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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

07-01-2011 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
How many people would you murder if you got coolered THREE hands in a row? Just asking...

Juk
or four

i just got the chills...
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07-01-2011 , 10:19 AM
hmmm. seems normal to me. Don't know what your complaining about really played there for 5 years on Stars no problems. Yes obvs there's coolers why would there not be? Its poker is it not?

Anyways it seems that you had a cooler over a cooler as you say correct? Well I would not be too upset if you coolered another player only for someone to cooler you on turn or river, that is normal and it is a beat. What were the hands? how were they played? Prob bad I can assume that already, and you cannot expect to win if you play bad, even if you only play top 20 hands ONLY and are a nit its very bad to play that way online.

Tell me some bad beats Please! Not just one or two out stories. or AA vs KK and **** that stuff is normal, tell me when you consistanly get your Full House beat or your Stg Flush, then that is a real Bad Beat!
Later. Show hands history please and we see how you and other play hand and I will assure you its not rigged. But you will not post, so that goes to show it is in fact not rigged. My 2 cents
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07-01-2011 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nickybro27
hmmm. seems normal to me. Don't know what your complaining about really played there for 5 years on Stars no problems. Yes obvs there's coolers why would there not be? Its poker is it not?

Anyways it seems that you had a cooler over a cooler as you say correct? Well I would not be too upset if you coolered another player only for someone to cooler you on turn or river, that is normal and it is a beat. What were the hands? how were they played? Prob bad I can assume that already, and you cannot expect to win if you play bad, even if you only play top 20 hands ONLY and are a nit its very bad to play that way online.

Tell me some bad beats Please! Not just one or two out stories. or AA vs KK and **** that stuff is normal, tell me when you consistanly get your Full House beat or your Stg Flush, then that is a real Bad Beat!
Later. Show hands history please and we see how you and other play hand and I will assure you its not rigged. But you will not post, so that goes to show it is in fact not rigged. My 2 cents
no, it's rigged until shown otherwise...

..after you show me otherwise it's still rigged because you didn't take into account all rigging possibilities
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07-01-2011 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by foldemfedero
I log on to fraudstars first two hands dealt in bb cooler over cooler. I log on to enbjoy poker, not be lead on by this over actioned fraudulant gameplay. Thanks pokerstars for turning me off online poker with your rigged acvtion gameplay. Must be very good for rakes
the first two hands you were played you were the BB?
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07-01-2011 , 10:38 AM
I bet you lose every time you get dealt aces too
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07-01-2011 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I will keep that in mind for future chats with you if it will end them sooner.

All the best.
Cool.
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07-01-2011 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Cool.
While I generally abhor prop bets, I do have a lunch at stake with a team member (I entertain many with links to this thread) about personalities like yours, so this simple bet is that you always have to have the final word.

I am glad we have come to a general agreement on your need for small words, that is indeed cool, and I will keep it in mind for the future. What I need you to do now is reply to this post and then I win myself a lunch.

Note, you can literally say anything you like or need and I will yield that final word/statement to you (as it will get no further reply) to satisfy that need you have as it also serves my need of a well earned lunch.

Win/win as I see it so get to it and continue the pattern of behavior you have of doing what I say every time. Prove me wrong.

Thanks in advance and of course

All the best.
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07-01-2011 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Obviously, you are doing something wrong in both arenas. By fake titties, you mean plastic blow-up doll? You can't possibly mean fake tit on a real girl? (Start a fake tit poll and I will figure out how to vote multiple times to piss of Josem.)
I'm not pissed off by multiple voting, I'm just amused that the only rigging uncovered by this thread was the rigging conducted by rigtards to rig the poll at the start by creating multiple accounts and voting multiple times.
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07-01-2011 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
I have a feeling that the shilltard population will fall off considerably after that FT announcement. Some of the the ones trying the push their lies off on others about no card manipulation in OLP, were financially tied to FT. Good quess WIKI might be one. Of course Monteroy and Josem are tied in to PS.
I don't know if there was any financial payments made, but TheRealIABoomer who posted in this thread was a Full Tilt Moderator.

I doubt if he was motivated to post here by Full Tilt.
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07-01-2011 , 11:41 AM
Hmmm I never come into this thread but is it true that I am seeing raymears saying that Pokerstars is rigged but he is still playing there as per the above hand histories lol ?
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07-01-2011 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
While I generally abhor prop bets, I do have a lunch at stake with a team member (I entertain many with links to this thread) about personalities like yours, so this simple bet is that you always have to have the final word.

I am glad we have come to a general agreement on your need for small words, that is indeed cool, and I will keep it in mind for the future. What I need you to do now is reply to this post and then I win myself a lunch.

