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Old 05-24-2009, 01:12 PM   #3526
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Every degen thinks its rigged, why does everyone think like that? hmmm
The clue to the answer is in the question.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:12 PM   #3527
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Not rigged....

Last 4 hands.

K7 vs K3

Flop k3x7 both shove on turn river 3.

AA vs A4

Flop 734 dude shoves my bet, river 4.

J6 clubs vs kq

Flop xj6, dude shoves my bet, turn 10 river Ace.

I won't even bother with the last hand, its the same usual bull****, player gets the exact card that he "needs" for a miracle. You can call it a bad beat, variance and all that but its bull**** when it happens hand after hand after hand. This was all in a row.

Must be winning too much so they have to let those stupid germans win a few hands cause they suck so ****en bad. If you say move up where they respect your raises, half the table was supernovas and goldstar.

If i was playing live, I would not even worry about those hands once I saw the cards. But online, I was like ok, here we go, river 3, yup, standard, you basically expect this BS because it happens so often.


How can you randomly lose so many pots when your 80-90%+ ahead on the flop?

1-2-3 outers are so common. yeah yeah you see more hands online.
Its the normal shuffling to create a higher RAKE, poker sure is beatable but its also sure rigged.

Simple leave if you cant beat the game with this handicapp..there are also neural net based bots playing that steal another part of the money.

30% Rake live tourneys like WSOP is not an option..many players at hendon mobs database are loosers without Full Tilt and Stars Sponsorship. Its easy to make money if it is a freeroll
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:27 PM   #3528
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Wow PLO is so goddamn rigged for me it's not even funny. I've won like I've flip today. HHs that you won't read soon to follow.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:30 PM   #3529
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Its the normal shuffling to create a higher RAKE, poker sure is beatable but its also sure rigged.
Most of his hands are routine bad beats from low buy in tourneys, so there would be no extra rake made. Don't let reality sway you though.

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Simple leave if you cant beat the game with this handicapp..there are also neural net based bots playing that steal another part of the money.
Ah, this is more like it. Less whiny standard bad beat stories and more super powered neural net theories. That's what hard core riggedology is all about.

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30% Rake live tourneys like WSOP is not an option..many players at hendon mobs database are loosers without Full Tilt and Stars Sponsorship. Its easy to make money if it is a freeroll
Another good sign of a true old school riggedologist, random non sequiturs said before they are thought about in any way.

We need more riggedologists like this!
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:35 PM   #3530
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.there are also neural net based bots playing
Neural net based bots?

It seems to me the only way you could know what specific type of 'bot (if any) is profitable is if you are running one/some.

You some kinda lowdown snake-in-the-grass 'botter, boy?
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neural net based bots ... DDDDD


Syncromentologicly twisted noncontentional driverude ?
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:08 PM   #3532
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Neural net based bots?

It seems to me the only way you could know what specific type of 'bot (if any) is profitable is if you are running one/some.

You some kinda lowdown snake-in-the-grass 'botter, boy?
Google at sample for snowie and poker. Snowie is the number one onlinebackgammonplayer since years. And snowie poker beat poker heads
up 5-6 years ago.

Sure they never make it to a commercial product...maybee its more clever to let it play ...and added not any superuser is so silly to win 50 BB / 100....but i guess you think the poker community detect any cheater.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:29 PM   #3533
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Meh, I've decided I won't post a bunch of hands that people won't read. Most of them are just half stack flips that I win, not even full stack.

Then again, I'm sure most of the people who complain in this thread are playing freaking donkaments with like 10bb stacks...
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Old 05-24-2009, 04:53 PM   #3534
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Meh, I've decided I won't post a bunch of hands that people won't read. Most of them are just half stack flips that I win, not even full stack.

Then again, I'm sure most of the people who complain in this thread are playing freaking donkaments with like 10bb stacks...
I suspect many riggedologists create their belief structure in these tournaments, especially when they play too tight early and force themselves into all-ins, needing to win several to keep going which even as a favorite every time is hard to win.

The Crypto tourneys featured a player who took this to the extreme, playing maybe 1 hand in the first 50 then once his stack was down to 800-1000 and blinds were either 50/100 or higher he would start shoving with any pair or AK/AQ.

Often he was a favorite or a coin flip, but even if he won the first one he was usually well below average still, so would either fold to the same spot or try another all in.

Whenever he lost all the table heard for the next 10 minutes were accusations of house players, rigged software - you name it. He never realized it was his bad play in the first 5-6 levels that forced him into a situation where he was going to lose nearly all the time even if he got a run of 10 10 then AK then AQ.

