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12-11-2011 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
Guessing is nothing. Experience is all. I don't need to guess, I am the moron's moron.
+1
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12-11-2011 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
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probably meaningless but this is the result from all the sng's i played since 2007
starting from 9max to 6max to heads up regular speed, turbo's and the last 400 being hypers
maybe understandable that there are people being convinced there is some rigging going on .
questions the luck
adjusted ev is only about the all situations so who's saying the same amount of running bad is not involved in hands that don't end in all in (hope this make sense bc I'm not used writing in English)

btw average buying on that graph is 17.28$ according to hem and there are 419773 hands played
Luck has no place in OLP. The key word is "manipulation".
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12-11-2011 , 12:27 PM
What do them strange lines mean on the garph?
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12-11-2011 , 12:32 PM
They are a graphical representation of statistical data.

Don't let it frighten you too much.

All the best.
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12-11-2011 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Truth be told, this is the first I have heard of this. I was kind of busy the past few days training a couple of new stake managers, forming a working relationship with parttimepoker, and signing about 12 new players.
Me me me, I I I. My lord you are the most self absorbed egomaniac. Nobody asked you what you did last few days or could care less you snowed more people into giving you money to teach them to play top 5 hands and only play against the donks.


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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Our website you obsess about (which anyone can visit as they like) can use some work for 2012 in terms of content as for now it does little in terms of business generation compared to our other approaches in the industry. If anyone has some real solid first hand experience with managing essentially a blogging based website feel free to PM me.

Looks like one of us has a lot of time on our hand to follow what goes on in the live tournaments, so be sure to keep watching all those poker TV shows and following all the blogs and twitters and update us.

When you do have some spare time try to clean up that 250 square foot dump you call a home as well, and stop being so angry at the world (and your possessions), you being dirt poor is entirely your own doing.

Good luck to both of us today, you with your shift at Mcdonalds and me with my Pokerstars tournament schedule for buy ins that likely exceeds your lifetime bankroll. I would invite you to watch, but you live in the "land of the free" so for now you cannot.

Feel free to comment on my being a nit and/or a degen as you see fit, since you like to bounce between those two extremes as you make stuff up. Either way, you remain my bitch.

All the best.
Again you deflect an launch into more MSNBC talking points and propaganda, while sticking to the same "Just keep reciting it and maybe it will become true" stuff.

The only bitch here is you. You are Collin's bitch. You clean up after his dogs and are his lackey. It's ok. Like I said you guys aren't poker players. You are bumhunters. Which is great for making a few bucks online but once you get with the big boys you are hitting the exits early like your Dad did at the WPT.

I still can't believe I heard a so called "poker player" complain there were too many good players at his table. That is rich.

Keep calm and carry on.
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12-11-2011 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Me me me, I I I. My lord you are the most self absorbed egomaniac. Nobody asked you what you did last few days or could care less you snowed more people into giving you money to teach them to play top 5 hands and only play against the donks.
Actually you were the one who emerged from your squalor to post about me without prompting today. Not like I started this little thing today, you did.

I assure you until you posted I had pretty much forgotten about you as I typically do between your little temper tantrums, but whenever you decide to have one I figure it is always a good time and place to spin it for some more business (my exchanges with you have been the best in that regard of anyone in this thread, essentially you are my shill).




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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Again you deflect an launch into more MSNBC talking points and propaganda, while sticking to the same "Just keep reciting it and maybe it will become true" stuff.
I have never watched MSNBC in my life. I do not spend 16 hours a day in front of the TV or reading blogs/twitters like you.


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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
The only bitch here is you. You are Collin's bitch. You clean up after his dogs and are his lackey. It's ok. Like I said you guys aren't poker players. You are bumhunters. Which is great for making a few bucks online but once you get with the big boys you are hitting the exits early like your Dad did at the WPT.
Can you manage to sound more like a guy who has never achieved anything in his life in your next post? This post will be a tough one to beat in that regard, but you might be capable of it.

Stop fantasizing and obsessing about other people's lives and just get your own in order already. Drop the drugs you really want legalized. Drop the racism. Get some anger management.

Every word you ever say is anger directed at others in an attempt to being them down to your level. You have never posted a single thing about an accomplishment you have done or anything positive that you can take actual pride in.

