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Old 06-18-2009, 03:34 AM   #4876
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Whether static or continuous, the shuffle is still random. It doesn't make a lick of difference in the results which one is used.
dbcooper-I just read your book. nice sky dive dude.

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Old 06-18-2009, 03:54 AM   #4877
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Please provide any evidence you have that this happens.

Traditionally, before people make wild accusations of massive international frauds and scams, and before people accuse others of fraud, theft and other criminal behaviour, it is customary to have evidence to support your accusations.

If you think this is happening, why have you not reported it to the relevant authorities?
Why is it the denialists try to end the argument with the same old "prove it" statement every time you can't think of an intelligent response to a good point.

The super user software scandal proves the software can be rigged. Just because they were caught (by being to greedy) doesn't mean it can't be kept undetectable.

If a live dealer can go undetectable by all but other experts why not a computer program. Yes under proper scrutiny bad code could be detected but do such third party checks occur by reputable agencies? Not to mention the possibility of violence against a wistleblower or inspector. And how many millions could be stolen before detection? 6.1 million in the UB payback. That may have been a fraction of the real amount.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:12 AM   #4878
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Why is it the denialists try to end the argument with the same old "prove it" statement every time you can't think of an intelligent response to a good point.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:24 AM   #4879
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LOLOLOL at those who think online poker isn't rigged.
ROFLMAO at rigtards who think OLP is rigged based on no credible evidence.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:27 AM   #4880
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ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED 100%

ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. anyone who doesn't think so and continues to deposit is a sucker.Don't listen to those who claim to "gotten rich quick" by online poker. there is no "EV" in online poker.. you want to win in the long run? play live. This game will lead you in the negative overall. believe that. you are not the next tom dwan or andrew robl. you are a victim of a faulty business operation which has taken BILLIONS of hard-earned dollars from countries all over the world. The fact these companies have grown so large is sickening. WAKE UP


.....ok im done. just had to vent my frustration.

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Old 06-18-2009, 04:27 AM   #4881
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Re: ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED 100%

I take it you've been on a bad run...
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:29 AM   #4882
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Even when on a good run I knew it was unrealistic.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:30 AM   #4883
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Why is it the denialists try to end the argument with the same old "prove it" statement
That's just the way civilised societies have evolved to deal with wrong doing. Before you can get any credibility for assertions of criminality you have to provide believable evidence.

If you find that an inconvenience then perhaps Iran or Saudi Arabia would be more to your taste?

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every time you can't think of an intelligent response to a good point.
Oh, we can think of intelligent responses to good points.

It's just yours that are problematic because they are childish 'just suppose' scenarios.

Like the six year old who says 'just suppose you could walk on the sun'. OK to indulge a child's imagination but not the sort of thing to bring to an adult forum.

OTOH: Just suppose there was a world with no idiot rigtards ...
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:32 AM   #4884
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ROFLMAO at rigtards who think OLP is rigged based on no credible evidence
ROFLMAO at people who think its possible to get "credible" evidence to prove online poker is rigged. It's based on timing, my friend, and no single individual has the resources to obtain such "evidence".. I could show you countless people who have 20k HH who are way under expected value but you would call it a "run of bad luck" or "variance".. and "not enough Hand histories".

Online poker is rigged.. you are a sucker.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:34 AM   #4885
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there is nothing "EV" about online poker..
That doesn't even make sense.
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you want to win in the long run? play live.
Yes, no one has ever lost live.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:37 AM   #4886
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You changed my mind.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:40 AM   #4887
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and continues to deposit is a sucker.

Well, I agree with that part anyway. But what about the players who don't need to continue to deposit? (defining this for the stupid: I'm referring to the type of player who is good enough to beat the games and continue winning and thus only cashes out and does not deposit).
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:40 AM   #4888
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so play live dude....
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:41 AM   #4889
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ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. anyone who doesn't think so and continues to deposit is a sucker.Don't listen to those who claim to "gotten rich quick" by online poker. there is no "EV" in online poker.. you want to win in the long run? play live. This game will lead you in the negative overall. believe that. you are not the next tom dwan or andrew robl. you are a victim of a faulty business operation which has taken BILLIONS of hard-earned dollars from countries all over the world. The fact these companies have grown so large is sickening. WAKE UP


.....ok im done. just had to vent my frustration.
alternative theory... youre not good enough to beat the (generally tougher) games online. seek coaching and instructional sites.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:43 AM   #4890
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you are a victim of a faulty business operation which has taken BILLIONS of hard-earned dollars from countries all over the world.
Doesn't sound too faulty to me!