In the rare time he did get a good streak he would revert to folding everything to try to sneak into the money, rarely trying to accumulate a stack to make a run for the final tables.

To him the software was totally rigged, and he genuinely believed it, but his play was rigging the game against him. He was constant dead money in the tourneys, so it worked for me as well.


Not much discussion has been about the root causes of riggedologists, but this is certainly prevelent among them.
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Oh, such fond memories I have of playing on the Crypto network. FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU UIGEA
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:36 PM   #3537
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BTW !! Stop posting this bst, becouse marcusG is admin now, and if he can check your ip, he will report it to pstars, and they will turn a doomswitch to maximum for you. So, you better start posting nice things about pstars, and get some of those ice cream sandwiches - Marcus wont be able to resist, and reduce a doomswitch just to a right ammount.
as far as conspiracy theories go, I kinda like this one!

btw, I went out of 2 MTT's the other night holding AA, AIPF. Both times I lost to a lower PP that hit a set on the flop. these were both on Cake, so at least y'all know I don't shill for them, even though I've posted several positive things about their site over the years. Welll that's over now!
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as far as conspiracy theories go, I kinda like this one!

btw, I went out of 2 MTT's the other night holding AA, AIPF. Both times I lost to a lower PP that hit a set on the flop. these were both on Cake, so at least y'all know I don't shill for them, even though I've posted several positive things about their site over the years. Welll that's over now!
Testing water ?? Trying to expand your buisiness ? Cake m8 be interested in a healthy shill (Licenced and awarded) ... Anyway I hope you understand that i dont give a **** about sites being rigged or not ? I am just saying things as I see them. All those those facts that sites have nothing to gain by rigging software are totally fake. They have to much to lose by not doing so.
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Did you just lose a have in which you were at least a 60% favorite pre-flop or on the flop? Do you have selective memory? Can you make up statistics?

Then riggedology is for you! Post ITT every time you meet the above criteria.
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Anyway I hope you understand that i dont give a **** about sites being rigged or not ?
actually, no. I have a lot of trouble understanding you.
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actually, no. I have a lot of trouble understanding you.
I hape alot of trouble in understanding some people in this thread as well, So i guess we are even.
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Its the normal shuffling to create a higher RAKE, poker sure is beatable but its also sure rigged.
Proof? Any corroborative evidence whatsoever?

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there are also neural net based bots playing that steal another part of the money.
Proof? Any corroborative evidence whatsoever?

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many players at hendon mobs database are loosers without Full Tilt and Stars Sponsorship.
Proof? Any corroborative evidence whatsoever? Relevance?
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:08 AM   #3543
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I know onthelow was so 4 days ago.. but I just found the time to catch up on this thread.. and I know I wouldn't want to mess with his bet, as this post from March clearly shows he is making tons of money.. and more importantly, a big winner in games:

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here is .02/.05




here are both

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Old 05-25-2009, 10:40 AM   #3544
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Last three hands.

KK < QT
KK < QQ
QQ < 99

variance lol This every day, all day.

Like I said try flipping a coin at home and losing/winning 10 times in a row. That's already hard and its 50/50.

Yet losing 10 in a row when you are 60/70/80% ahead seems ordinary when playing online poker. Happens all the time.

Calculate the probability of that. Then go play the lottery.
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OK here's some flips or otherwise hands from the past two days I expect to lose a decent amount of the time. There were more largish pots, but the ones I excluded are the ones I lost (not that many... none that I was a huge favorite in), or I had at least an 80% edge in:

Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $2066.80
BTN/SB: $677.50

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 8 7 A A
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, BTN/SB raises to $162, Hero raises to $486, BTN/SB raises to $677.50 all in, Hero calls $191.50

Flop: ($1355.00) T 5 2

Turn: ($1355.00) 6

River: ($1355.00) 3

Final Pot: $1355.00
Hero shows 8 7 A A (a flush, Ace high)
BTN/SB shows T J 9 Q (a pair of Tens)
Hero wins $1354.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $625.50
BB: $950.50

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN/SB with T 9 4 3
Hero raises to $18, BB raises to $54, Hero calls $36

Flop: ($108.00) T 9 5 (2 players)
BB bets $108, Hero raises to $432, BB raises to $896.50 all in, Hero calls $139.50 all in

