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Old 05-26-2009, 09:38 PM   #3651
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And yet your only proof is this post. Should be pretty simple to show actual math for it if you can just "see" it.
OK, as spacebidder is running deep hh analyzis, i want him to analyze percentage of draws completing vs AA, perecentage of all pp holding up vs AK and provide them in % of each of it. I dont know why but i have the feeling after hundreds of thousands of hands that i have played there that JJ helds way more against AK and AQ than pp like 99. Thats it. Even if it is not any sort of prove, but this atleast can be veryfied.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:41 PM   #3652
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Why is it when you have AA KK and someone shoves on you, you start getting nervous instead of salivating? Because your 80% is more like 63% if that.

aa < kk
kk < 99
aa < 99
aa < 10 8

last four games. Chances of that.... way less than 1%.

I'm sure i'll get them next time.


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No my next hands

AQ < A10

Then

Kx

flop kk9

dude has 89, I lose.

Chance of that all in a row, go play the lottery but this every day. You still defend this? Get away with you.

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Old 05-26-2009, 09:43 PM   #3653
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I dont understand why are you asking for proof all the time, you know that noone cant provide it.
Because without proof, it's all meaningless conspiracy theories.

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People come here to share their opinions and not to be accused and riddiculed.
If their opinion is online poker is rigged and they dont have anything other then their thoughts to back it up, then its not ridiculing someone to point that out.

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Why can´t you face the fact that non you riggtards or non riggtards have any proof of OLP being rigged or not, and instead of fighting and riddiculing each other you could make statements, and if someone is new in this game and comes here just give him a simple explination, maybe some links so the person could make a basic idea of what is variance, and how the random deal should look like after certain ammount of hands played. You can post even some of your bad beats or something and prove that you still have winning results in the long run.
this isn't bad advice for new posters or first time rigged posters but it's kind of asking a lot if it's a reg rigged poster.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:44 PM   #3654
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Because without proof, it's all meaningless conspiracy theory's.



If their opinion is online poker is rigged and they dont have anything other then their thoughts to back it up, then its not ridiculing someone to point that out.



this isn't bad advice for new posters or first time rigged posters but it's kind of asking a lot if it's a reg rigged poster.
You are losing money by posting here.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:45 PM   #3655
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Why do you all ask for proof when more then one site has been found to be taking peoples monies dishonestly.
As a good poker player you must think on multiple levels and even maybe in your day job too so to think it could not happen is niave at best and as for clear explanations
being dismissed as shilling some of theses shills just cannot exept that this can and has happened.Ie people losing money due to a sites intergretity that has been comprimised at some level.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:45 PM   #3656
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K13

This deserves to be ridiculed.

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Old 05-26-2009, 09:46 PM   #3657
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Blah blah blah blah **** blah blah blah ****en blak blah ****
Although PokErasmus is giving you a run for your money, I still think you are, by far, the worst poster in this thread.

As I mentioned before, you're looking for this forum:Beats, Brags, and Variance

If it's so "****en" rigged there WHY DO YOU KEEP PLAYING THERE??? Go back to your favourite site with the ****ty customer service and super users if you're so unhappy at Stars.

And what imaginary word do you keep typing that comes out ****en? You mean ****ing? Or ****in'?
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:47 PM   #3658
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You are losing money by posting here.
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This deserves to be riddiculed.
Are you going to answer this?

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Um, what?

I quoted him exactly, so I eagerly await your explanation of where I was wrong.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:51 PM   #3659
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You are losing money by posting here.
No worries i'm a rec low limit slum dog. This is the first hobby that has ever paid me as long as i make some money it's all good.

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Old 05-26-2009, 09:56 PM   #3660
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Are you going to answer this?

I am kind of lost in that quoting stuff sorry.

You said :
I know it would, because you believe:


PokerErasmus : In poker any combination of hands is legitimate and must be seen as random.



You said :So I can write software that gives me AA every hand, and that's random. Cool!



So what i said is " In poker any combination of hands is legitimate and must be seen as random." Is what you believe, not him. Becouse it is the way you see it, and you blindelly ask for proof from anyone who says that its otherwise.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:58 PM   #3661
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No worries i'm a rec low limit slum dog. This is the first hobby that has ever paid me as long as i make some money it's all good.
Cool. So, you cant win $, you have around 1500 posts, and you are just mixing up into a "crew". Thats cool I understand.
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My point was that since he believes "any combination of hands is legitimate and must be seen as random", I could write software that gave me AA every hand and that, by his definition, would be "legitimate and must be seen as random". Did my logic fail me somewhere?
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Cool. So, you cant win $, you have around 1500 posts
If i couldn't win i wouldn't play.