Sound like they're on a winner if that's the case.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:48 AM   #4891
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Re: ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED 100%

i dont believe online poker is rigged. i just have a sac.
no reason for FTP/PS to rig it. they make too much in rake. smaller sites tho, i wouldnt play on

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $46.45
UTG+1: $83.80
MP1: $36.00
MP2: $343.10
CO: $200.00
BTN: $152.75
SB: $156.40
Hero (BB): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A K
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero raises to $124, 2 folds, MP2 calls $112

Flop: ($253.00) K 7 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $79 all in, MP2 calls $79

Turn: ($411.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($411.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $411.00
MP2 shows A 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
Hero shows A K (two pair, Kings and Eights)
MP2 wins $408.00
(Rake: $3.00)
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:49 AM   #4892
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SAME GUY the day before fwiw:

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $400.00
UTG: $779.60
Hero (UTG+1): $400.00
UTG+2: $400.00
MP1: $184.00
MP2: $578.00
CO: $400.00
BTN: $260.00
SB: $143.50

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, UTG+2 calls $4, 4 folds, SB raises to $60, 1 fold, UTG calls $56, Hero raises to $144, 1 fold, SB calls $83.50 all in, UTG calls $84

Flop: ($439.50) 8 3 2 (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG checks, Hero bets $169, UTG calls $169

Turn: ($777.50) 5 (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG checks, Hero bets $87 all in, UTG calls $87

River: ($951.50) 9 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $951.50
UTG shows 5 3 (two pair, Fives and Threes)
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
SB shows 6 6 (a pair of Sixes)
UTG wins $513.00
UTG wins $435.50
(Rake: $3.00)
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:49 AM   #4893
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It's based on timing, my friend
Ooh, the return of this old chestnut.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:53 AM   #4894
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Please PM me that player's name. And why are you posting these hands? I don't understand the point.
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ROFLMAO at people who think its possible to get "credible" evidence to prove online poker is rigged.
Quite right.

It would only be possible to get such evidence if it were rigged. You can't get such evidence because you are a rigtard and just have a feeling it's rigged.

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It's based on timing,
Ahh, timing!

And complex patterns not decipherable by computer but clearly visible to a rag bag assortment of rigtards.

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I could show you countless people who have 20k HH who are way under expected value
Countless?

Countless to you, perhaps, but I can count up to more than a mirrion!

If you can show me even 1000 verified 20k HH's that show 1000 discrete players running below expectation (and I mean expectation based on card fall not their own inflated opinions of their poker playing prowess) I'll join you in calling for a large scale investigation.

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but you would call it a "run of bad luck" or "variance".. and "not enough Hand histories".
If you have less than a few hundred examples then that's just what it is.

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Online poker is rigged.. you are a sucker.
Well, if you believe OLP is rigged and you keep playing it (which your presence here would seem to indicate is a likely hypothesis), then I think it is you who is the sucker.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:55 AM   #4896
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That's just the way civilised societies have evolved to deal with wrong doing. Before you can get any credibility for assertions of criminality you have to provide believable evidence.

If you find that an inconvenience then perhaps Iran or Saudi Arabia would be more to your taste?



Oh, we can think of intelligent responses to good points.

It's just yours that are problematic because they are childish 'just suppose' scenarios.

Like the six year old who says 'just suppose you could walk on the sun'. OK to indulge a child's imagination but not the sort of thing to bring to an adult forum.

OTOH: Just suppose there was a world with no idiot rigtards ...
With your lack of intelligent imagination we never would have made it to the moon. Or maybe you're in DENIAL of the moon landings too.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:57 AM   #4897
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:57 AM   #4898
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So, do you think Tom Dwan sucks at poker, but the site bails him out?
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:10 AM   #4899
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ROFLMAO at people who think its possible to get "credible" evidence to prove online poker is rigged.
Of course it is possible.

How can you simultaneously claim to know something, and also claim that it is unknowable?

That's nut house logic.

Not only that, but the shuffle on one site was proven to be biased - it is detailed in the FAQ of this forum.
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It's based on timing, my friend, and no single individual has the resources to obtain such "evidence"..
This is just another lie from a lying liar that lies.

There are collections of over a billion hand histories, and they all show results that stick to expectation.
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I could show you countless people who have 20k HH who are way under expected value but you would call it a "run of bad luck" or "variance".. and "not enough Hand histories".
Show us one such collection of hand histories.
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With your lack of intelligent imagination we never would have made it to the moon.
Ah, but you see, I do have the imagination.

I can imagine a hundred different ways that a site could try and cream off money from its players.

However, I can also imagine 200 ways that you could analyse HH's to detect these shenanigans.

This is where you and your fellow rigtards fall down. You can vaguely imagine that a site could be 'doing something' but because you don't have the wit to think what it might be (beyond a generic 'rigged' assertion) you can't go any further.

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Or maybe you're in DENIAL of the moon landings too.
Well moon landing denialists are usually to be found amongst those with various other dotty conspricay theorists so I thionk that really is more likely to be your province than mine.
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