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Old 05-16-2009, 02:26 PM   #3376
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OMG Listen here guys. This is the proof you have all been waiting for. It's finally ****ing exposed!!!

I was lurking around the ghetto Mobile, Alabama and I heard a shuffle up in the tree. I figured it was just a crack head, but then this leprechaun in a tree asked if I played online poker. I was hesitant at first to answer since I thought he might be an undercover and this was a set up. Well finally I said, **** it, I want da gold!!!!. He said good muahahahaha. He handed me the boom/doom switch. I said thanks *****! I ran home faster than a speeding bullet (even superman called me and said that it was super fast) and now I'm rich *****!!! Umm i swear this is true.

The end.

Here is your proof:



O_o

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Old 05-16-2009, 02:29 PM   #3377
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Here is your proof:

O_o indeed!
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:55 PM   #3378
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I think you'll be ok, but just in case I suggest you deflect further investigation by calling people who want the truth "shills" or something equally hurtful.
Oh, that would just be too cruel.

I should be OK, though.

I have the illuminati and the lizard people to protect me.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:45 PM   #3379
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derailers at work itt
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:16 AM   #3380
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I prefer to keep my Poker account name unknown for many reasons which I wont share with you at this point in time. I never said my game was perfect, I said it was solid, which it is, and it specifically did not require analysing for this particular statistic.
This is called avoidance. You certainly do not have to provide information to back your fairly wild claims, but if you choose that then expect no one to believe anything you say for obvious reasons.

You seem bright enough to realize this, imagine if a total stranger was telling you similar bizarre stories and saying "I could prove it but I choose not to" for all sorts of mysterious reasons. Do you just accept what that person says at face value? If so, then good luck as you will be swarmed by people happily capitalizing on your trusting and naive approach.

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K/K calling an all in 3bet when lower chip stack count on or within bubble +5 vs all hands in a 61,000+ sample is 40% winner. This has nothing to do with play style, or anything other than clicking CALL (since thats all you can do when reraise all in) after a reraise.

A/K calling an all in 3bet when lower chip stack count on the bubble or within bubble +5 vs all other non paired A/x hands is a 20% winner in a 61,000+ sample.
Until you provide proof these are called "made up stats." Here, watch

I have lost with AK vs AQ 27 of the last 29 times all in.

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Now thats really not what killed my bankroll, it was an increase in catching these in a 2500 hand sample while maintaining this totally unrealistic non winning percentage. These are tourney specific hands as I dont play cash games, and I am not commenting on the cash game side of it.
Your bankroll management killed your bankroll. Proper bankroll management can get through bad variance runs.

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Like I said these are specific and have no bearing on play style. I am certainly no riggologist but givin the situation its painfully obvious to those who have seen this kind of impossible run that something is rotten in denmark.
You just said you are not a rigged believer and followed it by saying you think something is rigged.


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I also find it amusing that you personally attack me or my game instead of considering the possibility that this is not normal.
Similarly I find it amusing that you think it has to be something mystical at work targeting specifically you instead of an element of your game (your bankroll management for instance).



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The Lizard People told me to get it back on track.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:40 AM   #3381
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I have lost with AK vs AQ 27 of the last 29 times all in.
Good heavens!

Rigged, imo.
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Old 05-17-2009, 06:47 PM   #3382
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I think all sites add a curve to the algorithm,i have played on all sites for about 6 years and have done pretty good on all of them but i still say their software is less then straight up,just my thoughts,..lately i have been playing around for fun on nbc`s poker site,the cards do not seem quite so dramatic...so far.
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Old 05-17-2009, 07:41 PM   #3383
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I think all sites add a curve to the algorithm,i have played on all sites for about 6 years and have done pretty good on all of them but i still say their software is less then straight up,just my thoughts,..lately i have been playing around for fun on nbc`s poker site,the cards do not seem quite so dramatic...so far.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:23 PM   #3384
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:53 PM   #3385
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Great find! I think we can /thread now, nothing more to see here.

