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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,508 34.88%
No
5,615 55.84%
Undecided
933 9.28%

05-13-2011 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by subs
the thing is it doesnt matter what i do... you still will never believe its me... if i show you pictures of my databases you will say i manipulated everything... if i give you my screen name... you will say its not me or that im a site shill who gets a boost to promote the company and "prove" that someone can win

so now you can go back to calling me a dreamer/shill/etc
NO, i actually think you might be one of the VERY FEW players on here.
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05-13-2011 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ken******
I will tell you again that your account is in laymen terms is manipulated by the software even the money you see in your account is not real untill you withdraw.Your account is based on rake/deposits/withdraws ect for 95% this will determine a lot of variables in the providers parameters for your account.
well... i guess its not real until i withdraw... much the same way money in your bank account or money you have in investments isnt real until you actually have the cash in your hands

also if my account is based on rake/deposits/withdraws then i have lots of rake on stars (not even close to as much any other site)... no deposits besides when they have reload bonuses on stars (maybe 4 or 5 deposits in my 7 years of playing online)... and many many withdraws... wouldnt this make me a prime candidate to get doomswitched? no deposit boomswitch and lots of withdraws?

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
NO, i actually think you might be one of the VERY FEW players on here.
i feel honored

im heading out... have fun guys
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05-13-2011 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by subs
well... i guess its not real until i withdraw... much the same way money in your bank account or money you have in investments isnt real until you actually have the cash in your hands

also if my account is based on rake/deposits/withdraws then i have lots of rake on stars (not even close to as much any other site)... no deposits besides when they have reload bonuses on stars (maybe 4 or 5 deposits in my 7 years of playing online)... and many many withdraws... wouldnt this make me a prime candidate to get doomswitched? no deposit boomswitch and lots of withdraws?



i feel honored

im heading out... have fun guys
You miss the point you dont have rake on stars they pay you a pre determined bonus ect based on what they stipulated and there parameters so you must reach them(Parameter).Rake will be given regardless on any site that has rake back.This is a case of stars using there software to make more profit and give you the set parameters and variables FPP bonus you just dont see it.
See how your account is manipulated in the most obvious way.
and how much profit they will demand of you to reach these milestones as they call it.
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05-13-2011 , 10:40 PM
And let me add as im done for now as above ^^^^^ this also includes every account it is looked at like a seperate entity and will determine profit and loss for the site like a thousand seperate companys but controlled by one chairman.And this will determine your luck/skill winrate within the variables nothing else.
You must understand how even games on your playstation react not AI but react based on variables to what you are doing to provide you with a more interactive experiance.This is the same idea that is programmed at every poker site but with a different objective/outcome.
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05-14-2011 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
What?

I didn't say they added it right after I voted.

I voted before undecided was an option, which lots of people will confirm was the case for many years. If undecided had been an option, I'd have chosen that.
If you are undecided why did you vote and why did you vote rigged?
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05-14-2011 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ken******
RE you **** serious SUBs get a job do something.... SITE/ SN please.12k for nearly a million hands.How meny hrs tables ect.I can make that and more in 3 months part time 16 hrs a wk as a consultant.
Wow. You really do live in a little fantasy world don't you.
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05-14-2011 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
These forms of gambling aren't comparable to poker though, because they aren't games of skill, like poker is.

It depends which casino games you are referring to, but the majority are games of luck, where there is no way of improving your strategy or play, certainly not to any vast degree.

The sports or racing betting, although involving an element of knowledge or skill, is not a game where you can learn or improve on your strategy, as each new event is completely different and independent to the ones which have gone before.

These forms of gambling don't have any natural learning curve or a whole scope for improvement from where your ability starts off at, like poker has.

So, for example, a player starts off playing poker and physically cannot fold any pocket ace to any sort of raise, no matter how big the raise or how small the kicker with their ace. At some point, whether that be within minutes, hours, or days, the human brain realises and starts to learn that actually A, 2 and A, 3 and A, 4 should often just be folded, then, over time, the player realises more of these aces should be folded. If you become really good, you get to a stage where you learn that even A, Q and A, K get folded preflop in certain situations. So why do some players who have played thousands or tens of thousands of games, not get very far along this learning process and infact stop at some point along this learning process? For example you might have a player who will never fold an A, 10 or above, at any stage of a tournament, to any size of bet. Why has this player's brain stopped learning from mistakes and stopped improving the strategy at such an early point of potential poker development?

To give an example of the level of poker player I'm talking about:

8500 tournaments
Average buy-in £9
Average profit -£3.34

The profit versus games played graph shows these losses being amassed at a very consistent rate.

