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Old 05-22-2009, 10:06 AM   #3451
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:11 PM   #3452
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I haven't played this site for months now and I don't know why I'm bothered really (I've lost money there and moved onto to where I can actually win money) but at the same time I am truly BAFFLED at how this site continues to operate. There is a thread on another site and one of the posters told me to open up 4 tables of a tournament and just watch the action, making notes etc...

So I though I'd give it a go- I've just watched and made notes on a 90 player Knockout sit and go and the hands I saw, action hands, bad beats, coolers, it was just ****ing outright amazing at what I saw.

I saw quads 6's twice- both times all in pre flop vs an overpair, 99 all in vs AQ pre flop, board came ****ing 99AQQ...KQ vs AT all in on the turn, board is KJT9...river no less than the Q... I wrote most of them down but I'm not going to post them as hand histories alone prove nothing, but I just ask how can intelligent people play on this site?

I also challenge people to watch one of these low stakes 90 player sit and gos right through- open 4 tables and just watch the bull**** unfold before your eyes...

I'm not the smartest guy out there but I know basic stats and have a winning game at other sites, I know what is within the boundaries of expectation and what can happen, but FTP is just a constant action generator.

I saw one guy at the final table flop a set of 6's and bust out someone's KK.

The next hand he gets KK and holds up vs an open ended draw.

The very next hand he gets KK again and flops a ****ing set of kings! What are the odds of that?

Mid way through the game, 3 deep stack players go all in pre flop, TT vs A9 vs 44-

board comes Q97, A9 then takes the lead when turn comes a ace and then to finish it off, the deepest stacked player with 44 rivers a set!

I'm sure I'll get slated here but just basic observation of this one tournament was enough for me before uninstalling the software again but it was interesting to say the least to ust open up the 4 tables and observe the action.

Before slating me, just try it, open up a 90 player SNG and just watch the BS happen and then come here and tell me this site offers random deal.
I did what you said. I noticed nothing out of the ordinary. What do I win?
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:51 PM   #3453
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I did what you said. I noticed nothing out of the ordinary. What do I win?
You win nothing cos you're lying.

It doesn't matter, I expect no less than mockery from people instead of discussion on the issue.

I don't play there, so not really arsed, it is clear to me that the site doesn't offer a fair deal.

I also know I'm not the only one who knows it.

The only defense this site has is to move threads and put them all into one big thread and make fun of the OP's in order to move away from the real problems- such as FTP's action based RNG.

These American sites- such as AP and FTP, they aren't regulated and it is quite amusing that people play their and trust these sites would never alter the deal to increase action and excitement- both of which keep the casual player who doesn't know a lot playing.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:04 PM   #3454
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I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin,
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin,
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,

And it's a fair, and it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair
And it's a fair deal's a-gonna fall.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:05 PM   #3455
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

Recent email The Shill Awards received from from Phil Hellmuth

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Old 05-22-2009, 01:06 PM   #3456
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Hi Phil, I can assure you the First Annual Shill Awards are not rigged, the votes have been counted and tabulated by two independent organizations Cigital and BMM International, both independent companies were given full access to the shuffli…ah, voting machines and they confirmed the accuracy and security of the vote. Thank you for participating.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:20 PM   #3457
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it is clear to me that the site doesn't offer a fair deal.

I also know I'm not the only one who knows it.
It sounds like you have some evidence. Could you please share that?

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These American sites- such as AP and FTP, they aren't regulated
Did you mean to say, "aren't regulated by the United States"? I'm pretty sure FTP is regulated in about 20 major countries or so. Do those players get a different game? These are serious questions, so please respond sincerely.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:22 PM   #3458
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It doesn't matter, I expect no less than mockery from people instead of discussion on the issue.
You post paranoid nonsense and you get mocked.

You seem to be able to see patterns of riggedness where others can't and yet you do not see this very simple cause and effect pattern?