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Old 05-18-2009, 02:22 AM   #3386
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We've been warning you about this for ages.

But people keep allowing themselves to get distracted by 'poker is rigged' theories transmitted directly into their minds by the lizard people's agents, the mole men.

For God's sakes, everyone, get your foil hats before it's too late.

If nothing else, think of the children!
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:26 AM   #3387
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I have lost with AK vs AQ 27 of the last 29 times all in.

Do you believe me?

Sure. That's standard on PS.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:05 PM   #3388
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3 players have QJ pre

Flop QJx

You'd think KK would be good.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:08 PM   #3389
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3 players have QJ pre

Flop QJx

You'd think KK would be good.
no, we'd think that if you know it's rigged and you can't win that you would've stopped playing and posting your bad beat stories by now.

Also, please post that HH so we can verify/critique it.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:10 PM   #3390
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K13, if all you're here to do is whine incessantly about your bad beats, you're in luck...there's a forum just for that purpose!

Beats, Brags, and Variance
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:26 PM   #3391
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3 players have QJ pre

Flop QJx

You'd think KK would be good.
Board: Qh Js 2d
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.202% 00.55% 21.65% 972 38352.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 1: 22.202% 00.55% 21.65% 972 38352.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 2: 22.202% 00.55% 21.65% 972 38352.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 3: 33.394% 33.39% 00.00% 59148 0.00 { KK }
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:07 PM   #3392
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Board: Qh Js 2d
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.202% 00.55% 21.65% 972 38352.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 1: 22.202% 00.55% 21.65% 972 38352.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 2: 22.202% 00.55% 21.65% 972 38352.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 3: 33.394% 33.39% 00.00% 59148 0.00 { KK }
I think he means Preflop with those hands, the flop of both a Q and J is unlikely It's a bad beat preflop not postflop
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:30 PM   #3393
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 86.786% 86.67% 00.11% 3252969936 4308012.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 04.405% 02.31% 02.10% 86618160 78703740.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 2: 04.405% 02.31% 02.10% 86618160 78703740.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 3: 04.405% 02.31% 02.10% 86618160 78703740.00 { QJs, QJo }

Meh, not even as bad as someone hitting a gutshot on you with one card to come.

Not BBV worthy.
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 86.786% 86.67% 00.11% 3252969936 4308012.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 04.405% 02.31% 02.10% 86618160 78703740.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 2: 04.405% 02.31% 02.10% 86618160 78703740.00 { QJs, QJo }
Hand 3: 04.405% 02.31% 02.10% 86618160 78703740.00 { QJs, QJo }

Meh, not even as bad as someone hitting a gutshot on you with one card to come.

Not BBV worthy.

Its more like set vs set ? becouse only one Q and one J was left in a deck.
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Its more like set vs set ? becouse only one Q and one J was left in a deck.
The focus was on KK winning, which as you can see happens about 87% of the time:
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Old 05-21-2009, 10:50 AM   #3396
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no, we'd think that if you know it's rigged and you can't win that you would've stopped playing and posting your bad beat stories by now.

Also, please post that HH so we can verify/critique it.
"winning" is not hard since 90% of these players are horrible.

But unless I saw the actual software algorithm I don't believe its completely "random"

There's a business at stake. Poker is cut-throat. I'm sure there's a small edge in the software somewhere.

Since I'm never going to go broke with my BR management, I gotta keep playing.

