, probably true. But if you are investigating the possibility someone is pulling a shenanigan, their word is not really a valid point of evidence.

4) Nothing could be gained from such a rigging.
I think you could make a pretty good case that something could be gained by favoring certain players over another.

5) A rigging system would be too complicated and too easy to detect by anyone who worked on the system internally.
This along with the next thing are probably the best arguments.

6) It just wouldn't be worth the effort to set up and the risk of getting caught.
Yeah, almost certainly not.


It's just unsettling to me that the biggest argument against rigging going on is that it just wouldn't be worth it. I would sleep so much better at night if PS were constantly monitored by some big Euro equivalent of the Nevada Gaming Commission.

Point 1 is hard for those of us who are not complete stat freaks to truly grasp, though most of the very simplistic riggedologist theories presented would certainly be easy to catch.

To their credit, most have adapted and go for the "software will just do secret stuff no one can detect" approach now which is certainly harder to disprove given it's magical nature.

Point 2 is sort of meh. Even if the Isle of Man is ineffective this massive rigging conspiracy, if it existed, has to go undetected. I agree point 2 is sort of minor in comparison.

Point 3 seems strange. Does this require Stars to be outright lying about the type of deal they use? That seems really out there that they would do something so easy to catch. Maybe I am missing something here.

Point 4 is completely tied into point 6. One of the biggest flaws of many riggedology beliefs is that they look at potential gain (often times incorrectly determined) while completely ignoring risk. That is not the way it works except for criminals on the tv show COPS.

Point 5 and 6 are the meat of it. Other then by magic (create the software to magically do it with no one knowing or telling) I just do not see how a large, successful company would go about pulling this off in this area, and so far no riggedologist has offered any insight other then shouting Enron and saying that in this world some people commit crime.

Yes, we all know bad people exist, but in this specific industry how do these companies leap past points 5 and 6 even if you ignore or play along with points 1-4 being flexible.

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Just to clarify, I don't think it's 100% certain that all kinds of rigging would show up in a simple giant card distribution.

But I do think with the right database you could detect just about anything. My dream database would be like a billion showdowns where all the money goes in with at least one card left to come (so PF, flop, turn). Each row would be a showdown, and the columns would be something like the following:

Buyin
Player 1 cards
Player 2 cards
Player 1 equity
Player 2 equity
Who won the hand
Player 1 location
Player 2 location
Time of day
Day of week
Player 1 # of tables currently playing
Player 2 # of tables currently playing
Player 1 normal average buyin
Player 2 normal average buyin
Player 1 join date
Player 2 join date
Player 1 volume (# of buyins spent) last week, month, 6 months, year
Player 2 volume (# of buyins spent) last week, month, 6 months, year

and certainly some other stuff I haven't thought of yet


I would run a regression analysis of all those fields vs. how close the final equity (who won hand) came to the equity when all the money went in. If any of those fields is weighted to win/lose more than it should, that would show up in the regression analysis.

Anyone have such a DB they can send me? Also maybe a license to SAS and a Xeon server I could borrow?
If you did all of that and demonstrated that everything seemed normal, you know what would happen next?

Someone would come here, post a single hand, declare it is rigged, and the whole cycle would continue.

Welcome to the thread...
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:41 PM   #5056
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I want to know what you do to make a living in your life?(I already know)
For the third time: why?

Where are you going with this line of enquiry?

If I tell you I'm a road sweeper what are you going to make of that?

Or an airline pilot?

Or a paramedic?

Or a career criminal currently in prison for a 20 stretch?

Really, tell us why you want to know and what you plan to do with the information.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:42 PM   #5057
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i dont believe online poker is rigged. i just have a sac.
no reason for FTP/PS to rig it. they make too much in rake. smaller sites tho, i wouldnt play on

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MP1: $36.00
MP2: $343.10
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SB: $156.40
Hero (BB): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A K
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Turn: ($411.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($411.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

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Cmon Monteroy this is a clear example of sites protecting the fish.

This is an altered deal.

This isnt poker this is a joke.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:43 PM   #5058
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You're the idiot who keeps donating his money to online poker.
Ern, no, actually I made a single deposit.

And a (very large) number of withdrawals.

Unlike yourself who has to keep depositing week in, week out.

Still, chin up!
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:44 PM   #5059
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This is an altered deal.
Ah, so you admit you edited the HH just to support your idiot, rigtard, theories.

