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07-26-2011 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Which makes up about 95% of the people in this thread.
I didn't realise that you had that many gimmicks, here.
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07-26-2011 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BadNewzKennelz1
This study is a hoax.
Of course.

Rather like those posts we get from time to time that start: "I got talking to a 'Stars programmer at a conference ..."
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07-26-2011 , 02:51 PM
The study doesn't exist. That text is reposted across the internet, without providing any reference to the actual study - which university, who conducted it, you know the usual stuff for a real study.

Riggies are so easily fooled by shinies.
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07-26-2011 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
Ok monteroy you have some valid points it seems the study is not in depth enough for some arguements. But how can you argue the statistical outcomes of the royal flush hmmmmmmmmmm.
If you want to believe that the reg Tilt did was to pump up the number of royal flushes in play money games then go for it. I would suggest as a rig that is perhaps not the smartest one to do as it makes no money (maybe it makes some extra play money rake?) and royal flush hands stand out and are noticed. They might choose a rig that is harder to detect would be my suggestion.

The "study" did not prove a thing it said it did, yet you and others blindly believed it at first. You seem to have some doubts now about it, but do you see the naive approach to wanting to believe anything said just because it agrees with something you have faith in. That is how guys like you get scammed day in and day out by people who will exploit your beliefs, so be careful.
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07-26-2011 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you want to believe that the reg Tilt did was to pump up the number of royal flushes in play money games then go for it. I would suggest as a rig that is perhaps not the smartest one to do as it makes no money (maybe it makes some extra play money rake?) and royal flush hands stand out and are noticed. They might choose a rig that is harder to detect would be my suggestion.

The "study" did not prove a thing it said it did, yet you and others blindly believed it at first. You seem to have some doubts now about it, but do you see the naive approach to wanting to believe anything said just because it agrees with something you have faith in. That is how guys like you get scammed day in and day out by people who will exploit your beliefs, so be careful.
Seems like a group with access to PokerStars could do an interesting study by setting up a home game table. Has someone mentioned that before?
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07-26-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy

The "study" did not prove a thing it said it did, yet you and others blindly believed it at first. You seem to have some doubts now about it, but do you see the naive approach to wanting to believe anything said just because it agrees with something you have faith in. That is how guys like you get scammed day in and day out by people who will exploit your beliefs, so be careful.
I dont see how agreeing with the study im being scamed, possibly misled at best. But say i did not agee with the study and had total faith in oline poker then it seems I leave your self open to being scamed. So we do not see eye to eye on the isssue i guess.
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07-26-2011 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
I dont see how agreeing with the study im being scamed, possibly misled at best. But say i did not agee with the study and had total faith in oline poker then it seems I leave your self open to being scamed. So we do not see eye to eye on the isssue i guess.

???
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07-26-2011 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
I dont see how agreeing with the study im being scamed, possibly misled at best. But say i did not agee with the study and had total faith in oline poker then it seems I leave your self open to being scamed. So we do not see eye to eye on the isssue i guess.

Scammed is the same as being misled, only with intent behind it. I agree whoever did this "study" was not likely trying to intentionally mislead riggies, the guy who did it is likely a riggie and he ended up misleading himself as he did it.

However, you never thought to question the validity of the study, and you laughed at those that did. This is what you said:


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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
The college study of the munipulated hands is your best hand analysis that ken posted showing four of a kind being hit every 200 hands and royals being hit every 1 in 4000 but that study is always dissmissed by the shills lol.
You still believe it was a "college study" even though it clearly has no affiliation with any real institution.

You also called it "the best analysis" without even bothering to look at what it really was, so imagine how easy it would be for a person to scam you into following something they are saying just because you want to believe in what they are saying.

You are literally one of the easiest people to scam because of your blind faith and refusal to question those who have opinions on something you want to believe in, and once others identify that they can exploit it just as that blatant guy got fooled by the fake riggie who was just venting. He got scammed.

This thread is harmless, but if you use the same thought process in the real world expect it to cost you quite a bit until you wake up.

All the best.
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07-26-2011 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you want to believe that the reg Tilt did was to pump up the number of royal flushes in play money games then go for it. I would suggest as a rig that is perhaps not the smartest one to do as it makes no money (maybe it makes some extra play money rake?) and royal flush hands stand out and are noticed. They might choose a rig that is harder to detect would be my suggestion.

The "study" did not prove a thing it said it did, yet you and others blindly believed it at first. You seem to have some doubts now about it, but do you see the naive approach to wanting to believe anything said just because it agrees with something you have faith in. That is how guys like you get scammed day in and day out by people who will exploit your beliefs, so be careful.



A honest statement from the best scammer here. Him and this merry band of site promoters that is.
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07-26-2011 , 05:36 PM
I took you off ignore since I assumed that latest post was in response to my last one, and I admit I was curious to see what your take on it, and I am refreshed that you (likely unintentionally) admit that you and your fellow riggies are very easily scammed.

I certainly make fun of riggies, and also some shills, but the irony is I genuinely hate those that scam others, and I get annoyed by those who should know better, yet are so easily scammed, so at times I try to mock some common sense into them.

I will dismiss the personal attack, because I know it is what you do instinctively and that's all you can really do now since you have given up any form of logical debate, but the advice I gave to your fellow riggie is far more valuable to him if he chooses to think about it than anything you will say.

