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Old 05-21-2009, 03:05 PM   #3426
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Poker in 2004 was a game with 300% Rakeback and 2009 with 40/ 50%, thats the reason why i play extreme less last 18 month.

Maybe this Rake-difference is also a reason for the feeling of rigged cards, at small stakes its a big BB / 100 difference.

But i agree that i never believe in real random shuffling, its to easy to improve the rake / profit with a few setups here and there. The bigger problem is of course neural net based bots, hacked accounts, cheating...
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:07 PM   #3427
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I actually wasted an hour+ on this forum today thinking I can get paid by someone taking up my bet.
fyi: providing data to support your claims isn't a "bet."
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:31 PM   #3428
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I have to get that off my chest. But I will say this to anyone reading this and thinking I am lying. Bet it. Plain and simple. Good day all.
OK, I'll bet it.

I've lodged $20,000 in escrow with the Lizard People.

They are 110.7% trustworthy.

When you've done the same, let me know and once they've confirmed and you provide the data, and we'll sit down with a plate of ice cream sandwiches and work this thing out.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:08 PM   #3429
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You know, being the man I am, I will say this. I acted out of character by some of my language. I dont need to type in all big letters to get my point across. Anyone who knows me personally knows one of the things that aggravates me is when people claim i am lying yet wont put any money down when I challenge them. ITo me it just shows me your a coward. I mean thats just my opinion.I get anxious at the site of making money at another mans stupidity. It makes me wild and rowdy. I need to work on that. But anyway, thats not my style and I dont act like that. I actually wasted an hour+ on this forum today thinking I can get paid by someone taking up my bet. But I have to rememebr I am dealing with cowards. And cowards never act when they are called out too. They hide behind words.

I have to get that off my chest. But I will say this to anyone reading this and thinking I am lying. Bet it. Plain and simple. Good day all.
Do you really think that anybody is going to bet $20k with some random lunatic who uses CAPITALS to show what a big man he is? How are you going to prove the database is yours anyway, do you think people are stupid? Is it wrong of me to hope someone takes you up on your offer and somehow scams you? Yes it is but I don't care.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:25 PM   #3430
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There is, it is called rake.

The site makes rake no matter who wins.

Rake is how the site makes money.

People pay rake to play the game. The site takes in this rake.


It really aint that complicated.
Ah ha! But by keeping the fish flush with cash, they get more rake from the fish. It's the perfect scam!!


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Old 05-21-2009, 05:30 PM   #3431
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Old 05-21-2009, 06:47 PM   #3432
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:01 PM   #3433
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Quoting John “ Johnny Quads” Wenzel from his book "The Everything Texas Hold’em Book".

“ Don’t expect to read anything critical of online poker. Virtually every author of a book on the subject is affiliated with a poker website, as are most of today’s name pros, gambling magazines and poker forums which derive major revenue from internet cardroom ads.”
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:18 PM   #3434
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“ Don’t expect to read anything critical of online poker. Virtually every author of a book on the subject is affiliated with a poker website, as are most of today’s name pros, gambling magazines and poker forums which derive major revenue from internet cardroom ads.”
There's *some* truth to this, especially when you look at Phil Hellmuth's and Annie Duke's behavior with the UB scandal.
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:42 PM   #3435
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Old 05-21-2009, 08:55 PM   #3436
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You know, being the man I am, I will say this. I acted out of character by some of my language. I dont need to type in all big letters to get my point across. Anyone who knows me personally knows one of the things that aggravates me is when people claim i am lying yet wont put any money down when I challenge them. ITo me it just shows me your a coward. I mean thats just my opinion.I get anxious at the site of making money at another mans stupidity. It makes me wild and rowdy. I need to work on that. But anyway, thats not my style and I dont act like that. I actually wasted an hour+ on this forum today thinking I can get paid by someone taking up my bet. But I have to rememebr I am dealing with cowards. And cowards never act when they are called out too. They hide behind words.

I have to get that off my chest. But I will say this to anyone reading this and thinking I am lying. Bet it. Plain and simple. Good day all.


Kind of interesting to see manhood defined in the simplistic "oh yeah, bet on it" belief, but to your credit you are genuine in those beliefs ( I assume an offshoot of degenerate gambling), strange as they may be.

Recognize also now that you have calmed down a little, that perhaps engaging in a random, crazed, emotional bet of 20 grand with a stranger on the internet just because that is how he defines being a man is a bit, well, insane is the best word.

Did you play 100k hands? Sure, why not. Lots play that in a month.

Did you win? Maybe, who knows and realistically I doubt many actually care.

Does it make sense if you did win as much as you say that you would become a crazed riggedologist and quit because magical forces are against you? Not really.

Are you emotionally stable? That one is kind of obvious


So in the end we have an emotionally unstable fellow, with a story that makes little sense that will not back it up unless someone bets him $20,000 as a testiment to being a man.

Try to imagine how that actually looks when you are not actually that guy, and understand why you are not taken as seriously as you think you deserve.