Until you get yourself in order all you will be is a guy with no money living in a dirty room, angry and jealous at everything and everybody in the world.


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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
I still can't believe I heard a so called "poker player" complain there were too many good players at his table. That is rich.

Try living your own life at least for a day and see what you can learn from it.

You do actually have a bit of my pity.

Anyway, I am off to play, and you have some french fries to make.

All the best.
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12-11-2011 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You have never posted a single thing about an accomplishment you have done or anything positive that you can take actual pride in.
That's unfair. He doesn't want to boast about getting his 5th star on his McD's badge, it'll make Blatantly******ed jealous
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12-11-2011 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
That's unfair. He doesn't want to boast about getting his 5th star on his McD's badge, it'll make Blatantly******ed jealous
Blatantly******ed can count that high?
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12-11-2011 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
They are a graphical representation of statistical data.

Don't let it frighten you too much.

All the best.
what do you mean with don't let it frighten you to lo much
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12-11-2011 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
if you bluff people into thinking you dont have much of a hand, you can increase the amount they bet therefore increasing the amount you can win
"BlatantlyRigged's Guide to Bluffing" is coming to a bookstore near you, soon!
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Since the deal is in fact rigged, "playing a good game" does not help you at all if the software has you on the rebuy rig up. (doomswitch if you want).
I've already shown you the graphs of 3 players with more than 2 million hands each. They played a "good game". They made large profits. There was no evidence of an up or downswing.
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Receiving the opposite of what you received as far as hands go in the early part of your playing experience, yes.
"BlatantlyRigged's Guide to Non-Sequiturs" is coming to a bookstore near you, soon!
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
True. At the VERY beginning, yes. Give it a few buy-ins.
Right, so bad players lose at the start (because they're bad players), but then after "a few buy-ins" they start winning. Or is it losing? You've said before that the boom/doomswitch doesn't come into effect until you've played for years.

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12-11-2011 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Makes sense, since the manipulation is done individual by individual.
At this very moment, there are 369,796 players logged into Pokerstars. That's roughly four times the population of the Isle of Man, where Pokerstars is based. If they are manipulating the deal "individual by individual", the few hundred staff members must be incredibly busy.
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12-11-2011 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
At this very moment, there are 369,796 players logged into Pokerstars. That's roughly four times the population of the Isle of Man, where Pokerstars is based. If they are manipulating the deal "individual by individual", the few hundred staff members must be incredibly busy.
Either that of the IOM will be sinking into the sea under the weight of all the temporary staff they have employed to do the manipulations.
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12-11-2011 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
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btw average buying on that graph is 17.28$ according to hem and there are 419773 hands played
You've played losing poker for 420,000 hands, and lost around $2000 dollars (basically on a downward trend since hand number 1), and you think that might indicate the game is rigged?
Has it not occurred to you that you might just be not very good at poker?
Even with high-variance games like turbos and hypers, it's almost impossible for a good player to go on a 400,000 hand downswing.
If you posted some stats in the Beginners Questions forum, there will be plenty of people happy to give you advice on how to improve your game. (The All-in EV line is virtually worthless, by the way. Half the poker population - including winners such as myself - are running below EV in all in situations.)
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12-11-2011 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Has it not occurred to you that you might just be not very good at poker?
Rediculous idea!

Everyone is rock solid at poker and the only reason why people lose if because the sites rig the deal.

Obvious, innit?
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12-11-2011 , 03:04 PM
^^^ I'll get me coat.
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12-11-2011 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
You've played losing poker for 420,000 hands, and lost around $2000 dollars (basically on a downward trend since hand number 1), and you think that might indicate the game is rigged?
Has it not occurred to you that you might just be not very good at poker?
Even with high-variance games like turbos and hypers, it's almost impossible for a good player to go on a 400,000 hand downswing.
If you posted some stats in the Beginners Questions forum, there will be plenty of people happy to give you advice on how to improve your game. (The All-in EV line is virtually worthless, by the way. Half the poker population - including winners such as myself - are running below EV in all in situations.)
where did i say the game is rigged for starters (avoided to put it that way on purpose)
don't assume i do nothing to improve my game i invested almost the same amount in that then the number i'm down on playing
BTW how can the ev line be worthless when its showing i got a history of getting screwed while ahead in allin situations alone not even taking into account hands that are played(sucked out ) normally

really trying to keep open minded about this and not claiming that i'm supposed to be a winning player
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12-11-2011 , 03:32 PM
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Actually you were the one who emerged from your squalor to post about me without prompting today. Not like I started this little thing today, you did.
Yes but nobody asked you about your ass backward coaching/stealing. I asked you about Collin. You used it as just another way to glorify yourself. Me me me. I I I.