You are a big part of the problem as your blind faith creates a momentum for other weaker minded people to follow along. Ironically it is you who is scamming them, though I realize you are not doing that with intent. You drink your own Kool Aid as well.

You know I never try to change a riggie's mind, they are entitled to their faith, but I do hope some of the riggies will temper that with some common sense and stop and think twice before blindly following other riggies.

Even you should think twice every time you see a new account posting a weird riggie theory and wonder "is that real or a fake?" and by simply doing that you are taking a step in the right direction of questioning the world around you in a rational manner. Sending a fake riggie after you (which you fell for) probably did you quite a bit of good.

That's about it. You will be put back on ignore now, so enjoy this single response as it was meant for other riggies as much as you. I realize it will have no impact on you that you will admit to and that is fine.

You need not worry about being scammed by me, because I am violently against the art of genuine "scamming," and frankly you have no money anyway.

All the best.
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07-26-2011 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
Of course the earth is obviously flat. If it really was a globe, then all the water would run to the bottom.
Don't go too close to the edge or you'll fall off... or be eaten by sea monsters!

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07-26-2011 , 07:10 PM
Interesting semi-math based dilemma. Where would you rather play given ALL the variables?

Option 1: Live $1/$2 (or $2/$5 or $5/$10 or higher) table, regulated by NV/NJ/etc. gaming commission, standard industry rake + BBJ taken. No rakeback (but maybe some ****ty comps), and free drinks and you don't have to tip the dealer or drink waitress if you feel like being an ass or maybe having a losing session. Obviously can't multitable.

Option 2: Pokerstars or Full Tilt (for the argument lets just say its pre-BF conditions) with their rake structure (lower than live + no BBJ), rakeback possible, occasional deposit problems, frequent withdrawal problems. Convenience of play and high traffic. Unconfirmed rumors of unfair deals and other malfeasance. 16-24 tables possible at once.

Option 3(theoretical): Online site. No rake so no rakeback. Site makes it money thru a connected online casino/sportsbook PLUS announces upfront (in the fine print) that there will be one "house player" per 8 tables. Non-Static usernames as well. 25% "RIGBACK" (money lost to house player) for all players should they request it. 4-8 tables possible at once.
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07-26-2011 , 07:18 PM
Play the option that makes the most money for you if money is the goal. That "rigback" thing changes the odds quite a bit as to what is the correct play depending on whether the house player is in the pot or not, so to play a game like that for money you would need to be able to compete at understanding how to best exploit that dynamic.

Play the option that is most fun for you if fun is the goal.
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07-26-2011 , 10:54 PM
Just wanted to add ..... I still think its rigged!
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07-27-2011 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
Just wanted to add ..... I still think its rigged!
I await tomorrow's update.
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07-27-2011 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
Just wanted to add ..... I still think its rigged!
Sounds conclusive. Are we done here?
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07-27-2011 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
Just wanted to add ..... I still think its rigged!
Well, even one person still on here with some common sense is better then none.
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07-27-2011 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Well, even one person still on here with some common sense is better then none.
Common sense is believing things for which you have evidence.

The post you quoted almost certainly does not qualify.
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07-27-2011 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Common sense is believing things for which you have evidence.
...
Yeah, you'd think so. But unfortunately common sense is more usually uninformed intuition and celebrity gossip. I think achinglyrubbed has it covered.
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07-27-2011 , 01:35 PM
THE THIEFS AT ENTRACTION STEALS EVEN MORE IN ALLINS AND RE-DISTRIBUTE TO FISH.

SMALL STACK MAGIC IN ALLINS.

FISH MAGIC.


AND THE BEST THING IS!

IT IS RANDOM!!!!

AT HAND 660 MY EV IS THE SAME AS MY WINNINGS IS AT HAND 905 WHILE EV HAS CONTINUED RISING AT A CONSTANT RATE.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7...iver110727.jpg


WHEN WILL THE LINES INTERSECT THE NEXT TIME?
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07-27-2011 , 02:40 PM
I'm sorry, could you please repeat that? I can't quite hear you...
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07-27-2011 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Boost2Boob
...WHEN WILL THE LINES INTERSECT THE NEXT TIME?
Ooh, I know, I know!

Never.
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07-27-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Boost2Boob
WHEN WILL THE LINES INTERSECT THE NEXT TIME?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQ2ho7DHMk
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07-27-2011 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Boost2Boob
THE THIEFS AT ENTRACTION STEALS EVEN MORE IN ALLINS AND RE-DISTRIBUTE TO FISH.

SMALL STACK MAGIC IN ALLINS.

FISH MAGIC.


AND THE BEST THING IS!

IT IS RANDOM!!!!

AT HAND 660 MY EV IS THE SAME AS MY WINNINGS IS AT HAND 905 WHILE EV HAS CONTINUED RISING AT A CONSTANT RATE.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7...iver110727.jpg


WHEN WILL THE LINES INTERSECT THE NEXT TIME?
I don't think that graph means what you think it means
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07-27-2011 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
I don't think that graph means what you think it means
I think the way to use the graph is: take the blue number away from the red number, write the result on an invoice, and send it to David Sklansky.

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