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Old 05-25-2009, 07:44 PM   #3576
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Re: Proof that Stars or Tilt isn't rigged

there is a 10 billion hand study on taking hands from all the major sites, and everything is showing up correctly, the thread is on twoplustwo, do the search and see the results yourself, 10 billion is a lot of hands!!!
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:12 PM   #3577
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:29 PM   #3578
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They have a real random deal for the fake hand histories they submit as proof obviously. If they submitted the rigged hand histories it would ruin everything.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:45 PM   #3579
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The force is strong with this one.
10 posts all slamming everleaf in terrible english-is-not-my-first-language English.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:09 PM   #3580
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Re: Proof that Stars or Tilt isn't rigged

ive noticed that if you've just won a hand then you are mch more likely to win the next hand on PS

has anyone else.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:21 PM   #3581
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ive noticed that if you've just won a hand then you are mch more likely to win the next hand on PS

has anyone else.
Doyle Brunson talks about this in Super/System, so obviously live was rigged back in the 70's.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:24 PM   #3582
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:42 PM   #3583
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They have a real random deal for the fake hand histories they submit as proof obviously. If they submitted the rigged hand histories it would ruin everything.
Sigh...

The current studies underway are from HHs submitted by players.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:01 PM   #3584
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Stars gave a third party all the hands from December 2008 to look at and the company found the deal fair.
Nice. I didn't know this.


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Standard.
How so ? I'm not saying it's rigged. I personally don't think it is. Although I'm not nieve enough to believe bots and superuser type stuff isn't going on.


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there is a 10 billion hand study on taking hands from all the major sites, and everything is showing up correctly, the thread is on twoplustwo, do the search and see the results yourself, 10 billion is a lot of hands!!!
I would love to see this thread. I'm glad a study was done. Awesome.

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Old 05-25-2009, 10:30 PM   #3585
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better thread title next time.

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Old 05-25-2009, 10:37 PM   #3586
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Although I'm not nieve enough to believe bots and superuser type stuff isn't going on.
I think every sensible 2+2er is aware that bots are a very real and very serious growing problem (although, for the time being, it's only a threat to certain types of games). Superusers, well, obviously everyone was scared ****less when the UB/AP scandals became public, but FWIW those sites were already thought of as on the shady side. I like to think that FTP's and especially PS' security and integrity is solid enough to not have any possibility of that ****, but it still scares me.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:47 PM   #3587
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

These are just great. Ak vs A8

Flop KK5

Still lose.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:52 PM   #3588
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These are just great. Ak vs A8

Flop KK5

Still lose.
that's a trend in every facet of your life, no?
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:34 PM   #3589
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These are just great. Ak vs A8

Flop KK5

Still lose.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/

No one will care there, either, but at least it somewhat unclutters this thread.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:34 PM   #3590
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

Lets admit one thing, the super users of Absolute poker were caught just because they were super idiots too. If they were just trying to hidden the fact that they could see everyone´s cards no one would get them, they would be just good players.


By the way, can you prove sites dont have their own bots playing cash games against us?
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:51 PM   #3591
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Lets admit one thing, the super users of Absolute poker were caught just because they were super idiots too. If they were just trying to hidden the fact that they could see everyone´s cards no one would get them, they would be just good players.
Yes, but only for so long. People know what attainable winrates are at mid-high stakes, and there are plenty of dataminers (which help regulate the games). Once they've seen some guy win at a rate of 10 PTBB/100 hands for over 100K+ hands (which isn't drastic, but there's practically nobody doing it at 3/6+), people are going to be rigorously analyzing that player's play. It would be very difficult to keep unnoticed for a very long period of time. Not to mention the discipline, which, IMO, most thieves tend to lack.
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By the way, can you prove sites dont have their own bots playing cash games against us?
Nope, but it would be a waste of time and resources, IMO.

Just like rigging.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:05 AM   #3592
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And it would likely be caught if it was happening.

While it is fun to think about creative, intricate , massive conspiracies, the reality is that these would be an utter pain to implement in terms of time and effort.

Also, people who assume "can you prove xxx is not happening" fail to realize just how much the player base as a whole serves as a watchdog.

Just look at some of the bot threads and the data that was uncovered. This is not "my AA lost 3 times it is rigged" nonsense, but convincing hand history data.


Also, anyone who thinks the super users were dumb by grabbing as much as possible as fast as possible have no clue as to what the risk is of that type of crime being caught (either by players or the site), so those who would grind mid stakes for 10 years to make what they did all I can suggest is "criminal mastermind" may not be an ideal career path.
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:21 AM   #3593
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By the way, can you prove sites dont have their own bots playing cash games against us?
Can you prove there isn't a a very, very small teapot orbiting the sun between the Earth and Mars?
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:02 AM   #3594
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Can you prove there isn't a a very, very small teapot orbiting the sun between the Earth and Mars?
It's actually a coffee mug. Prove me wrong.
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:01 AM   #3595
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We're all brains in vats. Prove otherwise.
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:47 AM   #3596
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It's actually a coffee mug. Prove me wrong.
That's just ridiculous, you must be a shill for online mug sites.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:22 AM   #3597
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Can you prove there isn't a a very, very small teapot orbiting the sun between the Earth and Mars?
Probably is with all the space junk we've sent out there.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:49 PM   #3598
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that's a trend in every facet of your life, no?
Yeah, too bad I'm profitable every month.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:50 PM   #3599
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Yeah, too bad I'm profitable every month.
what's really too bad is your continued posting of bad beats as proof that the game is rigged.
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:08 PM   #3600
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what's really too bad is your continued posting of bad beats as proof that the game is rigged.
I doubt he thinks it is actually rigged, he just likes whining a lot. Why that is annoying (aside from a person whining about something no one cares about) is that it demonstrates the frustrating combination of a person being completely self centered without even knowing that is what he is doing.

If one is going to be a whiny douche, at least do it with intent...
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