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I have never watched MSNBC in my life. I do not spend 16 hours a day in front of the TV or reading blogs/twitters like you.
Well you have their MO down to a science. I don't work in Fast Food and don't live in an apartment yet when you are challenged you launch into the same prepared useless propaganda.

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Can you manage to sound more like a guy who has never achieved anything in his life in your next post? This post will be a tough one to beat in that regard, but you might be capable of it.

Stop fantasizing and obsessing about other people's lives and just get your own in order already. Drop the drugs you really want legalized. Drop the racism. Get some anger management.
Right on cue ,with more baseless propaganda a la MSNBC. Don't use drugs and already blew your racism claim out of the water. Going to chase more of my threads down that contain nothing of what you claim?

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Try living your own life at least for a day and see what you can learn from it.

You do actually have a bit of my pity.

Anyway, I am off to play, and you have some french fries to make.
I am doing a great job of it. Which doesn't include whining that 5 pros are at my table being the good bumhunter your Dad and you are. Can you imagine any good poker player saying that? I mean I have to go back to that blog and read it. It's a doozy.

You are nothing bro. Stop thinking you are. You are just another internet grinder who makes a small ROI because you use illegal software and bum hunt. When you try to play live you just nit it up and whine when you don't cash because you are outclassed and can't read anyone and have no idea how they play. If you look at Collin's blog closely you see him whining about that too.
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12-11-2011 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Yes but nobody asked you about your ass backward coaching/stealing. I asked you about Collin. You used it as just another way to glorify yourself. Me me me. I I I.
Actually, your posts from nowhere were about me, not Collin. Let me remind you

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Hey Monteroy this guy knows you!

He is a legend in his own mind.
That was before I even typed a reply to you today.


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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
I don't work in Fast Food and don't live in an apartment yet.
Hopefully one day you will be able to achieve that goal. Guess I overshot the mark on my assumptions about your accomplishments.



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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Right on cue ,with more baseless propaganda a la MSNBC.
Try to go a day without watching so much TV.



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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
I am doing a great job of it. Which doesn't include whining that 5 pros are at my table being the good bumhunter your Dad and you are. Can you imagine any good poker player saying that? I mean I have to go back to that blog and read it. It's a doozy.
Take a few hours of the day to not watch MSNBC or read poker blogs and try to get a job already. Guys like you are a drain on society.



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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
You are nothing bro. Stop thinking you are.
You are the one chasing me down on internet threads from nowhere. Not like I ever start these things. You do.

If I am nothing then the way for you to prove it is to not respond to this and never write to or about me again in future. That's pretty much how I regard you aside from when you do this hissy fit routine of yours at me. You literally cease to matter in every sense of the word, even as a time sink.

Learn from me how to treat people who are nothing to you.

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
You are just another internet grinder who makes a small ROI because you use illegal software and bum hunt.
Heh, you are one of those guys that thinks Holdem Manager is "illegal" even though the sites explicitly allow it's use. No wonder you could never beat the $1 games you played.


Get some counseling, drop the drugs, get a job and and get on with YOUR life already. Stop obsessing so much about everyone elses lives, as that is really pathetic.

All the best.
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12-11-2011 , 05:44 PM
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Actually, your posts from nowhere were about me, not Collin. Let me remind you
Huh? More take your eye off the ball MSNBC stuff. Whatever the case you took a question about something other than yourself and of course made it about you.

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Try to go a day without watching so much TV.
I do plenty of times. MSNBC won't change. It's the same thing day in day out. Or until they run out of money.

