[QUOTE=Arouet;29744171]I'm curious then to what you believe happened?



I don't make anything of them. Not sure how this shows rigging, unless you think that such swings should not happen in poker.



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And yet AGAIN. Why do you waste your time with these posts in this thread?
Only people in here are shills, and people that already know OLP is rigged. (Which would INCLUDE the shills). Come on!

Possible.

You could validate my efforts by actually trying to have a serious conversation about this stuff - wouldn't you like me to have a good answer to Monteroy when he chides me for actually trying to speak logically to you?

I don't think you're a troll like raymears, and you probably really do believe its rigged, so why not actually engage seriously in the topic, rather than just post one-liners without any kind of substance?

I have before. At this point ill only discuss this subject with real players who have enough sense to know the deal is manipulated or newer players wondering why the same strange things happen to them as with every other player.

As I've said, you really haven't. You've said basically what you think is going on, but you refuse to discuss how to verify that your perceptions are accurate.

You give nothing to a newer player to go on other than to trust you. Your directions to players to open their eyes to see what is obvious doesn't really give any direction at all. If what you are perceiving is going on you give no one who is not already convinced any reason to believe you.

Further, you give no direction to the newcomer of why you actually disagree with what the "shills" write other than to blanketly call it lies. You refuse to critically analyse any argument made. You say you disagree without saying why you disagree.

To me, it just seems like you don't really have any substance to your views, but you believe them anyway, based on gut instinct and a dislike of the site owners. Now, my perception may be inacurrate. You may have fully fleshed out and reliable reasons for having the beliefs that you do, but if you don't describe them for anyone why should anyone believe you? How should we evaluate the claims of someone who refuses to back them up?

Possible? He must be if he is saying PS is probably fair. He'd have to be a site promotor, shill, afilliate not to see it wouldn't he? It is obvious to anyone who has played.

AIPF. Hoooooooooold!



LOL.

Actually, you're a half decent troll - you can be quite clever at times!

Rigtards, quick! Who was the favorite in this hand?

I play at carbon poker. I have to tell you that i have dropped over 2k the last month and ahalf and I will guarantee you that i was ahead in 80 percent or better of races and some how lost the hand. It is highly improbable to me that it would consistantly lose ahead 75 percent to better to win I have concerns about more than several regular players( i think bots ,or worse somehow know the hand result) who either always seem to avoid all draws or always draw out against me. I cant trust that every time im in a race ahead I somehow lose the hand. It is beyon frustrating. The hand always seems to be taylor made for me to commit and somehow still lose. I dont buy it anymore. Its gotten to the point (the beatings) that . I think I am a solid player, but I have become the butt of jokes about how bad I am whena few years back I was actally feared at the tables. Something smells at carbon poker. If anyone has these similar experiences there please post. I mostly play plo. and for you schills spreading propoganda for the site dont bother. The way I have lost the last 2 mos. has convinced me that there is a concerted effort to get my money.

If only there was some way to actually show this. Dammit science! Solid players don't usually drop $1k a month unless they're on a downswing. People often try to get fish's money, so...

I have a list of people i regularily play against who always seem to avoid major draws or always draw out. One guy in particular s00s00s plays plo he consitantly hits what he raises with or always gets there in a hand in a race where i or others are a huge favorite.Before these last 2 losing months I was a consistant winner. I play plo low stakes. I have seen my account drained to the tune of 2k playing low limits the last month and a half. I always lose in a race where i am ahead and a huge favorite . either runner runne or the miracle riv always takes my hand down. something strange is going on at carbon. I know there will be those who will say I am just a sore loser or a nut(i know that 90 percent of you either work for or are affiliated with the site or other sites and are spreading propoganda). I am not talking bout 15-20 percent suckouts . I am talking about hands where I am 85 percent or better to win but only winning 10-15 percent of the time. That is not random. If there is anyone who plays at carbon who has concerns about the way they have been consitantly beaten ahead in a race especially against a select few regulars please post names of those players , especially plo players who always seem to guess right on ahand . Who raise a hand and always win with that hand. who call a hand and always get there. Its time to find out whats behind the curtain. I know I am not the only one out there.

the obvious site shill makes his response . now how about someone who doesnt work for the site .