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This isnt poker this is a joke.
This isn't poker it's just you acting the cretin as per.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:46 PM   #5060
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For the third time: why?

Where are you going with this line of enquiry?

If I tell you I'm a road sweeper what are you going to make of that?

Or an airline pilot?

Or a paramedic?

Or a career criminal currently in prison for a 20 stretch?

Really, tell us why you want to know and what you plan to do with the information.
I want to hear you lie and because I believe that sites are paying people to sit and defend them in Forums like this.

Also congratulations on formulating a post without the term "rigtard" or "idiot". Give yourself a pat on the back.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:48 PM   #5061
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Ah, so you admit you edited the HH just to support your idiot, rigtard, theories.



This isn't poker it's just you acting the cretin as per.
No I didnt alter the hand wtf are you talking about.

Lots of large withdrawals eh, which site are you on then? Graphs? HHs?
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:49 PM   #5062
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Ern, no, actually I made a single deposit.

And a (very large) number of withdrawals.

Unlike yourself who has to keep depositing week in, week out.

Still, chin up!
Thats probably a lie...Either way, you guys were saying something about the risk and not wanting to get caught cheating their customers...Who's going to catch them? Who's going to discipline them? Who's going to arrest them? IF they did cheat customers?
We saw how the KGC handled it....
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I want to hear you lie
OK, anything to oblige.

I am a shill for on-line poker employed by the Lizard People for their nefarious (look it up) purposes.

Happy?
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:51 PM   #5064
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I know who he is.

Im 100% sure that he's a paid Online Poker shill.

He won't say what he does for a living. He won't say where he supposedly plays poker(becasue he s paid to defend it, hence he knows it's rigged) or what limits. He won't post a hand he's played.
As far as I can tell, you've only posted 2 hands from FTP, that might not have even been yours, but could just be something you saw and thought "proved" rigging, so I consider you a shill too. Obviously the sites want to cover up the rigging, so they pay people to say things so unbelievably stupid about rigging it convinces people it can't be rigged.
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Thats probably a lie...Either way, you guys were saying something about the risk and not wanting to get caught cheating their customers...Who's going to catch them? Who's going to discipline them? Who's going to arrest them? IF they did cheat customers?
We saw how the KGC handled it....
I'd say losing a good amount of your customers is pretty good punishment. I'm not sure how many people played on AP/UB before the scandal broke, but they only have something like 4,500 players a day now.
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One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.


v., shilled, shill·ing, shills.

v.intr.
To act as a shill.

v.tr.
To act as a shill for (a deceitful enterprise).
To lure (a person) into a swindle.
[Perhaps short for shillaber.]


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Top Home > Library > Entertainment & Arts > PokerAn employee of a gaming establishment whose primary purpose is to play and help keep enough players at a table.

SoundPoker Says: A shill helps to start and maintain poker games for the house but keeps no part of their winnings and must play by specific rules dictated by the cardroom.

See Also: House Rules, Stake Player

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The noun has one meaning:

Meaning #1: a decoy who acts as an enthusiastic customer in order to stimulate the participation of others



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The verb shill has one meaning:

Meaning #1: act as a shill


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Look up shill in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. The term plant is also used. Shill bidding, found on many auction sites such as eBay, is punishable by law[1] and may result in fines and or prosecution.

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging character of their actions. However, if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates "buzz", the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when desired (see claque), or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience", is a type of legal shill.

"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, possibly because their income is tied to its prosperity.

Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
2 Shills in gambling
3 Shills on the Internet
4 Shills in marketing
5 Shills in auctions
6 Shills in journalism
7 In interrogations
8 References
9 External links



Etymology
The origin of the term shill is uncertain; it may be an abbreviation of the Yiddish shillaber. The word originally denoted a carnival worker who pretends to be a member of the audience in an attempt to elicit interest in an attraction. Some sources trace the usage only back to 1914.[2]


Shills in gambling
Both the illegal and legal gambling industries often use shills to make winning at games appear more likely than it actually is. For example, illegal Three-card Monte peddlers are notorious employers of shills. These shills also often aid in cheating, disrupting the game if the "mark" is likely to win.

In a legal casino, however, a shill is sometimes a gambler who plays using the casino's money in order to keep games (especially poker) going when there are not enough players. (This is different from a "proposition player" who is paid a salary by the casino for the same purpose, but bets with their own money.)