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Take a few hours of the day to not watch MSNBC or read poker blogs and try to get a job already. Guys like you are a drain on society.
Have a job. You realize each reply has nothing to do with the quote you are using? Lawrence O'Donnell would love you.

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Heh, you are one of those guys that thinks Holdem Manager is "illegal" even though the sites explicitly allow it's use. No wonder you could never beat the $1 games you played.
Just because an offshore site with no laws allows it doesn't make it legal. In fact you are talking about sites where anything goes. It's ok. Like I said your boy Collin showed us how much of a poker player he is and you are without being able to bumhunt or look up HHs.

Stay calm and carry on.
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12-11-2011 , 06:56 PM
MERGE NETWORK HAS INVALID KAHAWAKE GAMING CERTIFICATES ON ALL SKINS!!!!!
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12-11-2011 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Huh? More take your eye off the ball MSNBC stuff. Whatever the case you took a question about something other than yourself and of course made it about you. I do plenty of times. MSNBC won't change. It's the same thing day in day out. Or until they run out of money. Have a job. You realize each reply has nothing to do with the quote you are using? Lawrence O'Donnell would love you. Just because an offshore site with no laws allows it doesn't make it legal. In fact you are talking about sites where anything goes. It's ok. Like I said your boy Collin showed us how much of a poker player he is and you are without being able to bumhunt or look up HHs. Stay calm and carry on.
Let's do an inventory. You mention MSNBC, some network I have never watched, many more times as if it means something. Bit of a obsessive compulsive thing you got going there. Shame you cannot channel that compulsive thing to cleaning your tiny hovel.

You mention some dude named Lawrence O'Donnell as if that means anything. I assume he is yet another person of some fame/notoriety that you follow all the time.

Then you go on with a ramble about software as if any online poker tracking software would violate laws anywhere in the world. Maybe they should get the border patrols in your neck of the world looking for the guys sneaking in carrying Holdem Manager and Table Ninja.

Then you go on some crazed ramble about how a lack of table selection is why Collin did not cash in a single live event, and not cashing in that one event (where 10% of people who played it cash) is a sign that a poker player must be bad.


Even when you were posting more of your racist/xenophobic hatred stuff you at least had a pattern of thought (albeit a distasteful one). That pattern certainly is gone now, and whatever grip you may have had on reality seems to be fading.

You are in a pretty weird/bad place now where every day the actions of others in the world, whether here, or on NBC, or at some live tournaments, are what matter to you more than anything else.

You do clearly need some help, but truth be told I don't care if you ever get it. Even in this thread nobody else really even talks to you, not even the riggies who talk to everyone. People try hard to avoid you for a reason, and it has nothing to do with your detailed analyses of what you watch on television.

I did mean what I said about how you need to get your life in order and focus on yourself instead of obsessing about everyone else, but that is not something that a guy with your limitations can easily change. Perhaps you should post about your situation and issues in the psychology forum, they may be able to provide better help.

As for this special dynamic we seem to share (nobody else cares about our back and forth, other than when someone else pops in once in a while to call you creepy), it is time to lead by example. While I did have some fun debating with you at times in the past, and I did use you to generate some business, at this point, for your own good, it is time to show how one properly treats a person that has absolutely no meaning at all.

Thus, like a light switch being turned off, so are you. Nothing about you exists any more. Nothing you say matters, not even for amusing debating purposes (the last function you served). Nothing you do matters. You do not matter at all. You will not see me ever post to you because you no longer matter, even for entertainment purposes.

That is how one properly handles someone that would be the target of "you are nothing bro," so that is how you will be treated in the future.

Based on your personality disorder it is safe to assume you will be incapable of the same, so feel free to post whatever you like at this point, whenever you like. If you violate forum rules you will be reported, otherwise do whatever you feel you need to do or say to fill that void that your own life lacks, by living your life through the actions/stories of others.

Bye.

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12-11-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Let's do an inventory. You mention MSNBC, some network I have never watched, many more times as if it means something. Bit of a obsessive compulsive thing you got going there. Shame you cannot channel that compulsive thing to cleaning your tiny hovel.

You mention some dude named Lawrence O'Donnell as if that means anything. I assume he is yet another person of some fame/notoriety that you follow all the time.