I don't suppose you have any actual stats other than your gut feeling?

what do i need stats for. I play the hands i know the results. I could post a million hands on here that all end the same way, would it make a difference for the shills ? You would just come up with more bs about this or that to diffuse what is actually happening. you guys think u are so slick. I know what hole u climb out of, and what your agenda is for posting on here.

Try not to be so obvious next time .

By "the site", what exactly do you mean? I'm just curious as to who I should put down under "Employer" on my tax forms.
There's this insane thing called "evidence". How do you know that in the last 2 months of play you've lost 80% of the time when you're ahead? Are you Rain Main?

Because that's the way to find out if its rigged.

I'm sensing troll here: gimmick account? (this is a compliment to you, I think you're probably too smart to think that you could accurately track results in your head for thousands of hands)

Probably

can you point out any examples of bs and why you think its bs? (assuming you're not a troll)

What do agendas matter? Don't the arguments speak for themselves? If I'm wrong about any argument I've made, I'll correct it. I'm not an expert on these matters either.

All I did was ask you if you have actual stats - do you think that someone who is not paid by the sites wouldn't wonder that?

Insert pictures of Jesus gftw

it's amazing your so confident that a site run by known criminals, a site thats majority owner is hiding somewhere between somewhere and nowhere would provide you with a fair RNG. A site that comitted bank fraud. They bribed, money laundered ect ect but you don't think when they invited those 4 little auditing grease balls to * audit* the software back in 2002 in the back room in a small little island getaway with no rules or regulations ( bank fraud was comitted in a big land of rules and laws) that it all took place legite. OF COURSE!!!! All except the part where the RNG is ONLY checked to the shuffle. What happens after that is up to pokerstars. Of course you shills NEVER address this RNG to the shuffle audit. No NO why would you. Theres the proof there

blah blah blah . shill not sure why u care so much hmmmm. oh ya I guess I do. Maybe this is your job. Or maybe you have nothing better to do than sit at these forums waiting for someone like myself to post the truth so you can come in and do what you get paid to do.Its no secret who you really are , the more you post the more you expose yourself. I am who i am. A consistant loser ahead in a race. Who the fk are u really? As if I don't already know.

It is painfully obvious why you respond in this forum.

33 is in 3rd place equity preflop, not even a bad beat. And lol at calling behind two other all-ins with 33.

I'm not. I am confident, though, that if it is being rigged to an extent that affects player behaviour, that there should be evidence of it. I also think that if there's no evidence of it, that there's no reason to believe its rigged.


I do think they probably did that. But that doesn't mean you can throw anything them. It's just not a proper argument. There are an infinite number of bad things they could have possibly done. The mere fact they did some bad things does not mean they did every bad thing out there. Do you disagree?

My interest in this thread is more about critical thinking and chatting with people who I don't think are being very critical in their thinking. It's entertainment and work procrastination. If I'm not going to be posting on this forum, it'll be on another forum, or just browsing. I like taking short mental breaks at work and being a forum junkie meets that need. You can google my username and the word post and you'll find other forums I'm a reg on.

My job involves sitting at a computer most of the day. I'm also often on the phone - please don't tell the people I talk to that I'm sometimes checking my subscribed threads pages while talking to them! My boss would not be particularly happy that i'm posting while I should be working either, so please don't tell him either!

What does it really matter who I am? My posts speak for themselves. If you disagree with something I write, you can explain why. I don't present myself as an expert on anything and never ask people to just take my word for it.

You guys seem to think that attacking people's motives are the same as finding flaws in their arguments. It's not the same thing.