To lose an average of £3.34 a game, in £9 tournaments takes some doing. To do this consistently for 8500 games, without improvement, is mind-boggling. If you turned up and tried to lose, your stats wouldn't be a lot worse than this, (that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the stats do suggest an appaling lack of understanding of even the most basic poker concepts.)

So what keeps this player returning? This player has a brain, why has the brain not either, A: Learned from mistakes and gradually improved the strategy being used, or B: Realised that the horrific lack of skill and understanding is leading to these losses and that the chances of winning would in fact be better at a game of complete chance such as roulette.

Doing something 8500 times without improving or learning from mistakes? A child of a young age which repeated something a fraction of this number of times without improvement or signs of learning would be given tests to determine a possible mental disability.

I don't understand what is going on with players like this, something doesn't add up.
Again I would ask what difference do you imagine a tiny rig would make to the mentality of someone this bad?

This is the graph of somebody I know (and no, it isn't mine):



Rigtards: Note the absence of a big early upswing that you claim everybody gets, which would presumably be through the roof for this guy.

He has been told by several people to stop making awful plays but apparently continues to do it. He has even read Moshmans book. It seems the thought of people bluffing him and getting away with it is more annoying to him than losing the pocket change he plays for. The excitement of the race and 'catching' people is more enjoyable than actually winning. If thats how he chooses to spend a little money for entertainment then who am I to judge.

This guy is not stupid but to lose at this rate for this long at these stakes is inexplicable. However, these people exist and the presence or absence of any minor rigging in their favour isn't going to change or explain it.

Edit: I haven't put the stakes on but if you can't tell from the graph, they are much less than the guys you quoted

Last edited by Bingo_Boy; 05-14-2011 at 03:44 AM.
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05-14-2011 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Dont hold your breath. Most of the posters on here and shills, employees and affiliates. They spend half their day here trying to convince people who realize the deal is manipulated by using their common sense, that is isnt.
Gamboooool20, FTP

Non-shill, made money thanks to deal being manipulated in my favor.
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05-14-2011 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GCBiloxi
Why Technology is endangering Poker

If you've ever played live you've probably heard stories of cheating, marked cards, luminescent inks, contact lenses etc.

Well what about infared thinfilms & Radio Frequency Technology? There are literally hundreds of ways to cheat poker, most detectable, I recently had the opportunity of playing with a group of people in a $10 $25 $50 game in New Orleans who were using cards with manufactured infared wavelength thinfilms that could be viewed by only the cheaters. They were caught when a player stole cards from the game & had them put under infared.

Over the last few years we've seen major advances in technology, in particular in the field of nanotechnology. Nanotech brings a whole new perspective on how poker can be cheated. What if I told you that playing cards were being manufactured that could change from one card to another like a chameleon card. Before you deem this impossible you can spend about 10 minutes online googling nano optics, color tunable thinfilms etc before you realize the technology is there. There are actually several ways this can be done. What's even more bizarre is some of the most powerful companies in the gambling industry today have patents on playing cards that can do this.

Bally Technology - Articles & Methods to facilitate the delivery of Playing Cards. Patent # 11480345

I'll just post a piece from the patent here:

"In still other embodiments, the playing card media may take the form of existing playing cards, from which the playing card value markings will be erased, prior to being reformed or otherwise generated. In some embodiments, the playing card media may take the form of a fiber based media, for example card stock, vellum, or polymer based media. In some embodiments, the playing card media takes the form of an active media, for example a form of electronic or "e-paper", smart paper, and/or ink code, which allows the formation and erasure of markings via electrical, magnetic, or electromagnetic radiation.

Smart paper is a product developed by Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, of Palo Alto, Calif. The smart paper consists of a flexible polymer containing millions of small balls and electronic circuitry. Each ball has a portion of a first color and a portion of a second color, each portion having an opposite charge from the other portion. Applying a charge causes the balls to rotate within the polymer structure, to display either the first or the second color. Charges can be selectively applied to form different ones or groups of the balls to from the respective markings 154-160 on the playing cards 108. The markings 154-160 remain visible until another charge is applied. Alternatively, the playing card handling system 120c can be adapted to employ color-changing inks such as thermochromatic inks (e.g., liquid crystal, leucodyes) which change color in response to temperature fluctuations, and photochromatic inks that respond to variations in UV light"

A patent that uses a random number generator to deliver physical playing cards, HMMMM

What about this one from Cantor Gaming, A subsidiary of Cantor Fitzgeral:

Mobile Playing Card Devices: 12479968

This one also uses a random number generator to randomize the deck of physical playing cards, .02 inches thick, about the same as a normal playing card.

