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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel1
2. Disagree although I do partly agree. I am a numbers person and always have been. I used to study statistics at school (long time ago), and have a numbers type of brain, so I am a big fan of stats, but I am well aware how you can use statistics to lie and mislead. Yes you can do a "LOT" but the more information you have the more reliable the results. I love stats which is why I want to see all of them out there.
How can there be so many riggies who claim to be fans of stats (did you /like stats on Facebook?) or claim to have math(s) degrees yet have no idea how to use a simple database program.
At least guys like ray openly admit to their fear of statistics which I can appreciate more than the riggies who seem to believe they are actually stats guys while having no understanding of the topic.
I do understand that computers do not exist in the year this poster continues to live in, so that might be a factor.
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My main concern is those who support online seem to be towing the poker site line. I would have thought those who are genuine players and want to see online thrive would be pulling for the sites to come up with the information so there would be far less doubt and more confidence in online poker. For that reason I would have thought online sites would be willingly supplying the necessary information. That they don't, and neither do those on here who take the online side, looks a little strange. Like one unified voice.
For this to be transparent, you need all the information, so that genuine analysts can do their stuff. The information needs to be out there for all.
The sites provide all the hand histories you ever played on request (and those that do not you should avoid like Pitbull Poker back in the day). If you want more HHs then go to tableratings and buy a couple million.
I encourage you or anyone else to use all the data you like and prove to me that the games are rigged. In fact I have offered a $1,000 reward to the first one who can do this.
I realize you never speak in specifics (few riggies do) , so you will say things like the sites do not reveal "all the information" without actually stating what information you need to see, and how you would analyze it if you could see it. Thus, no point in even asking what specific information your require since you would never answer that with a specific answer.
Instead I will offer you a reward if you can prove the games are rigged.
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Hopefully we can start anew with government approved and regulated online poker sites, with constantly monitored rng's. There will always be people shouting "rigged" but it will be a lot better situation than we have had in the past.
Government regulation will have nothing to do with rigged RnGs since rigged RnGs are not a practical form of crime. They will regulate how money will be handled.
You probably have not noticed that many countries have implemented regulation already and that is a trend that will continue to eventually include the US.
Government regulation is needed for the industry, though it will do nothing with regard to riggie beliefs, they will simply think the governments are part of the conspiracy.
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I am not a regular 2+2 er, but I ask for those who think it is rigged to come up with some evidence. I was tempted to put the word "evidence" in capitals but it's not usually my style. I don't think you need to shout to get your point across. Evidence is very important if you wish to convince others.
I will add $1,000 as incentive if they can provide conclusive evidence that a major online poker room (even Full Tilt ) is rigged.
You have to admit that $1,000 should provide more incentive than a heartfelt plea from you, but I suspect we will receve none.
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If you don't wish to convince others, then just play online and see what you think. Take your own stats in your own way if you have any questions about realistic odds, then choose to play or not to play. If you want to prove it to others though, shouting "definite rig" on here is not enough for a lot of people, unless you have some evidence to back it up. Opinions are good, but evidence is better.
This is fine for a casual player, but then casual players should play for any reason they like, and if being a riggie is part of that game experience that's fine.
If a player wants to make money online this is not the approach that is required. Any riggie playing online poker to win money (instead of having fun) should immediately cash out and uninstall every online poker program on their system and never look back.
All the best.