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Old 06-05-2009, 11:00 PM   #4276
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actually i would like to ask
is there any poker site that is legally allowed to accept american players or do they just allow them still to play ?

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They all can, since it's not illegal, most just choose not to to avoid complications.
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:18 PM   #4277
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Lucky to win over 50% IMO.

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Old 06-05-2009, 11:23 PM   #4278
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They all can, since it's not illegal, most just choose not to to avoid complications.

so without really looking through the full laws

the poker sites are allowed to accept any players following the laws of the the country they base their operations in , ie we have a poker site in malta and we can accept players from the world


but it is illegal for americans to wager whilst in america on online poker ?



australia has some weird laws , australia is allowed to host a poker site but its illegal for an australian to play on that site unless he travels overseas

its illegal for an australian to wager by clicking on the net on an "iinplay " sporting event ( one thats started ) but they are allowed to ring up over the phone and put the bet on ? weird
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:33 PM   #4279
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You are right Monteroy, those you call rigtards and I call "people that feel something is wrong and want to know for sure if it really is wrong or not (thats a pretty long definition)are not alone.

Why do you think theis post has 80K views and 4100 replies? Thats a huge success.

I think I know your answer, because the majority of people are paranoid. But if you call the majority of people paranoid, doesn´t that make YOU the paranoid one?
I use the term riggedologists.

Lots of people are paranoid about all sorts of things. That is their right, and they also have the right to preach or believe whatever they like about all the secret hidden truths in the world within their mind.

Google "lizard people theories" and you get over 200,000 hits. That's a whole lot of people who believe in the lizard people. According to your analysis above, this means it must be true.

Repeat with any conspiracy you can think of. All must then be true.


The irony is in this case of online poker all of what "you feel is wrong" can actually be analyzed via proper mathematical means, and yet one of riggedology's commandments is to never actually do the work that would prove their beliefs. You think that K guy who whines that he loses KK and AA all the time will ever show his database? Of course not because it will show

1) He is making up the data
2) He probably plays the hands quite badly often

For what it is worth, the majority of people and poker players are not paranoid. I only see 1 or 2 times a day a person whining about rigged stuff in actual games and they always tend to be pretty awful players who have no concept of anything beyond a starting hand chart.

AK loses to AQ it must be rigged. Even if 95% of the chips went in after the Q22 flop.

This is a thread about rigged beliefs, so those that do follow the tenants of riggedology will flock to it, along with a couple who assume its a place to post a meaningless bad beat blog. Start a thread about 9/11 and I bet it could be even bigger if allowed to exist here.

The fact you regard the size of this thread to prove something shows the flaw in your logic. Likely fewer then 1 in 100 people who play online even know this thread exists.

Anyway, good luck with your riggedology studies. Remember to always offer vague beliefs and never, ever offer actual data (other then a couple of cherry picked bad beat hands).

All the best.
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:41 PM   #4280
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too many beers - It has never been illegal to play online poker in the United States, and isn't today. A few states (4 or 5) have made laws that do prohibit playing online poker, and those are all being challenged and are unenforceable anyway, and have never resulted in a single arrest.

Unfortunately you are not alone in being misinformed. What is illegal is operating an online poker site business from within the U.S., and it is also prohibited for most banks to transfer money to online gambling sites (UIGEA), but that isn't enforced yet either.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:17 AM   #4281
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too many beers - It has never been illegal to play online poker in the United States, and isn't today. A few states (4 or 5) have made laws that do prohibit playing online poker, and those are all being challenged and are unenforceable anyway, and have never resulted in a single arrest.

Unfortunately you are not alone in being misinformed. What is illegal is operating an online poker site business from within the U.S., and it is also prohibited for most banks to transfer money to online gambling sites (UIGEA), but that isn't enforced yet either.


ok cheers
yer i cant see them locking up 10 million people
its the same as in australia , technically you arent allowed to gamble online , but they have magazines promoting online tournaments , local pub games that are sponsored by online sites
the laws that were rushed into australia where pushed in by the tab (they had the monopoly of all horse betting in the country and they rushed through the laws with friends in politics to stop betfair bringing their betting exchange to australia , the laws where so badly written that it even stopped the residents of sydney the home of rugby from entering a free online tipping contest to win a car


ive personally written , signed petitions , rang government officials ( local council promising votes etc to try and get poker fully regulated and run with a watchdog similar to those that watch over casinos
it would be fantastic to 100% know that everything is above board , money is safe and etc , ahh for a perfect world


im gonna get flamed for an above post , but ill live with it
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:35 AM   #4282
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in america its illegal to play online poker , a lot of people here still do ? why they think the law is stupid , they hide their playing so they dont get caught , lie to the banks about where their checks come from , so these people who are breaking the law because they make money ? if the poker players themselves are breaking the law , why should i take the opinion of a lawbreaker that everything is above board with a site ?