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and you are just mixing up into a "crew". Thats cool I understand.
I dont know what this means.

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My point was that since he believes "any combination of hands is legitimate and must be seen as random", I could write software that gave me AA every hand and that, by his definition, would be "legitimate and must be seen as random". Did my logic fail me somewhere?
Correct but i beleive he refers to an alorithm that is programmed by man to be random.And as this may not be regulated..well.
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Old 05-26-2009, 10:08 PM   #3665
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My point was that since he believes "any combination of hands is legitimate and must be seen as random", I could write software that gave me AA every hand and that, by his definition, would be "legitimate and must be seen as random". Did my logic fail me somewhere?
Yes, if you write such software, sign 30 pros (29 of whom is brake even or even losing players after monster sample sizes). Your hats and shirts are all over the biggest live events you invest millons in advertisements, it will become random. You can make algorithm witch doesnt necesarily will deal AA 12 times in a row or whats so ever, your deal will become random over view of thousands of people.
From other point of view, you can have a legitimate buisiness (random) hire same ammount of pros (witch will show the same bad results) Invest the same ammount of money in advertisements and there still will be players who claim that your deal is not random.

This games involves such huge ammount of variance, you just cant prove anything. Even 1000 expamples of 20K coinflips will have around 3% of samples with 75% heads or tails.
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I dont know what this means.

You don´t have/need to.
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Yes, if you write such software, sign 30 pros (29 of whom is brake even or even losing players after monster sample sizes). Your hats and shirts are all over the biggest live events you invest millons in advertisements, it will become random. You can make algorithm witch doesnt necesarily will deal AA 12 times in a row or whats so ever, your deal will become random over view of thousands of people.
From other point of view, you can have a legitimate buisiness (random) hire same ammount of pros (witch will show the same bad results) Invest the same ammount of money in advertisements and there still will be players who claim that your deal is not random.
It's hard to read some of this, but I have no idea what any of it has to do with my point.

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This games involves such huge ammount of variance, you just cant prove anything. Even 1000 expamples of 20K coinflips will have around 3% of samples with 75% heads or tails.
How many samples of 100% heads?
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How many samples of 100% heads?
non i guess ...
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You don´t have/need to.
Oh i get it now. You think i want to be apart of some anti rigged crew and thats my motivation for being here.

You are incorrect sir, i just think it is scummy to call sites cheats without proof. Plus conspiracy theories always intrigue me.

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Yes, if you write such software, sign 30 pros (29 of whom is brake even or even losing players after monster sample sizes). Your hats and shirts are all over the biggest live events you invest millons in advertisements, it will become random. You can make algorithm witch doesnt necesarily will deal AA 12 times in a row or whats so ever, your deal will become random over view of thousands of people.
From other point of view, you can have a legitimate buisiness (random) hire same ammount of pros (witch will show the same bad results) Invest the same ammount of money in advertisements and there still will be players who claim that your deal is not random.

This games involves such huge ammount of variance, you just cant prove anything. Even 1000 expamples of 20K coinflips will have around 3% of samples with 75% heads or tails.

LOL is FTP truley legitimate or are there numerous shell companys affiliated to this site does and then the question is who is responsible for regulating what.Or maybe you put some of your servers in a country and apply for gamming licience then open afflilates and change company names once in a while to further the trail but who is regulating this multimillion dollar company.
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aa < kk
kk < 99
aa < 99
aa < 10 8

last four games. Chances of that.... way less than 1%.
Screen name please? I wanna watch this stuff in action. Seems like you are Stars' favorite target.

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Old 05-26-2009, 10:23 PM   #3672
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Screen name please? I wanna watch this stuff in action. Seems like you are Stars' favorite target.
Stars is one of little sites i trust. Stars, Entraction, Party.
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LOL is FTP truley legitimate or are there numerous shell companys affiliated to this site does and then the question is who is responsible for regulating what.Or maybe you put some of your servers in a country and apply for gamming licience then open afflilates and change company names once in a while to further the trail but who is regulating this multimillion dollar company.
Who cares .. Ivey plays there for millons so it can´t be rigged.
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Stars is one of little sites i trust. Stars, Entraction, Party.
Is this admission that K13 is your gimmick account?
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Is this admission that K13 is your gimmick account?
Why is that ? The reason why i dislike many other sites is becouse : Cake, iPoker, Boss - Software. Full Tilt - I don´t trust them.
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