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08-01-2011 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you say or do something interesting I will happily play along (and even root for you if it is genuinely funny), otherwise you can spend the day with Wiki talking about smashing teeth.
Feel free to threaten to punch Monty's lights out.

It could be a +EV move for you because:

1) He's closer.

2) He does a moderately amusing line in trash talking that would appeal to someone of your mentality.
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08-01-2011 , 12:46 PM
HAHA ty Monteroy that was awesome Buzz just POW! right in the KISSER.
Maybe i overestimate HUDS my last experiance with such things was origanal PT and PTO
and they were a complete waste of my time to try to work with not sure how long ago that was > I assume the technology has advanced to a point where it has become very useful and can be applied during my sessions.
I did ok in mpp mtt's as well ..

The Moon conspiracy not for me . Obv they been to the moon, what throws tards like that guy punched in the face is Nasa did produce a lot of "fake" pictures and other propaganda .. but thats not my thing i dont know much about it.

nor am i a doomsday guy M, im the guy that tried to clue you in to the 9/11 false flag attack remember? Which is a topic not for these boards. what year was that? 2003? when were the good ole crypto days? If i was living in the past i want to go back to them.

Do you feel safe now that oboma killed bin ladin?
\Thats what they gonna teach in kindergarden now lol


For once in your life , get a grip ..smoke a joint and listen to Guns and Roses Civil War!
ty for your help i may seek more but i will pm you or talk too you on stars.

"I WENT NUMB WHEN I LEARNED TO SEE"

So you know better Monteroy the "truth" about the world or pokerstars cheating us or your wife and your best friend whatever is to hard to deal with sometimes.
Keep your head in the sand and everything makes perfect sense!

expressed in Dollars and Cents
Pounds shillings and
Pence!!!!

GG
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08-01-2011 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CigarMike
...my club has chapters all over the world, so dont think I cant get to you over there.
You know as well as I do that international actions aren't free and are reserved for very serious issues.

I can imagine you going to your club "some people just called me names on the internet". They'd just laugh at you.

Last edited by gothninja; 08-01-2011 at 01:02 PM.
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08-01-2011 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
So there was something crooked at UB. We all know that. But they were caught through analysis of hand histories - evidence. And the corrupt individuals benefited from the scam - it was not a company action. And even they didn't rig the deal.

I certainly wouldn't trust any site "regulated" by KGC, and I wouldn't play at UB.

But where's the evidence for other sites?
But you don't appear to know the particulars about UB to claim it was a rogue employee rather than multiple people in the upper management of the company. Yet, you continue to mis-state the facts and claim it wasn't a company action.
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08-01-2011 , 01:01 PM
CigarMike.

I just got off the phone to your club and they want you to fill out this form before they go and 'have a word' with Wiki.

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08-01-2011 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
But you don't appear to know the particulars about UB to claim it was a rogue employee rather than multiple people in the upper management of the company. Yet, you continue to mistate the facts and claim it wasn't a company action.
It's irrelevant, really.

The salient point is THEY GOT CAUGHT.
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08-01-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
It's irrelevant, really.

The salient point is THEY GOT CAUGHT.
If by caught you mean exposed by 2+2ers, paid a small fine, paid back half the money and not criminally prosecuted, you are correct.

Caught to me means facing 20 years in prison, millions of dollars seized, business halted, personal forfeiture of all your assets. Who has been caught, Mr. Salient Point?
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08-01-2011 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sebastes
The Moon conspiracy not for me . Obv they been to the moon, what throws tards like that guy punched in the face is Nasa did produce a lot of "fake" pictures and other propaganda .. but thats not my thing i dont know much about it.
Fake propaganda moon pictures even though they went there. Okie Dokie.

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Originally Posted by Sebastes
nor am i a doomsday guy M, im the guy that tried to clue you in to the 9/11 false flag attack remember? Which is a topic not for these boards. what year was that? 2003? when were the good ole crypto days? If i was living in the past i want to go back to them.
9/11 false flag attacks. No idea what that even means, but okie dokie.



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Originally Posted by Sebastes
Do you feel safe now that oboma killed bin ladin?
\Thats what they gonna teach in kindergarden now lol
Okie dokie



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Originally Posted by Sebastes
So you know better Monteroy the "truth" about the world
Okie dokie



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Originally Posted by Sebastes
or pokerstars cheating us or your wife and your best friend whatever is to hard to deal with sometimes.
Keep your head in the sand and everything makes perfect sense!
Okie dokie.



I challenge any other riggie to make sense out of what makes perfect sense to you. Hell, let's find one that even agrees with any of the above first.


People wonder why the old bonus whoring days were a pain. Imagine spending all day with guys who don't play any hands but ramble on about the world ended and flag attacks as they make their couple bucks an hour net in rakeback and bonus from all the free money sites gave out.

Really happy those days are done (except the casino whoring side, the easy 4-10k a month that represented involved no interation with other bonus whores!)



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Originally Posted by jjjou812
If by caught you mean exposed by 2+2ers, paid a small fine, paid back half the money and not criminally prosecuted, you are correct.

Caught to me means facing 20 years in prison, millions of dollars seized, business halted, personal forfeiture of all your assets. Who has been caught, Mr. Salient Point?

I only can see half your debate, but I guess my issue would be that riggies who keep pointing out crimes/scandals that got caught as a means of proving that hundreds of rooms can keep a dark secret is flawed.