didnt do my research
ive been told its only 5 states which have banned it
copping it on the chin

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Old 06-06-2009, 01:09 AM   #4283
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Clearly rigged and honestly its not even close
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:26 AM   #4284
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Clearly not rigged and, honestly, it's not even close.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:43 AM   #4285
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Clearly it might be rigged and, honestly it might not be, it's not even close.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:57 AM   #4286
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Why is it that when somebody runs good at one table, they generally run good at every table they are on and vice versa.
Why do the players I have labeled solid regs consistently have less in front of them than the players labeled suspicious donkey.
Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again.
Why do I lose multiple buy ins every single Friday at FTP.
Why after a long break do I have a 2k+ weekend, followed by a dry spell of several weeks.
Why do I always lose the hands where i hit the flop the hardest.
How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly.
Why is spadebidder the only non-rigtard providing a solid argument, while the rest belittle the rigtards and spew nonsense about lizard people.
Why is every site based in an obscure location, having to answer to nobody.
Any guesses?
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:16 AM   #4287
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Why is it that when somebody runs good at one table, they generally run good at every table they are on and vice versa.
they dont?

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Why do the players I have labeled solid regs consistently have less in front of them than the players labeled suspicious donkey.
you're bad at labeling?

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Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again.
they dont?

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Why do I lose multiple buy ins every single Friday at FTP.
drinking to much?

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Why after a long break do I have a 2k+ weekend, followed by a dry spell of several weeks.
take long breaks after 2k weekends?

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Why do I always lose the hands where i hit the flop the hardest.
bad post flop play?

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How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly.
redepositing?

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Why is spadebidder the only non-rigtard providing a solid argument, while the rest belittle the rigtards and spew nonsense about lizard people.
he must like running into walls?

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Why is every site based in an obscure location, having to answer to nobody.
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because gambling is a sin in the US.?

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Old 06-06-2009, 03:02 AM   #4288
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Why is it that when somebody runs good at one table, they generally run good at every table they are on and vice versa.
Why do the players I have labeled solid regs consistently have less in front of them than the players labeled suspicious donkey.
Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again.Why do I lose multiple buy ins every single Friday at FTP.
Why after a long break do I have a 2k+ weekend, followed by a dry spell of several weeks.
Why do I always lose the hands where i hit the flop the hardest.
How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly.Why is spadebidder the only non-rigtard providing a solid argument, while the rest belittle the rigtards and spew nonsense about lizard people.
Why is every site based in an obscure location, having to answer to nobody.
Any guesses?

Good post!

"Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again." Probably poker room bots.



"How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly." Some kind of cheat to keep them playing.

I had the opportunity to play at a local poker room live in my city few weeks after they opened. Before the live poker was against law here.

In the beggining there was lots of really big fishs, they didnt even know the hands hierarchy very well.

As the times passsd the fishes become rare. Nowaday you see some fishs playing but what happens is that they play for a while, lose a lot of money trought months and them they just disappear. Never come back.

If online poker room would let the EV in its normal range they would go broke very fast because the flow of money would go from the worse players to the best players very fast. Many more times faster than in an live situation, because online everything is faster, even if you play just one table.

So, I believe its just impossible to poker room to survive without some kind of slowing down the flow of money. How they do that I dont know.

It not affect the winning player, the good player will win regularly, but never at the same rate as if he was playing live.
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If sites wanted to stop winning players from taking money from bad player to fast, there are about a dozen ways they could do it without rigging the RNG or the game.
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If sites wanted to stop winning players from taking money from bad player to fast, there are about a dozen ways they could do it without rigging the RNG or the game.

Really?? Tell me 5 and I will be rigmazed!
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If sites wanted to stop winning players from taking money from bad player to fast, there are about a dozen ways they could do it without rigging the RNG or the game.
how else would they do it ?
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:18 AM   #4292
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:40 AM   #4293
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Good post!

"Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again." Probably poker room bots.



"How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly." Some kind of cheat to keep them playing.

