I like your moxy. Damn those stats shill guys with billion hand data, we gots our 4 hands!

It is worse then you think. In the example above they also required the poster to badly play both his hands to actually see the evil that existed. Either it was mind control or a bot that forced him to click the wrong buttons. No end to their sinister ways.


A career awaits with you standing on a crate and using a bull horn. Do not deny the world of your knowledge of these hidden, dark, evil, sinister forces at work. Just push aside the 9/11 guys, the JFK people, the alien guys and make your presence known on street corners everywhere. The world awaits.


Use the stud hands I posted as proof as well. But make sure you leave out this context

PokerStars Game #28834366864: Tournament #167084352, 1FPP HORSE (7 Card Stud Limit) - Level IV (100/200) - 2009/05/31 15:21:12 ET
Table '167084352 178' 8-max


PokerStars Game #28834501881: Tournament #167084352, 1FPP HORSE (7 Card Stud Limit) - Level IV (100/200) - 2009/05/31 15:24:15 ET
Table '167084352 178' 8-max


Damn, that evil Pokerstars. They add money to the pokercast freeroll only to setup evil hands to end the tourney early. My single FPP was stolen, I want justice!

Wow, it's actually kind of fun being a whack job

All the best.


P.S.

I can't wait till spade finishes that huge study of his and is confronted by "logic" like this. Sure your 100 million hand sample works out, but look at these 2 hands...

That's always good times.

Good picture.

It's time you put something useful in this thread, like the pictures of full IT audit reports (including audits of all business continuity data centres) of PS IT systems.

A+ post sir. You have enlightened me to realize my own stupidity

Well, ironically the existence of the 4 hands makes your argument about the multibillion hands sample useless and nothing more than a logical fallacy.

Any hands that produced by a manipulated software perfectly fit into the multibillion hands sample. If the product of a manipulated software fits into the sample, if the manipulated elements are legitimate members of the sample, than the sample cannot be used to prove that the site is not rigged. I think it is pretty obvious.

Applying simple formal logic to your messed up multibillion hands sample argument solved the case. Your multibillion hands sample evidence is now dismissed -))

Please bring your usual arguments and fantasies, that the less known family that established PS is so honest, why would they cheat anybody, they rational business people, and they would never cheat anybody when they easily could using a completely unaudited, uncontrolled system on an unregulated environment, etc. etc.

that first HH is obviously doctored. here's how it really went...

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [6c 2c Ad 7s]
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kd As]
*** TURN *** [Tc Kd As] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Kd As Qd] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
qpw: shows [Ac Js Ah 4d] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)

the other one is correct though...

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [2h As 6s 7d]
*** FLOP *** [9c Jd 9s]
*** TURN *** [9c Jd 9s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [9c Jd 9s 8d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
icecrmking: shows [Ac 4c Ah Jh] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Nines)
this post is clear evidence that you don't understand what the word "evidence" means. but just in case, here's more - your continued misuse of another word despite several explanations of how it doesn't apply here:
Rigtards are the crusaders. Perhaps the word you're looking for (in lieu of the more popular term, "shill") is "infidels," which means "unbeliever," as in "infidels don't believe the sites are rigged so we must convert them to our ideology!"

You don't know how dumb you look thinking that two hands are enough evidence.

Let's flip a coin twice: on those two flips we will decide whether or not the coin is fair or not.

Well, I think this elitist and arrogant tone is completely unnecessary.

Asking transparent operation, fully audited software systems to be deployed, enforcing regulation driven policies, guaranty that only not manipulated random game delivered to users is nothing to do with JFK, 9/11 and conspiracy theories.

Probably because of my limited English, but it seems you can’t deal with a simple formal logic formula.

The statement was: any hands that produced by any manipulated software perfectly fit into the multibillion hands sample. If the product of any manipulated software fits into the sample, if the manipulated elements are legitimate members of the sample, than the sample cannot be used to prove that the site is not rigged.

I suggest please disprove this logical formula instead of getting emotional about who is dump and who is smart.