Note, you can literally say anything you like or need and I will yield that final word/statement to you (as it will get no further reply) to satisfy that need you have as it also serves my need of a well earned lunch.

Win/win as I see it so get to it and continue the pattern of behavior you have of doing what I say every time. Prove me wrong.

Thanks in advance and of course

All the best.
When people post to me i like to answer their posts. I consider it common courtesy to reply. But since you can never not have the last word either. Ill take that as complement.


A better prop bet for them would be to see if you could get though a month of posting without making unnecessarily long winded posts filled with personal insults to prop up your apparently damaged ego.

Nice company rep you got there guys.

Enjoy lunch monty.
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07-01-2011 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gss999
why is it everytime I try to steal the blind on Lock Poker super turbos, the BB either has an ace or one of my cards in his hand? I thought you only get an ace like 6 % of the time.
Chance player has ace

= 1 - 'chance he doesn't have ace'
= 1 - ('chance first card isn't ace' * 'chance second card isn't ace')
= 1 - (48/52 * 47/51)
= 14.9%

Anyway you probably have selection bias due to remembering when you run into a lot of aces, as you play an important showdown in those hands, and forgetting when you don't as stealing the blinds is 'standard'.
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07-01-2011 , 12:42 PM
Sick. FTP proved to be rigged in a way that I never suspected. They're just running with everyone's money (jk, sort of maybe, we might still get paid)
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07-01-2011 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
While I generally abhor prop bets, I do have a lunch at stake with a team member (I entertain many with links to this thread) about personalities like yours, so this simple bet is that you always have to have the final word.

I am glad we have come to a general agreement on your need for small words, that is indeed cool, and I will keep it in mind for the future. What I need you to do now is reply to this post and then I win myself a lunch.

Note, you can literally say anything you like or need and I will yield that final word/statement to you (as it will get no further reply) to satisfy that need you have as it also serves my need of a well earned lunch.

Win/win as I see it so get to it and continue the pattern of behavior you have of doing what I say every time. Prove me wrong.
Monty, you are, as is so often the case, being an annoying jerk.

The trick you are using is one that is usually discovered by schoolchildren at the age of around 12.

You accuse your opponent of 'having to have the last word'. This puts them in a difficult position. Either they say nothing and you have then got the last word or they say something and 'prove you right'.

It's the sort of tactic that can work sometimes on the less mature children but it's a dishonest one that most adults can see for what it is and is, frankly, a rather puerile way for a grown man to try and score points.

Can you not grow up and try and argue in a more honest and straightforward manner?
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07-01-2011 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
I'm not pissed off by multiple voting, I'm just amused that the only rigging uncovered by this thread was the rigging conducted by rigtards to rig the poll at the start by creating multiple accounts and voting multiple times.
Josem, I am trying to take over for Monty as ******* poster, just from the riggie side. Even though I abhor admitting it, despite your verified shill status, when you participate you make valuable contributions to this thread (which is like saying you make valuable contributions in group therapy at the psych ward).

Why you want to muckrake with the issue of one riggie that voted multiple times is beyond me because it distracts from your other valid opinion and information. Even if true, one or a few multiple votes by some idiot does not invalid to the poll (probably is not even statistically significant) nor eliminates the large number of people that voted they think online poker is rigged. Whether it is rigged or not, your industry and employer has to deal with the public perception. Raising the voting issue does nothing to improve that perception.


That being said, your company's response to BF and the information that has come out since about the other companies really does put Pokerstars at the top of the list of reputable on line sites (may not be much of a compliment given the competition). Kudos for the company's response and professionalism shown during this time.
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07-01-2011 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by archie1st
Hmmm I never come into this thread but is it true that I am seeing raymears saying that Pokerstars is rigged but he is still playing there as per the above hand histories lol ?
They all do that. There's one guy who's been bitching about O8 being rigged on FTP for 2 years, and he always had a new hand to post showing where they cheated him. Well, not an actual HH, but he'd type out about how his A2xx lost to a "worse" hand.

Hence the "tard" in "rigtard".
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07-01-2011 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
They all do that. There's one guy who's been bitching about O8 being rigged on FTP for 2 years, and he always had a new hand to post showing where they cheated him. Well, not an actual HH, but he'd type out about how his A2xx lost to a "worse" hand.

Hence the "tard" in "rigtard".
Haha fantastic!

Last edited by archie1st; 07-01-2011 at 02:16 PM.
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07-01-2011 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by archie1st
Haha fantastic!
You really need to be more specific, there's way too many fantastic posts, on the previous page alone, to really know which one you're referring to.
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07-01-2011 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
You really need to be more specific, there's way too many fantastic posts, on the previous page alone, to really know which one you're referring to.
Lol updated ^ but yeah you are right.

