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Old 05-28-2009, 01:46 PM   #3901
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Watch it PokErasmus, if you can't contain your emotions take a break from posting in this thread. Swearing at other posters could end up getting you banned and then we would all lose the entertainment of getting a glimpse into your paranoid world.
I was not aware swearing is not allowed in the poker community where the fraud and cheat - that exists in the form of unaudited poker software, unregulated offshore operation, hiding from authorities and unfair game- are accepted and rigorously defended. Thanks for pointing out that.

If the swearing triggers the penalty of post prohibition, then individuals who trying to stop the conversation about rigged poker sites by answering our rig theories with Monty Python type crusader attacks, with personal rants and flooding this valuable thread with monoton repeats of the multimillion hand analysis and probability nonsense (the rigged state of software makes that otherwise sensible topics nonsense) must be punished by b...g their a..s.

Please let us freely discuss, freely exchange information about the fraud committed by poker site operator criminals, please not bombard us with hypocrite and cynical comments, and I can guaranty the pissed off players will stop swearing.
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:57 PM   #3902
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No, it wouldn’t show up. Would the EV value change if the Oxford university mathematics faculty enters in the game and the number of winners would increase? Obviously not. Likewise the EV value remains the same if the number of winners increase because of the bot software accounts.
I have no idea what that analogy is supposed to show, I don't even understand the analogy at all.

If the site is cheating by using bots or "superuser" accounts, then you are correct that it would not show up in the EV tools. However, if the site is cheating by having designated accounts get better cards in any way, then it would. That is what why I quoted the part of your post that claimed that designated accounts would get the cards they need in the post you just quoted me in.
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:58 PM   #3903
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Live poker is rigged...Chris Moneymaker, Jamie Gold...
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:03 PM   #3904
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:08 PM   #3905
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I was not aware swearing is not allowed in the poker community where the fraud and cheat - that exists in the form of unaudited poker software, unregulated offshore operation, hiding from authorities and unfair game- are accepted and rigorously defended. Thanks for pointing out that.

You weren't aware swearing was not allowed in this forum? Ever stop to think about why it gets censored when you post it?

For the record, you have only provided entertainment to those reading this thread. Don't kid yourself into thinking that any rational thinking human takes you seriously. You are simply a jester. But by all means carry on.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:11 PM   #3906
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I have no idea what that analogy is supposed to show, I don't even understand the analogy at all.
That is because his mind works differently. That guy is not the standard riggedologist that is a bad player who rationalizes his losses. He is genuinely deeply paranoid to the point of likely needing medical supervision.

Spade eventually realized what I suggested earlier that guys like these are seriously not fun to even interact with in any way, unlike some of the relatively saner riggedologists.

Frankly, I would not even call this guy a riggedologist since I am sure he has similar paranoid delusions about all sorts of stuff. No doubt he has some masterful theories about 9/11, Aliens, the current economic downturn, bigfoot, JFK etc.

Note that not a single other riggedologist has even supported anything he says, and they support new posters who post 2 bad beats as proof. This guy even creeps them out.

There is absolutely zero point in debating a person that genuinely disturbed, even for entertainment value because he will never give up and will stay on anyone who gives him the slightest bit of attention until the end of time.

Best to just leave them be with their thoughts.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:35 PM   #3907
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It must be semi-serious as it is tragicomic that we suckers keep putting the money in the Israeli-Russian mafia pocket.
what's really sad and funny is if YOU keep putting money into their pocket since you KNOW better. we're just ignorant sheep.

oh, btw, Wrestling Skeptic was banned on the fictitious premise he had "double-posted." I don't think he did, but is that really reason to give him the Stephen Meares treatment?
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:40 PM   #3908
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You weren't aware swearing was not allowed in this forum? Ever stop to think about why it gets censored when you post it?

For the record, you have only provided entertainment to those reading this thread. Don't kid yourself into thinking that any rational thinking human takes you seriously. You are simply a jester. But by all means carry on.
You are cynical and similarly to the ranting site defenders you are unable to deny: the industry is unregulated, site operators are hiding their not audited infrastructure at offshore data centres, the integrity of their system is not verified. Until the integrity of the game is not verified by a comprehensive and publicly reviewable audit the rig theories will exist.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:42 PM   #3909
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You are cynical and similarly to the ranting site defenders you are unable to deny: the industry is unregulated, site operators are hiding their not audited infrastructure at offshore data centres, the integrity of their system is not verified. Until the integrity of the game is not verified by a comprehensive and publicly reviewable audit the rig theories will exist.
Not your best work PokErasmus, not your best work at all.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:47 PM   #3910
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:01 PM   #3911
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That is because his mind works differently. That guy is not the standard riggedologist that is a bad player who rationalizes his losses. He is genuinely deeply paranoid to the point of likely needing medical supervision.