Monteroy and others, I give you a lot of credit for being able to respond to all of the crackpot theories and statements made in this thread. I concluded long ago though after providing logical and detailed responses about 100 times that most of these people can't be reasoned with. From here on out it's a maximum of 3 lines and/or a picture of kermit.

Mark, you are historically uneducated, that's the reason you have no idea about crusaders :-)))

The crusaders were defending something just like you are defending here the criminals, the crusaders went to the Holy Land to fanatically defend their religion just like you came to this topic to fanatically defend your religion about unregulated, uncontrolled, but of course honest online gambling operators.
The analogy about the crusaders is correct :-))

The probability of getting a267 (any order and suit) twice in a row are...

16/52 x 12/51 x 8/50 x 4/49 = .000946 or about .0946%

The odds that he has AcJAh4 both hands

1/48 x 8/47 x 1/46 x 4/45 = .00000685 or .000685%

Multiply these together for the probability of both them happening.

.000685% x .0946% = .0000648% ( about 1 in 5 million)

But it doesn't end there.
Both hands he made the nuts (2nd hand is actually the 2nd nuts, pretty close)
I'm not sure how to calculate the odds of having the nuts or 2nd nuts with AAJ4 but I will make a generous assumption and say its 1/100.

The odds of these 2 hands playing out the way they did are about 1/500,000,000.

Maybe it was just a random occurance but I don't think you guys realize how remote of a chance this has of happening.

Also please check my math. Been a while since I've been to school.

There were two different opponents. Also, why do you include the some of the suits here but not for the other hand?
You can say this about absolutely any hand. A board coming out Td-Jd-Qd-Kd-Ad is just as likely as a board coming out 2c-7h-Ts-5h-Kc.

Also, holy ****ing **** some of the rigtards are outrageously stupid.

I think of the umpires' impact on the game in precisely the same way that I think about the wind.

It may well impact on the game, but there's nothing you can do to control it. It is part of the wind, and people can blame and rant about the wind or the umpires all they want, but that's not going to make your team win next week, is it?
I've never published false and offensive criminal conspiracy theories on the internet about the umpires.

You might well consider this just to be "venting" but that just highlights the intellectual bankruptcy of those who consider online poker to be rigged with no evidence to support the false and offensive and nutty accusations.

The idea that there's a massive international criminal conspiracy here - which is simultaneously detectable by "feel" but not by statistical analysis - is just plain idiotic. There's simply no other way of describing the thought process that puts together so much conspiracy in your mind and turns it into a vengeful and angry internet posting in the way that happens on this issue.

These muppets pretend they're engaging in some sort of debate, when it's just mindlessly repeating the same nonsensical idiocies over and over - I've repeatedly posted in this forum an entirely legitimate and entirely fool proof and entirely undisputable way of ensuring that you're playing in a legitimately shuffled game, yet still, there are people who have posted many times who have consistently failed to actually take steps to address the issue.

I wasn't sure if the PokerStars shills were paid a set salary or if they were paid each time they posted. I'm now convicned they get paid by the word . Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

How do you know things are "way off"? What makes you think this?
Because there's no evidence that there's a little tweak here and there?

I don't believe that there are fairies who do little dances in the bottom of my garden, because there's no evidence of it. I don't believe there are aliens who control Barack Obama because there is no evidence of it. I don't believe that Bart Simpson is the personification of the devil because there is no evidence of it. I don't believe that there are flying reindeer because there is no evidence of it. I don't believe that online poker is rigged because there is no evidence of it.

The sort of same happened to me. It is nothing to do with neither randomness nor odds.

I am a software engineer and I can clarify that the hand we got is the product of a not random software. A resource due to a synchronization primitive fault (which fault is very common in multi threading environment) has been reused, that’s why you’ve got the same hand, flop, river, that’s why I got the same hand flop and rive, and it's a clear indication that the software is not random.

The most important is that I am sure any software professionals, any engineers from Intel that designed the RNG module could clarify: if the software would be random and it would really rely on the Intel hardware RNG as PS claims this could never ever happen. This is a technical fact, it just technically can not happen. Using the Intel hardware RNG just makes impossible thes events happen. It happened, therefore these criminals do not use the random generator they claims, and of course their software is not random, it is manipulated.