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it is clear to me that the site doesn't offer a fair deal.
It's only clear to you because you are a paranoid moron with no grasp of elementary probability maths.

such as FTP's action based RNG.
Even if a site were to rig the deal they would not rig the RNG. It would be far too complicated

These American sites- such as AP and FTP.
Check and see where FTP is based and on which stock market it is listed
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:30 PM   #3459
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

Are online poker sites rigged? I can't quite decide. Lets discuss it please.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:31 PM   #3460
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For what it is worth, I am still curious to see your results when you crunch more numbers.
I've just about completed the code I'm working on to do some interesting analysis, and correcting some things from last time. Also Indiana has gotten his database conversion up to about 700 million hands ready now, so I will try to get him to run my methods on that new database. Won't be long. I'll also be comparing FT and PS (and others) to see if there is any difference in equity vs. win distributions.

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Old 05-22-2009, 01:58 PM   #3461
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Are online poker sites rigged? I can't quite decide. Lets discuss it please.
Perhaps we should have a thread dedicated to the subject.
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:31 PM   #3462
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I've just about completed the code I'm working on to do some interesting analysis, and correcting some things from last time. Also Indiana has gotten his database conversion up to about 700 million hands ready now, so I will try to get him to run my methods on that new database. Won't be long. I'll also be comparing FT and PS (and others) to see if there is any difference in equity vs. win distributions.
Good stuff.

Now, how do you plan on handling comparing 700 million hands of unbiased data vs a guy who knows the "hidden truth" from having watched 20-30 hands
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:31 PM   #3463
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I saw one guy at the final table flop a set of 6's and bust out someone's KK.

The next hand he gets KK and holds up vs an open ended draw.

The very next hand he gets KK again and flops a ****ing set of kings! What are the odds of that?
Once I got dealt KhQs, next hand i got Jh 2d and THEN i got Tc7c AND THEN, would you believe it Qd7s. WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT!!!

I have got a serious question for you. What are the odds that a rigtard can watch 4 tables for a while and not find some kind of bad beat, mystical pattern of cards, suckout, bad play rewarded etc that will feed their paranoia?

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Old 05-22-2009, 02:52 PM   #3464
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Once I got dealt KhQs, next hand i got Jh 2d and THEN i got Tc7c AND THEN, would you believe it Qd7s. WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT!!!
On a rigged or not rigged site?
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:52 PM   #3465
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I don't get all the people defending everything. You can't prove it either way.

It would make sense if all the "winners" defended and all "losers" thought it was rigged.

I don't know, poker used to be fun. The better I got the less I want play with this BS. Really wished I could play some real poker.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:01 PM   #3466
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You win nothing cos you're lying.

I don't play there, so not really arsed, it is clear to me that the site doesn't offer a fair deal.

I also know I'm not the only one who thinks it.
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It would make sense if all the "winners" defended and all "losers" thought it was rigged.
Yes, it would make sense, wouldn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:40 PM   #3467
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:43 PM   #3468
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On a rigged or not rigged site?
I'll check whether I was up or down for the session and get back to you
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**** you to anyone saying its not rigged.

Go **** yourself.

**** you Poker Stars.
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Old 05-22-2009, 05:23 PM   #3470
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I don't get all the people defending everything. You can't prove it either way.

It would make sense if all the "winners" defended and all "losers" thought it was rigged.

I don't know, poker used to be fun. The better I got the less I want play with this BS. Really wished I could play some real poker.
It's only been explained about 20 times, but shockingly enough you continue to ignore it.
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**** you to anyone saying its not rigged.

Go **** yourself.

**** you Poker Stars.
Oh, and then you add this little gem.

Do you come in here and make your BBVesque posts every time you get knocked out of a SNG or what?
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Old 05-22-2009, 05:35 PM   #3471
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full tilt is rigged.
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:27 PM   #3472
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This thread is rigged.
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:53 PM   #3473
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:58 PM   #3474
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stars is more rigged than fulltilt but less rigged than AP/UB
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stars is more rigged than fulltilt but less rigged than AP/UB
As i mentioned before, full tilt is rigged.
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