Just as I'm typing this my QQ loses to 45 pre. What a surprise. Dude will probably make the WSOP now and win it.
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Let your mom, sister or grandma play and you'll see how bad poker wins more than it should.
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:11 AM   #3398
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Let your mom, sister or grandma play and you'll see how bad poker wins more than it should.
K13, As you know I understand you view and your feelings, however I will try one suggestion b4 you quit playing online poker thinking it's absolutely rigged. You mentioned BR management which are great guidelines to follow, but maybe your better then what the BR tells you what stakes to play. I'd play out of your comfort zone a couple times and try a higher stake. You have to keep in mind that any knuckle head can buy a gift card and make a minimum deposit and play a 5-20 dollar tournament. If your a serious player, not like the donkey's that think JQ off is gold b/c "they're drawing to a straight preflop" you might find your better then what you think.
FYI, when I play on stars or FTP, my friends would live in the 6 dollar sngs. I felt more comfortable playing 27 dollar sngs(and was more successful) with only 100 dollars in my account then I did playing 6 dollar sngs all day. Too many donkeys are able to pay 6 dollars for a sng...you find donkeys anywhere you play, however less is better...I don't know your situation and I don't doubt how you feel, but b4 you give up try playing with players that match your skill level....
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K13, As you know I understand you view and your feelings, however I will try one suggestion b4 you quit playing online poker thinking it's absolutely rigged. You mentioned BR management which are great guidelines to follow, but maybe your better then what the BR tells you what stakes to play. I'd play out of your comfort zone a couple times and try a higher stake. You have to keep in mind that any knuckle head can buy a gift card and make a minimum deposit and play a 5-20 dollar tournament. If your a serious player, not like the donkey's that think JQ off is gold b/c "they're drawing to a straight preflop" you might find your better then what you think.
FYI, when I play on stars or FTP, my friends would live in the 6 dollar sngs. I felt more comfortable playing 27 dollar sngs(and was more successful) with only 100 dollars in my account then I did playing 6 dollar sngs all day. Too many donkeys are able to pay 6 dollars for a sng...you find donkeys anywhere you play, however less is better...I don't know your situation and I don't doubt how you feel, but b4 you give up try playing with players that match your skill level....
so much bad advice... but it does explane a lot
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:19 AM   #3400
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But unless I saw the actual software algorithm I don't believe its completely "random"

There's a business at stake. Poker is cut-throat. I'm sure there's a small edge in the software somewhere.

There is, it is called rake.

The site makes rake no matter who wins.

Rake is how the site makes money.

People pay rake to play the game. The site takes in this rake.


It really aint that complicated.



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Since I'm never going to go broke with my BR management, I gotta keep playing.

Just as I'm typing this my QQ loses to 45 pre. What a surprise. Dude will probably make the WSOP now and win it.

What type of reply do you ever expect from this?

Play 45 more often then if you think that is how the pattern mapper works and plot the results.



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"winning" is not hard since 90% of these players are horrible.
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Let your mom, sister or grandma play and you'll see how bad poker wins more than it should.

So bad players lose a ton? No wait, they win a ton?

I wish riggedologists would at least make up their mind which rigged belief to stick with and be consistent.



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K13, As you know I understand you view and your feelings, however I will try one suggestion b4 you quit playing online poker thinking it's absolutely rigged. You mentioned BR management which are great guidelines to follow, but maybe your better then what the BR tells you what stakes to play. I'd play out of your comfort zone a couple times and try a higher stake. You have to keep in mind that any knuckle head can buy a gift card and make a minimum deposit and play a 5-20 dollar tournament. If your a serious player, not like the donkey's that think JQ off is gold b/c "they're drawing to a straight preflop" you might find your better then what you think.
FYI, when I play on stars or FTP, my friends would live in the 6 dollar sngs. I felt more comfortable playing 27 dollar sngs(and was more successful) with only 100 dollars in my account then I did playing 6 dollar sngs all day. Too many donkeys are able to pay 6 dollars for a sng...you find donkeys anywhere you play, however less is better...I don't know your situation and I don't doubt how you feel, but b4 you give up try playing with players that match your skill level....

Cliff Notes: He is suggesting you find better players to play against at an uncomfortable buy in level instead of playing against bad players at a level within your bankroll.

You may want to get a second opinion about this approach.

Good luck.
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