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05-24-2011 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
I played 380 hands
There should have been 8.75 starting pockets [AA KK QQ JJ 1010]
I'm not well versed in all the poker stats, but this doesn't sound right. Isn't the odds of hitting a big PP like one in 220? So in 230 hands, picking up two big PP hands (QQ both times) sounds about right to me?
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05-24-2011 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
the problem is that even though the manipulated deal in online poker is fairly predictable, its not 100%.
I am glossing over the slap fight you and Wiki are having to bring up an interesting point that if his code breaking methodology even slightly changes the odds in his favor then that can be used to make a ton of money in the long term.

That was the simple foundation of casino bonus whoring back in the day which had nothing to do with gambling and everything to do with creating an edge and then plowing through as much volume as possible and by doing so it became impossible to lose.


If his silly D and L thing had any kind of real results in terms of predicting outcomes, even if it was only right even less than 50% of the time it could still be worth a ton of money because what it would effectively do is allow him to avoid spots where he should lose money most of the time and capitalize on spots where he would normally lose instead.


Obviously this guy is just amusing himself with his D and L stuff and if that makes the game more fun for him then it is a good choice to make, especially since a good or bad day is 50 cents in profits or losses for him. However if he could (even with a small degree of accuracy) predict when his QQ and KK hands faced AA hands then he could make a killing on that in many ways, especially since he will also be able to tell when his aces will go against similar hands (which he can then overbet a ton knowing he will get paid).


I realize you just go on emotion and a lack of details and logic, but real people with real skill and ability break systems all the time and make a killing out of them and they find much, much smaller edges than this guy's "D and L" theory in the penny games he plays to do so, so your general simplistic belief (as quoted above) is so laughably naive and wrong that it helps explain why those that can break systems make a killing while guys like you simply watch and drool.


D and L guy is a drooler as well, but at least he is amusing himself while playing.

As for you, just stick with calling people shills, dreamers and Lizard People and avoid trying to explain any concept with logic. You are mundane but adequate at the former behavior but are completely out of your league and skill set with the latter behavior.


All the best.
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05-24-2011 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
I called the raise so I could see the flop
When w2tamm goes all in my QQ is an auto fold I was lucky shrudinger calls otherwise I would never have known about the AA 1010+10 crap
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Not every dead hand looses not every live hand wins what I try to do is play much the same dead or live. Then compare the 2 groups of hands
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You really are just making it up as you go along aren't you?

The times you type D, fold but don't see the board you undoubtedly chalk that up as a correct prediction, don't you?
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05-24-2011 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am glossing over the slap fight you and Wiki are having to bring up an interesting point that if his code breaking methodology even slightly changes the odds in his favor then that can be used to make a ton of money in the long term.

That was the simple foundation of casino bonus whoring back in the day which had nothing to do with gambling and everything to do with creating an edge and then plowing through as much volume as possible and by doing so it became impossible to lose.


If his silly D and L thing had any kind of real results in terms of predicting outcomes, even if it was only right even less than 50% of the time it could still be worth a ton of money because what it would effectively do is allow him to avoid spots where he should lose money most of the time and capitalize on spots where he would normally lose instead.


Obviously this guy is just amusing himself with his D and L stuff and if that makes the game more fun for him then it is a good choice to make, especially since a good or bad day is 50 cents in profits or losses for him. However if he could (even with a small degree of accuracy) predict when his QQ and KK hands faced AA hands then he could make a killing on that in many ways, especially since he will also be able to tell when his aces will go against similar hands (which he can then overbet a ton knowing he will get paid).


I realize you just go on emotion and a lack of details and logic, but real people with real skill and ability break systems all the time and make a killing out of them and they find much, much smaller edges than this guy's "D and L" theory in the penny games he plays to do so, so your general simplistic belief (as quoted above) is so laughably naive and wrong that it helps explain why those that can break systems make a killing while guys like you simply watch and drool.


D and L guy is a drooler as well, but at least he is amusing himself while playing.

As for you, just stick with calling people shills, dreamers and Lizard People and avoid trying to explain any concept with logic. You are mundane but adequate at the former behavior but are completely out of your league and skill set with the latter behavior.


All the best.
You might be right about that, but when it comes to being a decent human being, you are the one thats way out of your league.
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05-24-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
you are the one thats way out of your league.
He's out of HIS league? You're a bit clueless, aren't you?
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05-24-2011 , 01:25 PM
I fink wot you said is fakkin brilliant mate.
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05-24-2011 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
I fink wot you said is fakkin brilliant mate.
Glad to see that those English lessons you've been taking have improved your communications skills quite radically.

Keep taking the classes.
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05-24-2011 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
You might be right about that, but when it comes to being a decent human being, you are the one thats way out of your league.
For someone who repeatedly issues libels accusing criminal activities without a shred of evidence to back them up, criticising someone else for not being a decent human being is a bit rich.
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05-24-2011 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
For someone who repeatedly issues libels accusing criminal activities without a shred of evidence to back them up, criticising someone else for not being a decent human being is a bit rich.
Pretty sure anyone implying someone else isn't a basic human being just because of a disagreement over a game has pretty significant issues anyway.
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05-24-2011 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Pretty sure anyone implying someone else isn't a basic human being just because of a disagreement over a game has pretty significant issues anyway.
Has nothing to do with that.
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05-24-2011 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Has nothing to do with that.
So you do have significant issues, then?