Shills on the Internet
In online discussion media, satisfied consumers or "innocent" parties may express specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest, such as a commercial vendor or special-interest group. Websites may also be set up for the same purpose. For example, an employee of a company that produces a specific product may praise the product anonymously in a discussion forum or group in order to generate interest in that product, service or group. In addition, some shills use sock puppetry where they sign on as one user soliciting recommendations for a specific product or service. They then sign on as a different user pretending to be a satisfied customer of a specific company.

In some jurisdictions and circumstances this type of activity may be illegal. In addition, reputable organizations may prohibit their employees and other interested parties (contractors, agents, etc.) from participating in public forums or discussion groups in which a conflict of interest might arise, or will at least insist that their employees and agents refrain from participating in any way that might create a conflict of interest.


Shills in marketing
See also: Astroturfing
In marketing, shills are often employed to assume the air of satisfied customers and give testimonials to the merits of a given product. This type of shilling is illegal in some jurisdictions but almost impossible to detect. It may be considered a form of unjust enrichment or unfair competition, as in California's Business & Professions Code § 17200, which prohibits "unfair or fraudulent business act[s] or practice[s] and unfair, deceptive, untrue or misleading advertising".


Shills in auctions
Shills, or "potted plants", are sometimes employed in auctions. Driving prices up with phony bids, they seek to provoke a bidding war among other participants. Often they are told by the seller precisely how high to bid, as the seller actually pays the price (to himself, of course) if the item does not sell, losing only the auction fees.

Shilling has a substantially higher rate of occurrence in online auctions, where any user with multiple accounts (and IP addresses) can shill without aid of participants. Many online auction sites employ sophisticated (and usually secret) methods to detect collusion.


Shills in journalism
The term is applied metaphorically to journalists or commentators who have vested interests in or associations with parties in a controversial issue. Usually this takes the form of a show or network pretending to be offering news when in fact they are simply repeating talking points offered by a political party.

In addition, there have been some notorious news conferences, such as the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency conference in which agency staffers posed as news reporters.[3] Shill reporters have also been used in White House briefings.[citation needed]

Journalistic ethics require full disclosure of conflicts of interest, and of any interference by other parties with the reportage.

Another good example of Shill would be the EVCAST Podcast show where the content acts as a shill for the Chevy Volt product by sounding negative about all other EV vehicles, except the Chevy Volt.[citation needed]


In interrogations
Plants can be used by police or military interrogators to aid interrogation. The plant can pose as a fellow inmate or internee, build a rapport and earn the confidence of the interviewee. The plant may subtly suggest that telling the interrogators what they want to know is the sensible or right thing to do. Even if no outright confessions are obtained, minor details and discrepancies that come out in supposedly innocent conversation can be used to chip away at the interviewee. Some plants are in reality inmates or prisoners of war who have been promised better treatment and conditions in return for helping with the interrogation.

One notorious UK case is that of Colin Stagg, accused of the murder of Rachel Nickell, in which a policewoman posed as a potential love interest to try to tempt Stagg to implicate himself.


References
^ FTC v. Greeting Cards of America, Inc. et al
^ Entry for shill, Merriam-Webster's m-w.com
^ Kamen, Al. "FEMA Meets the Press, Which Happens to Be...FEMA", Washington Post, 26 October 2007, p.A19.
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Thats probably a lie...
You wish.

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Either way, you guys were saying something about the risk and not wanting to get caught cheating their customers...Who's going to catch them? Who's going to discipline them? Who's going to arrest them? IF they did cheat customers?

We saw how the KGC handled it....
And you want the US government incolved?

And how did they handle it when the banks f**ked up so monumentally that the whole financial system was about to go into meltdown?

Did they arrest those responsible?

Did ther seize the assets of those who had cause so much misery to untold numbers of good, honest, hard working, Americans?

Did thay fu*k.

They gave the bastids a load of taxpayer's (a.k.a. good, honest, hard working, Americans) money to bail them out.

Pass the sick bag, Alice!
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As far as I can tell, you've only posted 2 hands from FTP, that might not have even been yours, but could just be something you saw and thought "proved" rigging, so I consider you a shill too. Obviously the sites want to cover up the rigging, so they pay people to say things so unbelievably stupid about rigging it convinces people it can't be rigged.