They should point out examples of crimes that have not been caught if that is the point they are trying to make from a logic perspective. Hell, they can just make up stuff as examples (riggies do that anyway) of crimes that have yet to be caught in different industries.
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08-01-2011 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
If by caught you mean exposed by 2+2ers, paid a small fine, paid back half the money and not criminally prosecuted, you are correct.

Caught to me means facing 20 years in prison, millions of dollars seized, business halted, personal forfeiture of all your assets. Who has been caught?
You may have your own personal definition of the word 'caught'.

It's not really of interest to anyone other than yourself, though.

For normal people, 'caught' has a well established meaning and which is satisfied by the particulars of the exposure of UB.
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08-01-2011 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
If by caught you mean exposed by 2+2ers, paid a small fine, paid back half the money and not criminally prosecuted, you are correct.

Caught to me means facing 20 years in prison, millions of dollars seized, business halted, personal forfeiture of all your assets. Who has been caught, Mr. Salient Point?
I have to agree with you there. People should have gone to prison.
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08-01-2011 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Fake propaganda moon pictures even though they went there. Okie Dokie.
I think he may have missed the legend: 'Artist's impression' (or not understood the import of it).
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08-01-2011 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
I have to agree with you there. People should have gone to prison.
The aftermath of their getting caught may not have been as 'robust' as many people wanted but they got caught, nonetheless.

The relevance to this thread is that they did not simply get away with it undetected indefinitely as the riggies seem to believe current sites are w.r.t. rigging the deal.
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08-01-2011 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
The aftermath of their getting caught may not have been as 'robust' as many people wanted but they got caught, nonetheless.

The relevance to this thread is that they did not simply get away with it undetected indefinitely as the riggies seem to believe current sites are w.r.t. rigging the deal.
Yeah I agree with that too. Just feeling agreeable today I guess.
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08-01-2011 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
You may have your own personal definition of the word 'caught'.

It's not really of interest to anyone other than yourself, though.

For normal people, 'caught' has a well established meaning and which is satisfied by the particulars of the exposure of UB.
I an sure that when you were beat up for your lunch money when walking to school and you told your mummie and she got you back half of it, you were happy that the other guy got caught.

Only in your lame, anti-social internet world are you using a word with a well established meaning.

Us normal people are lining up behind CakePoker and Cigar Mike.....
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08-01-2011 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
It's irrelevant, really.

The salient point is THEY GOT CAUGHT.
I don't believe it ever happened; too many people would have had to have been in on it, and we know how bad people are at keeping secrets.
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08-01-2011 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
I don't believe it ever happened; too many people would have had to have been in on it, and we know how bad people are at keeping secrets.
We also keep being told here that rigging doesn't leave evidence and you can't catch it by examining hand histories, so obviously it didn't happen...
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08-01-2011 , 01:34 PM
This thread is getting good again though - I have Monty on ignore and I am arguing with Wiki. I'll bet Bingo joins in after he gets his prescriptions from his shrink.
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08-01-2011 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
I don't believe it ever happened; too many people would have had to have been in on it, and we know how bad people are at keeping secrets.
Sounds like a false flag attack.
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08-01-2011 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
This thread is getting good again though - I have Monty on ignore and I am arguing with Wiki. I'll bet Bingo joins in after he gets his prescriptions from his shrink.
I always thought Bingo_Boy is a shrink.
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08-01-2011 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
It's irrelevant, really.

The salient point is THEY GOT CAUGHT.
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Originally Posted by raymears
I don't believe it ever happened; too many people would have had to have been in on it, and we know how bad people are at keeping secrets.
Also, they were already making millions out of the rake. Why would they kill the goose that was laying the golden eggs?

Nah... Didn't happen.
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08-01-2011 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
The aftermath of their getting caught may not have been as 'robust' as many people wanted but they got caught, nonetheless.

The relevance to this thread is that they did not simply get away with it undetected indefinitely as the riggies seem to believe current sites are w.r.t. rigging the deal.
The caped crusader of scourging the site of slanderous statements against online poker always tries to narrowly tailor the issue only to "current sites are w.r.t. rigging the deal" when faced with legitimate discussion of prior acts of cheating by these same companies.

One must question his agenda.
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08-01-2011 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
I always thought Bingo_Boy is a shrink.
No, you just spend so much time with them because of the court orders that you start talking like you are one.
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08-01-2011 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Also, they were already making millions out of the rake. Why would they kill the goose that was laying the golden eggs?

Nah... Didn't happen.
Yawn. Are you naturally obtuse or deliberately so?

It's not the same thing. UB = action of greedy employees, the company did not profit from the theft, the company was damaged by it.

The goose that lays the golden egg is not immune to being killed - if it's your goose, then I don't mind killing it if there's a short-term profit in it for me - doesn't bother me that you lose your income.
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08-01-2011 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
I don't believe it ever happened; too many people would have had to have been in on it, and we know how bad people are at keeping secrets.
Right, think of all the people they would have needed:

1. The guy that created the account
2. The guy that used the account
3. The guy that deleted the account
4. The guy that told the guy to create, use and delete the account
5. The programmer to delete the ISP addresses
6. The guy that wrote the press release

There is no way one of them would not have come forward.
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08-01-2011 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
... prior acts of cheating by these same companies...
a few employees != the company

one company != another company

prior act by one company != prior act by other companies
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