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Old 06-15-2009, 03:20 PM   #4701
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

They were inside jobs, and AP/UB had already had shaky reputations since the UIGEA.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:21 PM   #4702
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The point is obvious, If security is so lax they allow a super user to defraud millions then how can they possibly stop hackers. I'm sure they have very sophisticated software but they don't have pockets like the pentagon(or maybe they do) and the pentagon gets hacked.
Regardless, there is a very lucrative incentive for employees that have access to the code to rig it and split the profit with another or just set up an account in another identity. Would be easy to keep it under the radar.
Do you honestly not understand the difference between "rigging the RNG" and "superusers"?

Also, guess what, the AP/UB scandals were uncovered with the help of members of this forum by using probability theory (among other things). This mathematical theory is the same one that has been displayed in this thread and is being ignored by the rigtards in this thread including yourself.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:23 PM   #4703
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This is one of the actual unfunny aspect of dealing with those that have these extreme, unprovable, conspiracy type beliefs. While they no doubt always totally believe in what their paranoid mind creates, the reality is that this selfish approach on their part is quite insulting to those who actually genuinely try to do what these guys think they are doing.

Similarly (and likely more emotional) would be the impact the equivalent conspiracists have on actual victims of tragic events as their theories often time trivialize what actually happened by creating mystical, complex theories behind an event.

I cannot imagine a family of a 9/11 victim would be thrilled to see a self proclaimed "truther" spouting off about intricate plots and melting steel etc. The conspiracy nuts are not helping by seeking the "truth," they are simply finding a new platform to expand their ego needs of being heard and recognizing for what they believe to be some secret truth. Knowing these secret truths are what helps them make their place in the world, and I mentioned, it is a totally selfish approach.

Yes it is fun tweaking at those who bring up mafia/entropy/faulty voting machines/War Games like hackers and all sorts of other creative theories, but the reality is that even recognizing them in jest takes away a bit from those who actually do the real and often times mundane work that protects consumers for real.

Many of us do appreciate that work.
The integrity of online poker is already shot forever and none of the smarmy denialist, pseudo loyalist diatribe will bring it back. When millions are stolen the game is up, the proof is in the pudding so to speak.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:28 PM   #4704
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The integrity of online poker is already shot forever and none of the smarmy denialist, pseudo loyalist diatribe will bring it back. When millions are stolen the game is up, the proof is in the pudding so to speak.
Enron was an energy company. Therefore the integrity of the energy industry is shot? Your logic is horrible.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:40 PM   #4705
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Possibility of Superusers on PS???

This is not the first time that this has happened to me... Early position shove, trying to steal blinds, FIRST HAND at new table... Tourney was not meaningful to me, but nontheless this is not ordinary play...