If its rigged then stop complaining guys and take up another hobby. But degens gonna degen.
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07-01-2011 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by archie1st
Lol updated ^ but yeah you are right.

If its rigged then stop complaining guys and take up another hobby. But degens gonna degen.
Yes, that's the sane reaction.

There's a reason why a lot of riggies are called 'rigtards'.

They are so ******ed that the continue to play on sites that the firmly believe are rigged against them.

Go, as they say, figure!
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07-01-2011 , 02:28 PM
This is a classic example of a naive player making a statement of cheating/rigging that I just saw on the RPM reg thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1644
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07-01-2011 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
This is a classic example of a naive player making a statement of cheating/rigging that I just saw on the RPM reg thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1644
Classic, indeed.

He complains about BB folding to his AA.

Someone responds; "If he could see your AA preflop because he was cheating, it would make a lot more sense for him to see the free flop knowing you had AA. DUCY?"

And he comes back with: "No i dont see why. Maybe he had 83 off. But you could be right about multi tabling.He could have been up for a few days also"

Wat?
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07-01-2011 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
This is a classic example of a naive player making a statement of cheating/rigging that I just saw on the RPM reg thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1644
He could of also clicked on the 'fold to any bet' box too. If it was really rigged, he would of went all in with 83, knowing 83x was going to flop, like at stars. I play @ RPM, I win there, as i do everywhere else, just stars I lose, on my own sn, I must just be UL?, lol. Hey PS's, dont let me catch you in the U.S. , LMAO.
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07-01-2011 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Josem, I am trying to take over for Monty as ******* poster, just from the riggie side. Even though I abhor admitting it, despite your verified shill status, when you participate you make valuable contributions to this thread (which is like saying you make valuable contributions in group therapy at the psych ward).

Why you want to muckrake with the issue of one riggie that voted multiple times is beyond me because it distracts from your other valid opinion and information. Even if true, one or a few multiple votes by some idiot does not invalid to the poll (probably is not even statistically significant) nor eliminates the large number of people that voted they think online poker is rigged. Whether it is rigged or not, your industry and employer has to deal with the public perception. Raising the voting issue does nothing to improve that perception.


That being said, your company's response to BF and the information that has come out since about the other companies really does put Pokerstars at the top of the list of reputable on line sites (may not be much of a compliment given the competition). Kudos for the company's response and professionalism shown during this time.

You are doing an excellent job with your posting approach as well, I am duly impressed, though you will only really achieve success when some of the riggies start calling you a shill (and then you can do that reversal back to full riggie spokesperson).

I gave up asking why Josem posts in this thread, basically you are asking him the same thing I have done many times in the past

When things settle down eventually people will appreciate (well riggies will not) how needed Black Friday and Purple Wednesday (my nickname for a couple days ago) were to the industry in the long run. As I watch people panic yet again this week (albeit much lower intensity) about if this happens to Tilt what about Stars/Party etc. I try my best to explain to them that in the marketplace, companies run like UB/AP especially and also like Tilt in time face a much higher percentage of running into "issues."

What happens at that time? The strong get stronger (and offer a reload bonus) and the industry gets more stable. That is what is happening now, and when the US gets its act together and properly legislates the games that will pretty much help complete this process the industry desperately needed to happen.

The fact that so many players were disrupted by this process is frankly unforgivable, and I do hope that many behind some of these companies are held accountable, but the reality is that market forces feel no sympathy in that regard. Essentially the marketplace is man-made nature where the weak get weaker and eventually die and the strong get stronger. We saw this as the industry went through the bonus whore phase toward the end and this is just the latest needed iteration.

As I said April 16th - Pokerstars will be even bigger than they were pre-Black Friday before the summer is done, and that is no doubt on the path of becoming true, because that is how the marketplace works at times like this.


My schedule is becoming more busy and while I have enjoyed my recent time here in the thread (always more fun messing with douche shills than riggies), I am looking forward to a couple solid riggies who can express themselves to help bring a new life to this thread, because I at times have a hard time keeping up with the extreme posters (on both sides).

My advice to you is to always mix up your game, though have respect for some of the better and nicer posters on both sides (as you did with Josem). The douches and idiots on both sides are your playground and fiddle with them as you like for your amusement and for the entertainment value of the thread. Play your cards right and you even win a lunch as a result

Keep up the good work here!

All the best.
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07-01-2011 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CigarMike
I play @ RPM, I win there, as i do everywhere else,
Bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha!

You a winner?

That's a good one.
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