Turn: ($1251.00) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($1251.00) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $1251.00
Hero shows T 9 4 3 (two pair, Tens and Nines)
BB shows A 2 6 A (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $1250.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $1347.50
BB: $571.50

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN/SB with K K 8 5
Hero raises to $18, BB raises to $54, Hero raises to $162, BB calls $108

Flop: ($324.00) 9 5 J (2 players)
BB bets $324, Hero raises to $648, BB calls $85.50 all in

Turn: ($1143.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1143.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $1143.00
Hero shows K K 8 5 (three of a kind, Kings)
BB shows A 2 9 Q (a pair of Nines)
Hero wins $1142.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #4
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $2584.00
BTN/SB: $462.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 7 6 A Q
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 8 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $36, Hero raises to $108, BTN/SB raises to $360, Hero raises to $612, BTN/SB calls $84 all in

Turn: ($924.00) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($924.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $924.00
Hero shows 7 6 A Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
BTN/SB shows 4 T 5 9 (two pair, Fives and Threes)
Hero wins $923.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #5
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $2780.05
BTN/SB: $384.65

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 5 A 7 K
BTN/SB calls $3, Hero raises to $18, BTN/SB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 2 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $30, BTN/SB calls $30

Turn: ($96.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $78, BTN/SB raises to $330, Hero raises to $582, BTN/SB calls $6.65 all in

River: ($769.30) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $769.30
Hero shows 5 A 7 K (a flush, Ace high)
BTN/SB shows J 9 4 5 (a straight, Six high)
Hero wins $768.80
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #6
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $1685.00
BB: $586.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN/SB with Q J A 8
Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 T Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB raises to $126, Hero raises to $414, BB raises to $568 all in, Hero calls $154

Turn: ($1172.00) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1172.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $1172.00
Hero shows Q J A 8 (a flush, Ace high)
BB shows T 5 Q T (three of a kind, Tens)
Hero wins $1171.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #7
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $703.50
BTN/SB: $371.50

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with Q 2 J K
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 2 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($72.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $72, Hero raises to $288, BTN/SB raises to $335.50 all in, Hero calls $47.50

River: ($743.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $743.00
Hero shows Q 2 J K (a straight, King high)
BTN/SB shows 7 J Q T (two pair, Queens and Tens)
Hero wins $742.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #8
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $1941.50
BB: $365.35

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN/SB with J A J K
Hero raises to $18, BB raises to $54, Hero calls $36

Flop: ($108.00) 4 K 3 (2 players)
BB bets $108, Hero calls $108

Turn: ($324.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $203.35 all in, Hero calls $203.35

River: ($730.70) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $730.70
Hero shows J A J K (two pair, Kings and Eights)
BB shows A 4 5 3 (two pair, Eights and Fours)
Hero wins $730.20
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #9
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $1579.45
BTN/SB: $330.75

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 6 3 A A
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, BTN/SB calls $36

Flop: ($108.00) 2 2 K (2 players)
Hero bets $72, BTN/SB raises to $276.75 all in, Hero calls $204.75

Turn: ($661.50) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($661.50) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $661.50
Hero shows 6 3 A A (two pair, Aces and Queens)
BTN/SB shows 5 7 A K (two pair, Kings and Queens)
Hero wins $661.00
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #10
Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $3007.20
BTN/SB: $323.75

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 7 A 6 8
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 9 4 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $36, Hero raises to $144, BTN/SB raises to $305.75 all in, Hero calls $161.75

Turn: ($647.50) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($647.50) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $647.50
Hero shows 7 A 6 8 (a straight, Nine high)
BTN/SB shows Q A T J (Ace Queen high)
Hero wins $647.00
(Rake: $0.50)
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I know onthelow was so 4 days ago.. but I just found the time to catch up on this thread.. and I know I wouldn't want to mess with his bet, as this post from March clearly shows he is making tons of money.. and more importantly, a big winner in games:
LOL $50 in 60,000 hands and wanted to make a $20k bet.
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wouldn't it be much easier for sites to take an extra penny in rake every 145th hand or something rather than elaborate schemes to determine which players need help to win hands and then adjust the deal so they can win a pot now and again regardless of how tragic their decisions might be with the end result being they get to play a little longer and pay more rake?
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LOL $50 in 60,000 hands and wanted to make a $20k bet.
he said he hoped to make some money by charging people to see his database. now I understand why.
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Conspiracy Theory:
- When a secret is so well-kept that everyone knows it.
- When there are countless people in the know, except, oddly, for those in a position to bring the accused to justice.
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