I had the opportunity to play at a local poker room live in my city few weeks after they opened. Before the live poker was against law here.

In the beggining there was lots of really big fishs, they didnt even know the hands hierarchy very well.

As the times passsd the fishes become rare. Nowaday you see some fishs playing but what happens is that they play for a while, lose a lot of money trought months and them they just disappear. Never come back.

If online poker room would let the EV in its normal range they would go broke very fast because the flow of money would go from the worse players to the best players very fast. Many more times faster than in an live situation, because online everything is faster, even if you play just one table.

So, I believe its just impossible to poker room to survive without some kind of slowing down the flow of money. How they do that I dont know.

It not affect the winning player, the good player will win regularly, but never at the same rate as if he was playing live.


the only thing regarding losing players i will say for not going to the casino over and over is its an effort , u have to change ya cash , it hurts to go to the atm , and tell ya friends i lost i lost , when you are at home , you can deposit over and over again without telling anyone , and u never see the cash in ya hand
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:40 AM   #4294
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It's funny how making a final table will untilt you after a full week of getting screwed. Honestly nobody here knows for sure if these sites are legit, but it's not in our best interest to trash them and scare away the fish. If these sites are cheating they probably have some ingenious program in place that we will never figure out, and are unlikely to change their ways. Nothing good can come out of it other than blowing off steam. I think I'll buy a punching bag instead.
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:44 AM   #4295
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:48 AM   #4296
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Really?? Tell me 5 and I will be rigmazed!
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how else would they do it ?
Honestly how long have you guys been playing?

Stop multitabling
No software (huds, ect)
Get rid of HU & short handed tables
Get rid of NL/PL games
Go back to everyone playing FL stud

In fact, I'm pretty sure every one of these listed has happend over the past 25 years and has been proven to hurt the games. I know for a fact about the first 3 because I have seen it happen over the past few years, and it did hurt the games..

Honestly do you know what I would give to go back to 04 and play on pacific poker when you could only play 1 table. That place was like some alternate deminsion where people were scared of chips.
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Why is it when someone is in with the worst in like a 3/4 person shove they win almost 50% of the time?
can you show ANY evidence of that? not even good evidence, just some?
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Why is it that when somebody runs good at one table, they generally run good at every table they are on and vice versa.
Why do the players I have labeled solid regs consistently have less in front of them than the players labeled suspicious donkey.
Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again.
Why do I lose multiple buy ins every single Friday at FTP.
Why after a long break do I have a 2k+ weekend, followed by a dry spell of several weeks.
Why do I always lose the hands where i hit the flop the hardest.
How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly.
Why is spadebidder the only non-rigtard providing a solid argument, while the rest belittle the rigtards and spew nonsense about lizard people.
Why is every site based in an obscure location, having to answer to nobody.
Any guesses?
Nice Post.

I think I know why. $$$$$$$$$$
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:04 AM   #4299
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This is how not random it is.

Have KK. Buddy is over. "You want to see KK lose?"

pre, JJ. perfect. "don't worry that J is coming on the river"

Yup, its as real as the WWE.
OK, I'm convinced.

The sites are rigging it against AA, KK and QQ.

So simply stop playing those hands as you are obviously not going to win with them and modify your play of hands that the sites rig to beat AA, etc.

Go away and try it and after you've given it a go for, oh, say, 20,000 hands, come back and tell us how your stats have improved.

Imagaine what a hero you'll be when we can all change our playing patterns to match yours and improve our own returns.

You will achieve your proper status as a poker god!
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Why is it that when somebody runs good at one table, they generally run good at every table they are on and vice versa.
Why do the players I have labeled solid regs consistently have less in front of them than the players labeled suspicious donkey.
Why do new players and unknowns get unreasonably lucky time and time again.
Why do I lose multiple buy ins every single Friday at FTP.
Why after a long break do I have a 2k+ weekend, followed by a dry spell of several weeks.
Why do I always lose the hands where i hit the flop the hardest.
How did the fish survive this long in a game where they should lose relatively quickly.
Why is spadebidder the only non-rigtard providing a solid argument, while the rest belittle the rigtards and spew nonsense about lizard people.
Why is every site based in an obscure location, having to answer to nobody.
Any guesses?
This is just the way the lizard people have decreed it will be.

Just accept it and enjoy the plentiful supply of ice cream sammiches that the lizard people provide for those who don't cause trouble.
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