It is painfully obvious why you respond in this forum.[/QUOTE]

bottom line . you are employed by olp to diffuse any negative comments about olp. you do sit at a computer all day.Pouring over these forums, for your chance to rebut any negative comments about olp over 5,300 posts

Wonder why someone would find the need to post over 5,300 times about anything he wasn't being paid to do. Let me respond for you as if this wouldn't have been your response.

Oh ya you are a forum junkie

tsktsktsk lil man

Tell your boss at olp ou deserve a raise, you do a great job. keep up the good work

If youre being sincere, please look up my posts. Go back a ways, and find where ive explained myself a FEW times. I keep repeating the same experiences over and over. Its gets old.
Maybe try finding one that explains the cycling of old money to new money, etc?
Im not one that believes the site is rigged primarily for action(in general). It might look that way, but there is a reason for that.

Now, about Monteroy. I could care less what he thinks or says. He lives off financing people that are "boomswitched", while conning them into thinking his coaching is the reason they keep winning. He needs to lie about the game not being rigged for his own good.

So, you can only be honest when youre being sartastic I see.

No need to second guess yourself. This happens to EVERYONE, at EVERY site. Go to a poker forum with real players and not a 90% count of site promoters like this one. You will see what Im talking about. (Happened to me, also.). RNG, LOL LOL!!!!!

Yep, you called that one! Well done. Mr. Octashill was on your post with his B.S. within 15 minutes!

A real player with common sense and good judgement! You are a welcome relief to this site promoter infested thread, sir.!

Problems with 2nd grade math? What he is saying REALLY isnt that hard to remember. He might be off a few %, so what.

You are hitting to close to home with the truth. Spadebidder had to show up it was so critical. Keep up the good work!
Every shill, employee, etc. will be here soon.

Good one Arouet, you got me! I actually thought for a second we might have a real discussion on how OLP is rigged.
But, there you go with the stats, HH's garbage. Got me good that time.

Wonder why someone would find the need to post over 5,300 times about anything he wasn't being paid to do. Let me respond for you as if this wouldn't have been your response.[/quote]

Let's see how good your research skills are. There's an easy way to find out how many posts I have in this thread. (hint: it's not 5300)

And I've responded to you when you've done that - but then you bring up some excuse not to take the discussion any further. if you are sincere why not continue the discussion?

Like I said: all you've done is explain what you think you've observed, you've made no effort to substantiate it. All you say is: it's obvious! that's not an argument.

And again now you are refusing to elaborate!

Incidentally mike: why don't you also look up what percentage of BR's posts are in this thread, and let us know what conclusions you draw from that!


Indeed you probably are repeating the same experiences over and over, but you're also on the lookout for certain things. You haven't said how you control for confirmation bias, which every human suffers from. But you don't recognize that confirmation bias even exists! How do you trust your own conclusions?

I'm just trying to prod you into sticking your neck out a bit and trying to substantiate your allegations. Instead you're just going to continue insulting people and telling everyone how obvious it is. What I don't get is why are you satisfied with that? If you're sincere?

Guess so.

blatantly rigged is dead on. Its that fact thats has u guys scurrying like lil rats doing damage control posting bs to confuse the real issue. Hey listen I wouldnt be here posting for the 10-20 percent bad beats that are to be expected. My beef is when i'm favored 85 percent or better to win but i'm only winning 10-15 percent of those hands, that just doesnt add up.Did you know I've become a fortune teller since losing started? Yeah I can tell u what card is going to come on riv every time I'm ahead in a race. Funny thing is my gift only works at olp

I'm 100% sure I'm neither a shill or employee for any site, so you were 99% wrong, as usual. I'm just your run-of-the-mill recreational grinder trying to make some pocket money while learning to deal with the ups and downs associated with standard variance.
Today, I flopped top set w/ TT on a two-tone board. I check-raised all in, pretty much certain villain had aces, as he'd 3-bet pre-flop after I'd raised under the gun. Villain called my shove and hit runner runner spades to make the nut flush. It was one of the worst bad beats that's happened to me for a while, but these things happen. I had 86% equity when I put my stack on the line, but villain sucked out. That's poker, not a rigged RNG.