Spade eventually realized what I suggested earlier that guys like these are seriously not fun to even interact with in any way, unlike some of the relatively saner riggedologists.

Frankly, I would not even call this guy a riggedologist since I am sure he has similar paranoid delusions about all sorts of stuff. No doubt he has some masterful theories about 9/11, Aliens, the current economic downturn, bigfoot, JFK etc.

Note that not a single other riggedologist has even supported anything he says, and they support new posters who post 2 bad beats as proof. This guy even creeps them out.

There is absolutely zero point in debating a person that genuinely disturbed, even for entertainment value because he will never give up and will stay on anyone who gives him the slightest bit of attention until the end of time.

Best to just leave them be with their thoughts.
From you just the usual frustrated schrizophenic rant without any substances or meaningful material.

If pointing out based on evidences that sites operates outside of the control of the authority, if pointing out based on evidences that the sites have never provided a full, credible, comprehensive IT audit report for the public, if pointing out based on evidence the questionable integrity of the investors that linked to the ownership, if requesting a regulated operation and full transparency makes someone so disturbed like you are disturbed now, than I suggest contacting a psychotherapist or seek other form of professional help.

I have to inform you that until further notice and your mental state stabilized, now you are disqualified from the discussion :-)
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:03 PM   #3912
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Not your best work PokErasmus, not your best work at all.
I find really unpolite, unconstructive and unbelievable that you don't take seriously my views on this topic :-)))
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I find really unpolite, unconstructive and unbelievable that you don't take seriously my views on this topic :-)))
were you under the impression anyone did?
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:17 PM   #3914
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what's really sad and funny is if YOU keep putting money into their pocket since you KNOW better. we're just ignorant sheep.

Please don't be sad and feel free to enjoy that I spend some money on poker - I do as well. I have really good time playing poker at online, I love the game even I am probably one of the worst players all time and if the game would not be rigged I would be on the looser side as well. I just make very bad decisions when my chips over 70,000 and can't make the final table (today probably I will take some large amount of drug to calm down and to be able to handle the pressure, if I fell sleep from that please weak me up at PS site I will be at some 2-5 $ tournament).

So pointing out how rigged the whole thing is nothing to do with my playing record. I see the whole operation mainly from IT and software viewpoint and find ridiculous the state of the poker industry from that aspect.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:18 PM   #3915
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From you just the usual frustrated schrizophenic rant without any substances or meaningful material.

If pointing out based on evidences that sites operates outside of the control of the authority, if pointing out based on evidences that the sites have never provided a full, credible, comprehensive IT audit report for the public, if pointing out based on evidence the questionable integrity of the investors that linked to the ownership, if requesting a regulated operation and full transparency makes someone so disturbed like you are disturbed now, than I suggest contacting a psychotherapist or seek other form of professional help.

I have to inform you that until further notice and your mental state stabilized, now you are disqualified from the discussion :-)
Serious question. What authority?
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:26 PM   #3916
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PokErasmus is a gimmick/troll account, who never posted in another thread.

He should be careful about libeling the well known (and well-respected) industry figures who own Full Tilt, and the lesser known family that owns PS. It's one thing debating online poker's fairness, but it's crossing a line to call specific people crooks without something to back it up. A ban could be close...
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:27 PM   #3917
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were you under the impression anyone did?
No I was not expected that.

I understand that the PS and TF defender crusaders not worry about minor elements such as system integrity, compliance with regulation, software audit, for you guys site defender warriors these elements are irrelevant in the context of an online business process. I think because that business processes 100% software and IT dependent and you guys are so rational. Make sense.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:29 PM   #3918
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Serious question. What authority?
Chanel Island where they licensed their operation.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:31 PM   #3919
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Please don't be sad and feel free to enjoy that I spend some money on poker - I do as well. I have really good time playing poker at online, I love the game even I am probably one of the worst players all time and if the game would not be rigged I would be on the looser side as well. I just make very bad decisions when my chips over 70,000 and can't make the final table (today probably I will take some large amount of drug to calm down and to be able to handle the pressure, if I fell sleep from that please weak me up at PS site I will be at some 2-5 $ tournament)..
I think his point is that you playing against a bunch of cheaters (i.e. the site) doesn't anger you enough to stop playing there? You still have fun even "knowing" you're being cheated?
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:35 PM   #3920
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PokErasmus is a gimmick/troll account, who never posted in another thread.

He should be careful about libeling the well known (and well-respected) industry figures who own Full Tilt, and the lesser known family that owns PS. It's one thing debating online poker's fairness, but it's crossing a line to call specific people crooks without something to back it up. A ban could be close...
You are paranoid.