And you are not just an arrogant but quite an idiot as well talking about something (software) which you have absolutely no idea.

If PS would use the Intel hardware RNG to generate the entropy as PS claim, this never ever could happen. Just like you physically can’t jump 10 m high, just like my 96 years old grandfather physically can’t run 100m in 6.5 second, it is physically impossible that a software using the Intel hardware RNG would produce that result.

These are the facts and you shills just have to accept it.

But the 2 hands were not the same!

I still have 4 commandments to think of so I am looking for more riggedologist input. The 4 hands > a billion hands is interesting but just too strange to form a general commandment around, sometimes it is hard to follow the map in these people's brains.

I do not actually expect ever to make someone who is deeply paranoid about mystical forces at work to ever change their beliefs. That is not the way it works. However it is interesting to see a poster at the cusp of going full blown riggedologist and some long time posters who have achieved a "voices in the head" level of beliefs. It is a fascinating progression, one that is entertaining to be part of during breaks from playing.

Josem still tries to be talking sense in a genuine way, and looks like qpw burned out (not shocking). Spade being baffled by the latest crop of riggedologists (who are basically bat crazy compared to the previous batches) is also kind of funny to watch.

as if that actually matters...

Just because the hands had completely different cards, the board was different, the final hand strengths were different - you think the hands were actually different? Come on now! They were the same!!!


The only serious disappointment is that riggedologists focus on such impractical ways of cheating that they essentially ignore the real issues that exist such as bots (player ones, not weird site ones that are 95% of the field or whatever), collusion, fraud between players etc. They worry if two hands happen that are similar but are oblivious to real issues. Entertaining, but sort of sad.

Seems many are quitting, which is certainly the correct choice for them to make in an area where they cannot hack it, but I hope that is not an actual trend overall.


Alas, even if it did all the entropy things you want all that would happen is....

the same people would think it is rigged.


And solid use of the commandments which in case anyone forgets (and we still need 4 more)


Commandment 1: Thou shalt ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thou shalt state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thou shalt hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thou shalt assume

Commandment 5: Thou shalt have no time to test thy theories

Commandment 6: Thou shalt support they brethren unconditionally

with one of the better quotes so far being


That's what close minded paranoia is all about. Goes good with a soft drink.

If the software would really rely on the Intel hardware RNG as PS claims the submitted results (which I posted and another user posted) could never ever happen. Using Intel hardware RNG these results just cannot happen. This is a technical fact, reality that determined by the hardware design.

You shill, paid site defenders and idealist crusaders who naively believe in honest online gambling can say whatever you want, but certain things just technically not possible. You have to accept.

Just like you have to accept that these PS criminals most probably will go to jail, next to Madoff. Same nature, same origin, same crime, same result.

lol now he just keeps repeating himself

Get out the torches boys, we have a confirmed shill for Intel.

**** YOU POKERSTARS>

Not only do i hope you lose all your American business, but i hope you finally get exposed for the the pocket pair dealing, 1 outing, big stack slanted ****ing bs you call random tournaments.

ITS THERMAL ENTROPY MY ASS- ITS THERRRMMMAALLL folks. It cant be wrong.

Remember when i said you ****** with the wrong americans. Well now you are reaping the rewards. I wouldnt expect to get E-checks back you shills, and after this fall, all banks will stop dealing with these crooks.

So f***all you motherf****** who sit here and continue to defend these psuedo-random ****ing sites.

See, these two completely different hands can never happen. Ever! Why? Well, he says so that's why! And it is not just a fact it is a "technical fact!"



Technically this is another "technical fact." They are fun. They never provide any actual logic or reasoning or data, but they sound so techy.



You should notify all the courts in the world of your technical facts. Alert the media as well. They may suggest you go to a technical rubber room, but all that means is they are technically shills working to keep this massive conspiracy going before we all share a jail cell with Madoff.

Start a movement, you would technically be a good leader with all your technical expertise in the technical facts.

Good luck!!!


Technically that is true. Eventually paranoid people run out of things to say and they end up in some weird repetitive area. My favorite is when all else fails they suggest "mind control."