Then you go on with a ramble about software as if any online poker tracking software would violate laws anywhere in the world. Maybe they should get the border patrols in your neck of the world looking for the guys sneaking in carrying Holdem Manager and Table Ninja.

Then you go on some crazed ramble about how a lack of table selection is why Collin did not cash in a single live event, and not cashing in that one event (where 10% of people who played it cash) is a sign that a poker player must be bad.


Even when you were posting more of your racist/xenophobic hatred stuff you at least had a pattern of thought (albeit a distasteful one). That pattern certainly is gone now, and whatever grip you may have had on reality seems to be fading.

You are in a pretty weird/bad place now where every day the actions of others in the world, whether here, or on NBC, or at some live tournaments, are what matter to you more than anything else.

You do clearly need some help, but truth be told I don't care if you ever get it. Even in this thread nobody else really even talks to you, not even the riggies who talk to everyone. People try hard to avoid you for a reason, and it has nothing to do with your detailed analyses of what you watch on television.

I did mean what I said about how you need to get your life in order and focus on yourself instead of obsessing about everyone else, but that is not something that a guy with your limitations can easily change. Perhaps you should post about your situation and issues in the psychology forum, they may be able to provide better help.

As for this special dynamic we seem to share (nobody else cares about our back and forth, other than when someone else pops in once in a while to call you creepy), it is time to lead by example. While I did have some fun debating with you at times in the past, and I did use you to generate some business, at this point, for your own good, it is time to show how one properly treats a person that has absolutely no meaning at all.

Thus, like a light switch being turned off, so are you. Nothing about you exists any more. Nothing you say matters, not even for amusing debating purposes (the last function you served). Nothing you do matters. You do not matter at all. You will not see me ever post to you because you no longer matter, even for entertainment purposes.

That is how one properly handles someone that would be the target of "you are nothing bro," so that is how you will be treated in the future.

Based on your personality disorder it is safe to assume you will be incapable of the same, so feel free to post whatever you like at this point, whenever you like. If you violate forum rules you will be reported, otherwise do whatever you feel you need to do or say to fill that void that your own life lacks, by living your life through the actions/stories of others.

Bye.

For someone who is so knowledgeable about poker, so great at poker, making so much money from poker in many different ways and so superior to everyone else in every way, you sure do spend a lot of time in here telling everyone how superior you are.

Most people who are actually awesome and are flying through life, don't feel the need to spend vast amounts of their time belittling other people and telling others just how superior they are.

Makes you wonder.
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12-11-2011 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pocoyo
For someone who is so knowledgeable about poker, so great at poker, making so much money from poker in many different ways and so superior to everyone else in every way, you sure do spend a lot of time in here telling everyone how superior you are.
What can I say, it is a fun activity. Others in this thread simply call other people ******s, so I go for more of a high brow approach.



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Most people who are actually awesome and are flying through life, don't feel the need to spend vast amounts of their time belittling other people and telling others just how superior they are.

Makes you wonder.
Not a lot makes me wonder. Most people are pretty simple with their behavior and agendas, like the one you have had with me in a different thread in the past as any search of your posting history shows ( have to admit I had to search you to discover that as I had no memory of our past exchanges).

Not like you appeared out of nowhere and felt the noble urge to say what you believe is right in your heart, you had a personal agenda, and this was a good time to satisfy that.

That's cool, as that is part of what this thread is about.

Have fun and of course,

All the best.
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12-11-2011 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
You've played losing poker for 420,000 hands, and lost around $2000 dollars (basically on a downward trend since hand number 1), and you think that might indicate the game is rigged?
Has it not occurred to you that you might just be not very good at poker?
Even with high-variance games like turbos and hypers, it's almost impossible for a good player to go on a 400,000 hand downswing.
If you posted some stats in the Beginners Questions forum, there will be plenty of people happy to give you advice on how to improve your game. (The All-in EV line is virtually worthless, by the way. Half the poker population - including winners such as myself - are running below EV in all in situations.)
Havent heard the ol "need to improve your game" line for a while. Wheres the "variance" ploy? Keep up the good work affiliate.
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12-11-2011 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
The main reason why people lose if because the sites rig the deal.

So true. Did you finally get a clue?
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