PokerStars Game #xxxxxxxxxx: Tournament #xxxxxxxxx, xxxxxx Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/06/15 15:15:57 ET
Table 'xxxxxxxxx 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: luckyharry2 (4230 in chips)
Seat 2: futuring88 (1515 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (2230 in chips)
Seat 4: Giorgio2000 (4250 in chips)
Seat 5: Lepriconics (3345 in chips)
Seat 6: bry1408 (3810 in chips)
Seat 7: clauSmok (1965 in chips)
Seat 8: freakyish (1010 in chips)
Seat 9: Angela108 (5250 in chips)
Seat 10: kobenator (2395 in chips)
freakyish: posts small blind 75
Angela108: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [6h 6c]
kobenator: folds
luckyharry2: folds
futuring88: folds
HERO: raises 2080 to 2230 and is all-in
Giorgio2000: folds
Lepriconics: calls 2230
bry1408: folds
clauSmok: folds
freakyish: folds
Angela108: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 9h 9c]
*** TURN *** [7s 9h 9c] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7s 9h 9c 4d] [9d]
clauSmok said, "hahahhahahahhaha"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [6h 6c] (a full house, Nines full of Sixes)
Lepriconics: shows [7d 9s] (four of a kind, Nines)
HERO said, "wtf..."
Lepriconics collected 4685 from pot
freakyish said, "wtf"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4685 | Rake 0
Board [7s 9h 9c 4d 9d]
Seat 1: luckyharry2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: futuring88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HERO showed [6h 6c] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
Seat 4: Giorgio2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Lepriconics showed [7d 9s] and won (4685) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: bry1408 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: clauSmok (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: freakyish (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Angela108 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: kobenator folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:41 PM   #4706
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The point is obvious, If security is so lax they allow a super user to defraud millions then how can they possibly stop hackers. I'm sure they have very sophisticated software but they don't have pockets like the pentagon(or maybe they do) and the pentagon gets hacked.
Regardless, there is a very lucrative incentive for employees that have access to the code to rig it and split the profit with another or just set up an account in another identity. Would be easy to keep it under the radar.
If they can rig the RNG to make very lucrative profits under the radar, then why would they need superusers?
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:43 PM   #4707
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Airtight case.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:45 PM   #4708
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:47 PM   #4709
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:48 PM   #4710
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Was this the $3 rebuy by any chance?
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:48 PM   #4711
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97o call doesn't make sense considering he's not big-stack and nearly putting himself all-in. suspicious call.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:48 PM   #4712
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:48 PM   #4713
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Quality of replies were given in consideration of the quality of evidence presented.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:49 PM   #4714
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Heh. Riggedologists everywhere, this is what you become when you expand your beliefs to other areas. Simplistic, angry , manifesto style beliefs written on billboards hanging onto your body type stuff. Enjoy.





I think be default it is best to not assume what random people are saying that involves conspiracies or other mystical forces at work is true until proven. All you or others have to do is prove your beliefs beyond "it's true because I know it's true and say it's true" with actual verifiable data.

Don't worry, no one ever expects you or other riggedologists to actually prove anything (as that is not your way), but just letting you know how a "denialist" thinks. At least that is what the Lizard people told me to say (you do not deny that Lizard people may be secretly in charge of everything do you...)







Nobody denies the fraud that took place at UB. It was not rigged software though, so why use it as an example of rigged software? They are two separate issues that even a really out there paranoid guy like you should accept =).

And voting machine conspiracies, well that certainly has a lot to do with anything =). I bet you see hidden truths everywhere...

Enjoy your paranoia, and learn how to quote properly on a message board. If I can learn how to do that so can you.

All the best.
If you keep up with the news you'd know about voting machine fraud. do I have to find the links?
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:52 PM   #4715
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The point is obvious, If security is so lax they allow a super user to defraud millions then how can they possibly stop hackers. I'm sure they have very sophisticated software but they don't have pockets like the pentagon(or maybe they do) and the pentagon gets hacked.
Regardless, there is a very lucrative incentive for employees that have access to the code to rig it and split the profit with another or just set up an account in another identity. Would be easy to keep it under the radar
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If they can rig the RNG to make very lucrative profits under the radar, then why would they need superusers?
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Please explain how rogue employees who rigged the deal could get the extra rake/fee money out of the company's accounts and into their own pockets, at the same time hiding these transactions.

Or just say, "Umm, no I was talking about cheating players, not rigging, and I'm in the wrong thread. My bad".
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:52 PM   #4716
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This is not the first time that this has happened to me... Early position shove, trying to steal blinds, FIRST HAND at new table... Tourney was not meaningful to me, but nontheless this is not ordinary play...