I'd say losing a good amount of your customers is pretty good punishment. I'm not sure how many people played on AP/UB before the scandal broke, but they only have something like 4,500 players a day now.
The hands come from page 322 of this thread and are not my hands. I have never played at FTP.
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I am 100% certain online poker is rigged, and would literally bet my life on it.

I've posted evidence ITT, and will gather and post some more.
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Point 3 seems strange. Does this require Stars to be outright lying about the type of deal they use? That seems really out there that they would do something so easy to catch. Maybe I am missing something here.
They could do a static deal, but then the black box object (that only a few senior people maintain) does a little special re-deal part under circumstances until it gets what it wants. Again, far-fetched, but that's how it would work. Most of the day-to-day programmers would be unaware of what was going on. If someone trusted would just tell me that the code is not set up this way, I would believe that it's almost impossible PS could be rigged against certain categories of players.


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Point 4 is completely tied into point 6. One of the biggest flaws of many riggedology beliefs is that they look at potential gain (often times incorrectly determined) while completely ignoring risk. That is not the way it works except for criminals on the tv show COPS.
I've seen some argue nothing could be gained period. I was just refuting that. There's something to be gained, it's just almost certainly outweighed by the risks.


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If you did all of that and demonstrated that everything seemed normal, you know what would happen next?

Someone would come here, post a single hand, declare it is rigged, and the whole cycle would continue.

Welcome to the thread...
I could care less about that. I'm not doing this thought experiment for the rigtards. I'm doing it for my own piece of mind. It's not good for my game to sit there thinking "this cannot possibly happening" for the 7th Saturday night in a row, or 25th 12-table set in a row.
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I am 100% certain online poker is rigged, and would literally bet my life on it.
So what the **** are you doing on a forum devoted to on line poker?

Why did you not just cash in whatever they left you and go away and do somethine more profitable.

What a f**king idiot!

Just to keep Darwin true it would be good if someone took you up on your moronic bet!
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:03 PM   #5071
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OK, anything to oblige.

I am a shill for on-line poker employed by the Lizard People for their nefarious (look it up) purposes.

Happy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnyGYkij-W4

lol you and Monteroy aren't the only ones using the funny "Lizard people" defence. You need a new line lol.

Here s a shill for the Guardian newspaper using the same tactic.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:13 PM   #5072
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So what the **** are you doing on a forum devoted to on line poker?

Why did you not just cash in whatever they left you and go away and do somethine more profitable.

What a f**king idiot!
1. Believe it or not, the poker strategies discussed here apply to live play as well. Do I really need to explain that?

2. I often post and read forums here not related to poker anyway.

3. I still play low stakes online for practice, since I don't live near a card room.

I think it's possible to profit in online poker, provided you adjust to the skewed probability distributions of the rigged rng. I hypothesize many of the winning online players do that automatically from playing so many hands.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:14 PM   #5073
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Re: ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED 100%

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Cmon Monteroy this is a clear example of sites protecting the fish.

This is an altered deal.

This isnt poker this is a joke.

Yeah , hard to argue that that can ever happen. Guess this proves live poker on TV is rigged (that dealer did look shifty).

Oh wait I can do youtube videos also!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOLw2q0JG9Y

Sorry, it's AK vs A7 not AK vs A8, closest I could find on short notice... Oh yeah, mine also does not have a backdoor flush draw possible so I guess live poker extra rigged compared to online.

Seriously, your weird qpw obsession combined with your inability to beat low/mid stakes poker has really had a strange impact on you.

Not that I actually care, just saying.

If this is just your way to vent steam after correctly giving up on poker then all the power to you. Carry on.

All the best.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:14 PM   #5074
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1. Believe it or not, the poker strategies discussed here apply to live play as well. Do I really need to explain that?

2. I often post and read forums here not related to poker anyway.

3. I still play low stakes online for practice, since I don't live near a card room.

I think it's possible to profit in online poker, provided you adjust to the skewed probability distributions of the rigged rng. I hypothesize many of the winning online players do that automatically from playing so many hands.
Do you mind linking to your "proof" ITT? I can't find it. Thanks.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:18 PM   #5075
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The hands come from page 322 of this thread and are not my hands. I have never played at FTP.
Thanks for proving my point, shill.
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