Anyway, seems you made a choice you are satisfied with, so for that I say good job. Many riggedologists continue playing even after they are convinced their losses are or any reason other then their own, so it is nice to see not everyone fall into that trap.

All the best.
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:06 PM   #3437
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You know, being the man I am, I will say this. I acted out of character by some of my language. I dont need to type in all big letters to get my point across. Anyone who knows me personally knows one of the things that aggravates me is when people claim i am lying yet wont put any money down when I challenge them. ITo me it just shows me your a coward. I mean thats just my opinion.I get anxious at the site of making money at another mans stupidity. It makes me wild and rowdy. I need to work on that. But anyway, thats not my style and I dont act like that. I actually wasted an hour+ on this forum today thinking I can get paid by someone taking up my bet. But I have to rememebr I am dealing with cowards. And cowards never act when they are called out too. They hide behind words.

I have to get that off my chest. But I will say this to anyone reading this and thinking I am lying. Bet it. Plain and simple. Good day all.

You really do this to people in real life? Do you yell at them while asking them to bet you as well? You sound like a fun guy
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:57 AM   #3438
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:42 AM   #3439
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Quoting John “ Johnny Quads” Wenzel from his book "The Everything Texas Hold’em Book".

“ Don’t expect to read anything critical of online poker. Virtually every author of a book on the subject is affiliated with a poker website, as are most of today’s name pros, gambling magazines and poker forums which derive major revenue from internet cardroom ads.”
To the best of my knowledge, neither Mark, qpw, Spadebidder nor I have authored any books.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:35 AM   #3440
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i am really being a loser by responding. After this im done for good
If only people kept to their word but unfortunately:


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NO ONE WANTS TO BET lol. Look at this.............
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:51 AM   #3441
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How is ps not rigged when I am on a 21 BI downswing!!
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:55 AM   #3442
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See you soon I guess
I don't know. Ever since I posted this:

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OK, I'll bet it.

I've lodged $20,000 in escrow with the Lizard People.

They are 110.7% trustworthy.

When you've done the same, let me know and once they've confirmed and you provide the data, and we'll sit down with a plate of ice cream sandwiches and work this thing out.
He's not posted.

Do you think that perhaps he thought his bet had been called and is now hiding under a table somewhere?
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:49 AM   #3443
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FTP

I haven't played this site for months now and I don't know why I'm bothered really (I've lost money there and moved onto to where I can actually win money) but at the same time I am truly BAFFLED at how this site continues to operate. There is a thread on another site and one of the posters told me to open up 4 tables of a tournament and just watch the action, making notes etc...

So I though I'd give it a go- I've just watched and made notes on a 90 player Knockout sit and go and the hands I saw, action hands, bad beats, coolers, it was just ****ing outright amazing at what I saw.

I saw quads 6's twice- both times all in pre flop vs an overpair, 99 all in vs AQ pre flop, board came ****ing 99AQQ...KQ vs AT all in on the turn, board is KJT9...river no less than the Q... I wrote most of them down but I'm not going to post them as hand histories alone prove nothing, but I just ask how can intelligent people play on this site?

I also challenge people to watch one of these low stakes 90 player sit and gos right through- open 4 tables and just watch the bull**** unfold before your eyes...

I'm not the smartest guy out there but I know basic stats and have a winning game at other sites, I know what is within the boundaries of expectation and what can happen, but FTP is just a constant action generator.

I saw one guy at the final table flop a set of 6's and bust out someone's KK.

The next hand he gets KK and holds up vs an open ended draw.

The very next hand he gets KK again and flops a ****ing set of kings! What are the odds of that?

Mid way through the game, 3 deep stack players go all in pre flop, TT vs A9 vs 44-

board comes Q97, A9 then takes the lead when turn comes a ace and then to finish it off, the deepest stacked player with 44 rivers a set!

I'm sure I'll get slated here but just basic observation of this one tournament was enough for me before uninstalling the software again but it was interesting to say the least to ust open up the 4 tables and observe the action.

Before slating me, just try it, open up a 90 player SNG and just watch the BS happen and then come here and tell me this site offers random deal.
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:01 AM   #3444
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tl;dr

this thread will not end well
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Just to add, I'm not going off emotionally charged views asI haven't played there for months- such as only remembering bad beats as they affect me more etc as I was simply observing hands, I couldn't give a **** who won, I was just observing and noting the action, and what I saw truly shocked me...
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:08 AM   #3446
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"I'm not the smartest guy out there ".....The one true statement in the OP....
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:33 AM   #3447
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tell me this site offers random deal.
I think you may not know what random deal means.
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I saw quads 6's twice- both times all in pre flop vs an overpair,
99 all in vs AQ pre flop,
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin,
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin,
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,

And it's a fair, and it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair
And it's a fair deal's a-gonna fall.
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I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin,
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin,
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,

And it's a fair, and it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair
And it's a fair deal's a-gonna fall.
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I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin,
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin,
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,

And it's a fair, and it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair
And it's a fair deal's a-gonna fall.
Dylan would not be pleased.
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