It's just that you don't happen to believe that they have anything to do with poker - i.e. your poker issues are just a symptom of wider, more deeply seated problems?
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05-24-2011 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Has nothing to do with that.
Then what are you basing your "basic decent human being" comment on? Anyone who disagrees with you is by default...what? A criminal? An idiot? A non-decent human being?
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05-24-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
So you do have significant issues, then?

It's just that you don't happen to believe that they have anything to do with poker - i.e. your poker issues are just a symptom of wider, more deeply seated problems?
This catches your full attention maybe cause you identify with it? Stop pointing the finger at others and look in the mirror for where the problem really resides perhaps?? Your whole, I know you are but what am I posts also tears down any valid points you have ever made a few times, and I mean only a few.
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05-24-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CigarMike
This catches your full attention maybe cause you identify with it? Stop pointing the finger at others and look in the mirror for where the problem really resides perhaps?? Your whole, I know you are but what am I posts also tears down any valid points you have ever made a few times, and I mean only a few.
Wiki made a valid point????????
That is news to me!! When did this ever happen?
All ive ever read is his site promoting B.S.
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05-24-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Wiki made a valid point????????
Well, now that you've used 8 question marks I'm convinced that everything you've ever said is true.
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05-24-2011 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
All ive ever read is his site promoting B.S.
Which site is he promoting?
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05-24-2011 , 10:21 PM
@blatantlyrigged - that troll gimmick is played out and you really just look like an idiot now, even to honest riggies. Is it still fun for you?

Don't spend too much time flaming me, I probably won't check this thread again for another couple months. I just decided to check today when it appeared in the new posts list, and all I see is your ridiculous trash talk every other post. Nothing to see here folks.

Oh, and this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/pr...gnore&u=270809
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05-25-2011 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CigarMike
This catches your full attention maybe cause you identify with it? Stop pointing the finger at others and look in the mirror for where the problem really resides perhaps??
The problem here is, and has always been, people making wild and libelous allegations of criminal activity without a shred of evidence.

That is is it.

The rest is just embellishment from rigtards who are trying to create a smokescreen to hide the fact that they have absolutely nothing.

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Your whole, I know you are but what am I posts also tears down any valid points you have ever made ...
Really?

Are you really that stupid?

If I point out that 1 + 1 = 2 and later make a post of the type that you describe, does that mean that 1 + 1 no longer equals 2?

You really do need to do a course on logic and critical thinking before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
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05-25-2011 , 05:37 AM
I for one am very interested in this D and L stuff Sewhog, more info please.
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05-25-2011 , 06:03 AM
lol, good luck on getting more "info"

NFuego20 says "D", and has proven thread is rigged.

That should help.
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05-25-2011 , 06:25 AM
I read the forums don’t post much
Felt I had to have a say, I agree with other post this D stuff is very unusual never heard anything like it. Love to hear more.
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05-25-2011 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratsoo48
I for one am very interested in this D and L stuff Sewhog, more info please.
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Originally Posted by kingcronus
I read the forums don’t post much
Felt I had to have a say, I agree with other post this D stuff is very unusual never heard anything like it. Love to hear more.
If either of you are serious, don't bother.

It's just standard rigtard nonsense.

I slight diversion from the normal: "It's rigged, I can tell from the hands I had last night" kind of posts.
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05-25-2011 , 07:18 AM
It’s the concept that I find disturbing, anyone can drag out zillions of hands and find patterns. If Sewhog can predict outcomes, that’s something else.
Some say the QQ wasn’t all that significant. I disagree, I believe it was a very significant, if I was the player holding AA and someone with QQ calls his hand dead preflop then folds, I would be so pissed off. This is verging on cheating.
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05-25-2011 , 07:34 AM
I already said if he had anything to his D and L thing I would show him how to make 6 figures every month with it. For now he seems content with his lifetime winnings of about 2 bucks using his super power, so use common sense as a guide with regard to evaluating his supposed paranormal abilities.

Those interested should offer him $10 to share his gift on skype/teamviewer and he will probably accept since that dwarfs his lifetime winnings at poker. At least then he will be making more money with his "gift," so now I have explained multiple ways he could do that. Not sure how many more money making suggestions need be said before someone who can see the future actually makes money with that power.

He probably knew I would post this, and made no money knowing that...


All the best


D!
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05-25-2011 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kingcronus
It’s the concept that I find disturbing, anyone can drag out zillions of hands and find patterns. If Sewhog can predict outcomes, that’s something else.
He can't.

Over the years we have had a regular stream of riggies who have come here and said, more or less seriously, that they can predict what is going to happen and that it is way outside of what is expected.

The standard response is: "How much have you made using this ability?" and "Why on earth are you telling everyone this valuable information when you could easily be using it to make a fortune".

If they ever answer at all it's just backtracking and excuses. Not one of them has even claimed to have made anything significant.
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