PokerStars Game #xxxxxxxxxx: Tournament #xxxxxxxxx, xxxxxx Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/06/15 15:15:57 ET
Table 'xxxxxxxxx 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: luckyharry2 (4230 in chips)
Seat 2: futuring88 (1515 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (2230 in chips)
Seat 4: Giorgio2000 (4250 in chips)
Seat 5: Lepriconics (3345 in chips)
Seat 6: bry1408 (3810 in chips)
Seat 7: clauSmok (1965 in chips)
Seat 8: freakyish (1010 in chips)
Seat 9: Angela108 (5250 in chips)
Seat 10: kobenator (2395 in chips)
freakyish: posts small blind 75
Angela108: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [6h 6c]
kobenator: folds
luckyharry2: folds
futuring88: folds
HERO: raises 2080 to 2230 and is all-in
Giorgio2000: folds
Lepriconics: calls 2230
bry1408: folds
clauSmok: folds
freakyish: folds
Angela108: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 9h 9c]
*** TURN *** [7s 9h 9c] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7s 9h 9c 4d] [9d]
clauSmok said, "hahahhahahahhaha"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [6h 6c] (a full house, Nines full of Sixes)
Lepriconics: shows [7d 9s] (four of a kind, Nines)
HERO said, "wtf..."
Lepriconics collected 4685 from pot
freakyish said, "wtf"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4685 | Rake 0
Board [7s 9h 9c 4d 9d]
Seat 1: luckyharry2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: futuring88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HERO showed [6h 6c] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
Seat 4: Giorgio2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Lepriconics showed [7d 9s] and won (4685) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: bry1408 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: clauSmok (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: freakyish (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Angela108 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: kobenator folded before Flop (didn't bet)

You are right, that is not an ordinary play. Trying to steal a 150 chip blind by pushing 2K+ chips all in preflop with a pair of 6's. Are you a superuser?

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Old 06-15-2009, 03:53 PM   #4717
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Quality of replies were given in consideration of the quality of evidence presented.
Sorry, one hand, mid-stake, MTT-Tourney... nothing sketchy there.

Thank you again... and jizzfeltcher as well.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:56 PM   #4718
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Do you honestly not understand the difference between "rigging the RNG" and "superusers"?

By using the words "code " and "rig" in the same sentence I assume all but the simplest minds would understand the meaning.
One need not actually "rig the RNG" when one can "bypass" the RNG.

Also, guess what, the AP/UB scandals were uncovered with the help of members of this forum by using probability theory (among other things). This mathematical theory is the same one that has been displayed in this thread and is being ignored by the rigtards in this thread including yourself.
Go ahead and restart the MT discussion, be my guest, but by the way you talk around the subject I assume your mental capacity won't allow a real discussion about MT.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:57 PM   #4719
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You are right, that is not an ordinary play. Trying to steal a 150 chip blind by pushing 2K+ chips all in preflop with a pair of 6's. Are you a superuser?
Did I make a bad play? Absolutely, I knew the moment I was called I was gonna lose, but was quite surprised.

Thanks to you, glad I good give you something to do in your apparently oh-so-busy life.


What a coincidence.
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:00 PM   #4720
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MY MISTAKE... THREAD TITLE SHOULD HAVE "BEEN POSSIBILITY OF PLAYERS CHEATING ON PS"
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:01 PM   #4721
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Please explain how rogue employees who rigged the deal could get the extra rake/fee money out of the company's accounts and into their own pockets, at the same time hiding these transactions.

Or just say, "Umm, no I was talking about cheating players, not rigging, and I'm in the wrong thread. My bad".
employees are the company whether the company knows about the fraud or not. could be just a core of employees or one employee its still the company. If an employee cheats by rigging that is the company rigging.
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:05 PM   #4722
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Go ahead and restart the MT discussion, be my guest, but by the way you talk around the subject I assume your mental capacity won't allow a real discussion about MT.
"MT" - like your head?

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Old 06-15-2009, 04:09 PM   #4723
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The company is not hurt by employee or any rigged cheating because it just means faster play, more rakes and chip reloads.
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:12 PM   #4724
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Did I make a bad play? Absolutely, I knew the moment I was called I was gonna lose, but was quite surprised.

Thanks to you, glad I good give you something to do in your apparently oh-so-busy life.


What a coincidence.
So if you made a bad play, is it not possible for another player to make a questionable play with 9 6 off? Why jump to the tinfoil hat conclusion?
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:14 PM   #4725
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The company is not hurt by employee or any rigged cheating because it just means faster play, more rakes and chip reloads.
but it's hurt by all the bad press you're giving it! they're losing customers by the 1000's everyday due to the evidence you've presented here!

On behalf of the Shill/Rigging Denialist Union, I BEG you to stop!

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