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Old 01-02-2009, 04:20 PM   #376
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

yesterday in a live game I limped utg with Ks10S 3 limpers flop As Js Qs checked around 9s river qh I flopped a royal flush other player had quad queens. we hit the jackpot. Thats only the second time since playing 20+ hours a week since 04 that Ive hit a royal flush none the less flopped it. But on full tilt in tournaments I have hit it 3 times this year.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:40 PM   #377
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Has anyone ever seen this? So degenerate!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r89tSAxAu0c
FYP.

I will say this once:

SHUT UP AND GROW UP. LEARN THE GAME. LEARN THE MATH. WORK HARDER. VARIANCE IS A REALITY. THIS AIN'T CHECKERS. YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE RESULTS. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. STOP COMPLAINING. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN. MAKE MONEY.

I mean it well (seriously).
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:58 PM   #378
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

It depends of your intelligence and of the amount of your experience from other online poker sites. If you think the cards run normally or not normally at more or less of the online sites, when having played enough hands at many of them, then that's your view about it.

Practically no-one on this forum will see the patterns even in cases where they are very clear. So, it's only something you see. If you then doubt what you see, that's up to you.

The most usual poster who posts something about the games being rigged, is a rather simple man (because most players are such), and, it seems, in cases pretending to be a ******. The remaining of the players are small time players or otherwise blind.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:05 PM   #379
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Nathan is this study printed somewhere other than this forum?
I found it on 2 Yahoo Message Boards, both w/o any documentation.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:30 PM   #380
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Over 57,000 individual hands made up the study sample.
LOL.... that a good solid week of play for some of us.

This is the same as taking a water sample a mile offshore from the Hudson River and saying it is representative of the water quality in the entire Atlantic Ocean. Rigged indeed.
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Old 01-03-2009, 03:09 AM   #381
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

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Diamonddog, as I said read my post then answer. I never once said I was a good player!
I did read your post. You said, I think, that you'd been a winner all your life, and without reading a single book. That immediately makes you a much better player than me. I didn't want you to think that my refusal to sit down and play with you was because I somehow felt myself superior in the skill department.

OK, so let's talk about variance.

Let's imagine a typical scenario. You flop top pair, decent kicker. You have three opponents. One of them has a flush draw (9 outs), another has second pair (5 outs) and the other has top pair, but with a crappy kicker (3 outs).

That's 17 outs you need to dodge, twice, in order for your best hand on the flop to stand up.

You're a substantial underdog. Someone will suck out roughly 70% of the time.

In effect, it's you that's drawing, not them.

I still claim that in the long run those games are insanely profitable but the losing streaks can be horrible, for sure.
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:27 AM   #382
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

you just have to trust us that major poker site is not rigged.
if they cheat, we'll catching them (AB and UB)
not sure how many 2+2 is playing PKR, but i would think enough to see it's not rigged.
variance is brutal.
it is very hard to accept sometimes...i'm mean WTF right.
as soon as you accept this fact, and start working on your game, you'll see improvement.
two thing you need to trust us.
1. it's not rigged
2. whatever amazing beat you get in that 200hr. it's nothing compare to what most of us have been to.
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:45 AM   #383
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That's right, after over 200 hours of playing micro limits I have absolutely no doubt that the cards are rigged for the crap players!

Be lucky!!
uh, how have you even played enough hands in those 2 months. from what I recall you can only play 4 tables on pkr with like.. avg 35 hands per hour os something stupid. I just ran - over 40k hands despite playing well and having good stats. Then I picked it back up over the next 5k hands. You can play what, 5k hands in 2 WEEKS?. Come back in a year... and phil hellmuth book? haha.. hahahaha................hahaha.... I wish all my opponents were play poker like the pro'ers.
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:17 AM   #384
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you just have to trust us that major poker site is not rigged.
if they cheat, we'll catching them (AB and UB)
not sure how many 2+2 is playing PKR, but i would think enough to see it's not rigged.
variance is brutal.
it is very hard to accept sometimes...i'm mean WTF right.
as soon as you accept this fact, and start working on your game, you'll see improvement.
two thing you need to trust us.
1. it's not rigged
2. whatever amazing beat you get in that 200hr. it's nothing compare to what most of us have been to.
I HATE reasonable replies to rigtards. Please refrain from them in the future.

Now bring back the wild theories and tough-guy challenges!