I am just a pissed off Software/IT personnel that happened to be understand the importance of software security/integrity and can't handle my emotion when experiencing a software based fraud that can go on for years without any consequences.

I was accurate about the lesser known family when I detailed their route and history (at IBM) and their links to certain investor groups.
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very simple software trick that requires about 500 lines of modifcation in their software source in order to take out an extra $250,000 a day.
I know you didn't actually write the code to illustrtate this or calculate the additional profit (and i won't bother asking you for proof) but please tell me, did you even think about it at all or did you literally pluck some random numbers out of the air?

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These Israeli-Russian criminals claims and makes the statement in the first place that they will deliver a fair game.
You rigtards really need to meet up at your anti-mafia headquarters in the sky and get your stories straight. Are sites claiming its random or not? Which sites are fair and which are not? Is it just an irregular deal or are bots involved? Is there a deposit / withdrawl factor involved? You seem to think you are arguing with site shills when in fact you can't even agree with each other

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repeats of the multimillion hand analysis and probability nonsense (the rigged state of software makes that otherwise sensible topics nonsense) must be punished by b...g their a..s.
Yeah!! Stop using multimillion hand analysis and probabilty, it's not fair. Join us rigtards in the land of crazy accusations and keep your so called "facts" and "evidence" to yourselves. In the words of Ned Flanders:

“Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins the movie by telling you how it ends. Well, I say there are some things we don't want to know. Important things.“
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:38 PM   #3922
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PokErasmus is a gimmick/troll account, who never posted in another thread.

He should be careful about libeling the well known (and well-respected) industry figures who own Full Tilt, and the lesser known family that owns PS. It's one thing debating online poker's fairness, but it's crossing a line to call specific people crooks without something to back it up. A ban could be close...
Maybe, maybe not. People like these do exist. If he is spending all of this time to create this character then congrats on his hobby I suppose, but the amount of time and effort he has put into his posts and the detailed level of the delusional thought process is very indicative of a genuinely deeply paranoid person, which is not as easy to pull off as one might think.

A person pretending this would not be keep to within his delusional thought structure over time, this guy has never varied from it.

I'd wager he is the real thing, but if it is a fake it is a very good one.
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Maybe, maybe not. People like these do exist. If he is spending all of this time to create this character then congrats on his hobby I suppose, but the amount of time and effort he has put into his posts and the detailed level of the delusional thought process is very indicative of a genuinely deeply paranoid person, which is not as easy to pull off as one might think.

A person pretending this would not be keep to within his delusional thought structure over time, this guy has never varied from it.

I'd wager he is the real thing, but if it is a fake it is a very good one.
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I've unfortunately closely known a couple mentally unstable and extremely paranoid people, and there are always many similarities between them.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:54 PM   #3924
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I've unfortunately closely known a couple mentally unstable and extremely paranoid people, and there are always many similarities between them.
Yup. As I said, this guy is not a genuine riggedologist. I bet he has similar threads and posts and beliefs going on many different message boards about all sorts of intricate schemes he has unearthed. This is a poker message board so here it is about online poker. Who knows if he even actually plays.

Not sure why spade keeps talking to him, I think he is a glutton for punishment, which against some riggedologists it is fun to watch. Not so much in this case.
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:15 PM   #3925
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I don't know myself, but what makes you think the Isle of Man Government, which is approved by the UK and EU as a gambling regulatory jurisdiction for their citizens, and a well respected regime internationally, is not actively monitoring and enforcing their policies and statutes? In the case of Poker Stars, they are physically domiciled on the Isle of Man, and their servers are also physically located there.

I'd give almost as much credence to the Alderney Gambling Commission, another UK state where Full Tilt is licensed and operates out of (Filco Ltd). They outsource their servers to the MIT ISP in Kahnawake, but I don't know if that makes any difference. Why do you say that Alderney doesn't enforce their laws?

I don't know that the do, but I just wonder how you know that they don't.

Please do the research and you will realize that FT and PS servers are partly in the UK, completely outside of the control of the authority using an ISP that not even member of any professional organizations. Their business continuity data centres by nature and operational purpose cannot be at the authority’s location, our researches indicates that they are in the Caribbean and US.

Please explain how on earth the tiny offshore island authorities verifies the integrity of system that physically outside of their control, and when they have no idea where the traffic routed by the industry outlaw ISPs? They can't.

Anyway the regulation at the islands is really good, well written, it is a very well drafted IT/Software control process. The problem is that due to the licensees operation, locations and practices it is not enforceable and in fact has never been enforced. (For example the authorities are unable to provide audit report on the licensees’ business continuity data centres).

Isle of Man is nothing to do with neither UK nor EU … but it does not mean that it is not a civilized place, actually it is nice place. I am in th UK and know that place.
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