(btw, why would OP think he'd beat people HU on PKR unless he's a "crap player?")
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:54 PM   #385
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(And how come one never makes "Internet pokers is rigged in my favor" posts?)
Okay, I'll oblidge you. Poker is obviously rigged in my favor. The more I play the more money I have in my account. What other explination could there be?
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:05 AM   #386
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who cares
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:07 AM   #387
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I just proved that micro limits are not rigged, for further proof I played this sesh today before I even saw this thread, sorry OP, but the proof is in the pudding....read and weep

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Old 01-08-2009, 05:29 AM   #388
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I just proved that micro limits are not rigged, for further proof I played this sesh today before I even saw this thread, sorry OP, but the proof is in the pudding....read and weep

I obviously don't think it's rigged but I hardly think pudding proof is 94 hands.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:09 AM   #389
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I obviously don't think it's rigged but I hardly think pudding proof is 94 hands.
I think you may be missing the sarcasm mode
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:46 PM   #390
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I think you may be missing the sarcasm mode
Thanks for the update big ben.
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:03 PM   #391
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Thanks for the update big ben.
No problem Forrest
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:17 PM   #392
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:36 PM   #393
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Incidently was heads up today and had pocket aces, guess what? so did the other player! Odds 270000/1. Now if I was playing heads up all the time I would say well it's gonna come up sooner than later.
I checked my PT3 db. I've only got 76K hands total, which is a drop in the bucket for some of the grinders around here, and I've had AA v AA 3 times already (2 chops and I lost one to a flush). It's a total fluke. Statistical variance. I may not see AA v AA again for my next 500K hands.

Any single example of a particular card combination means nothing. I'd say AA v AA is seen up more often because this combo's getting it in PF every time. How many 22 v 22 hands never get to showdown?
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:44 PM   #394
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but was it on PKR?
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:12 PM   #395
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I checked my PT3 db. I've only got 76K hands total, which is a drop in the bucket for some of the grinders around here, and I've had AA v AA 3 times already (2 chops and I lost one to a flush). It's a total fluke. Statistical variance. I may not see AA v AA again for my next 500K hands.
The probability of seeing your preflop AA against another preflop AA in 76K hands, assuming you played them at a 10-handed table, is that you should see it 2.53 times. So you are almost dead on it. The odds are about 30,000:1.

This is another example of a complete misinterpretation of poker odds leading to bad conclusions.
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:22 PM   #396
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The probability of seeing your preflop AA against another preflop AA in 76K hands, assuming you played them at a 10-handed table, is that you should see it 2.53 times. So you are almost dead on it. The odds are about 30,000:1.

This is another example of a complete misinterpretation of poker odds leading to bad conclusions.
Good call, thx. I should learn to bother actually calculating odds, and just not just assume they're "very very small."
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:20 PM   #397
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Good call, thx. I should learn to bother actually calculating odds, and just not just assume they're "very very small."
Here's this calculation to start you off (you may know this already):

There are 1326 2-card hands in holdem. AA has 6 ways to make because you have 4 suits (sc sh sd ch cd hd). So you get AA 6/1326 or once in 221 hands, on average. The 50 cards left in the deck contain 2 aces, so with 2 Aces gone an AA hand will be dealt to an opponent C(50,2) or once in 1225 hands. Remember that with your hand known, every opponent is being dealt from 1225 possible other hands, you'll use that number over and over when you do these things. With 9 opponents, they all have an equal chance to get that AA, so 9/1225 is once in 136 deals that one of them will get AA with two Aces left in the deck. So for you to have AA AND an opponent to have AA, you take the product to get the probability of both events occuring. So 136*221 is once in 30,056 deals (at a 10-player table).

Also note that if we don't confine this to you specifically, but allow for any two opponents to have an AA vs. AA matchup, then we divide the 221 by 10 players and get every 22 deals (which is 220 hands) for the first AA, then do the same math as before for the remaining opponents, or 136*22 = once in 2992 deals for two random opponents to have an AA vs. AA matchup preflop at a 10-handed table.

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Old 01-08-2009, 05:30 PM   #398
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tl;dr

also, none of that applies to PKR
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:45 PM   #399
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Stay away from B2B

I have grinded poker for 4 years, last 2 years professionally. Ive never written a post about the rigg. Ive laughed at people doing it. After trying B2B network I am a new bitter person. There is a real rigg at B2B, there is no other possibility of what I have seen during my last 30 000 hands. It is not variance, it is something else. For example I lost to 5 1outers, 10 2outers, and 4 4outers in a 5 hour session.

Its real people. Dont play at B2B.

Flame away.
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Old 01-11-2009, 04:29 PM   #400
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one day you will run worse than you ever thought before. 30k hands is nothing. **** happens. get over it.
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