What about this article :

Precision Polymer Processors Gentex Corp. | Archbald, PA | Company ...Dec 14, 2010 ... a joint-venture company formed by Kem Plastic and Gentex Corp., of Carbondale, Pa. To make casino-grade...

And this patent from Gentex of Carbondale PA: Substrate mounting for Organic Dielectric Optical films. 6951681

Why would a playing card company team up with a company that makes Optical thinfilms of nanosize? Hmmm

Or what about Europes largest cardmaker Cartamundi teaming up with a company called Thin Film technologies, also a nanotech thinfilm Com. HMMM

Heres the headline: Thin Film Electr. : - Cartamundi and Thinfilm have agreed to extend Cartamundi's production and commercialization rights to Thinfilm's memory technology under the Patent and Know-How, License Agreement signed in 2007.

After spending a couple years of my life researching this technology, I finally got to see one of these cards in person, The card was an exact replica of a Casino KEM CARD. You couldn't tell the difference with the naked eye & the card was made of Cellulose Acetate just like casino cards. Cellulose Acetate is a crystallized polymer that can be used to create nanosized thin films & can be used to tune optical films to any color by changing the refractive index, or wavelength of light that it aborbs or reflects back to your eye.

Recent advances in metamaterials & photonic crystals have made it possible to change matter at the molecular level & color tune synthesized objects.

I bring this up only because I've seen these cards & I've been cheated by them. They can change in a nanosecond. I also have reason to believe that they are much more widespread than anyone can imagine because of the place where I discovered them.

Casinos most likely have plans to implement these cards in the future & claim in fine print they are controlled with a RNG when you in fact believe them to be random because of a shuffle, either by hand or shufflemachine. Otherwise why would the largest technology company in gaming have patents on the cards?


Gabe Costner
tl;dr
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05-14-2011 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
tl;dr
actually its a pretty cool read if true. Amazig what can be done!
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05-14-2011 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
If you are undecided why did you vote and why did you vote rigged?

I explained it in a previous post.

I felt that given that there are hundreds or even thousands of poker sites out there, the chances are that one or some of these is 'rigged.'
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05-14-2011 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Again I would ask what difference do you imagine a tiny rig would make to the mentality of someone this bad?

This is the graph of somebody I know (and no, it isn't mine):



Rigtards: Note the absence of a big early upswing that you claim everybody gets, which would presumably be through the roof for this guy.

He has been told by several people to stop making awful plays but apparently continues to do it. He has even read Moshmans book. It seems the thought of people bluffing him and getting away with it is more annoying to him than losing the pocket change he plays for. The excitement of the race and 'catching' people is more enjoyable than actually winning. If thats how he chooses to spend a little money for entertainment then who am I to judge.

This guy is not stupid but to lose at this rate for this long at these stakes is inexplicable. However, these people exist and the presence or absence of any minor rigging in their favour isn't going to change or explain it.

Edit: I haven't put the stakes on but if you can't tell from the graph, they are much less than the guys you quoted


Obviously, it would all depend what you mean by a 'tiny rig' or a 'minor rig.'

The difference it would make is that the players see their bad plays being rewarded more often, make more money (well, lose less money,) and have more reason to continue playing.
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05-14-2011 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
You're full of crap is my point, "I would have put undecided" "Who voted rigged?" "Many many years" "People will vouch for me" You're wiggling around like a snake.

All these lengthy nonsensical posts that are about how you can't understand someone else's play or how "they" do this or that.
I suggest you take a look at yourself; I think you'll find that "they" is a projection of you.


What have I said that you think is 'full of crap?' I'm not 'wiggling around' at all, I'm merely responding to everything you ask.

I make money at online poker. My query is about players who lose money at an alarmingly large rate. I do not fall into that category.


Looking back now, I only actually said one of the 4 things you've quoted. It's all very well having a difference of opinion to someone, but to quote them as saying things they haven't said and using that against them is not a fair way to operate.
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05-14-2011 , 10:23 AM
If you make money at poker then how come after 7 years you still cannot afford the $50 for an essential tool (HEM) for your full time job? You can even get it free if you do some simple kickback promotions as well.

If you find 4 others who will donate $10, I will toss in $10 as well to buy you the software simply because it will be entertaining to see how you maintain this attention whore, martyr, lost in head lights character if you actually had the software to do all of the things you claim to do by hand.

My guess is you would just adapt and ask all sorts of frustrating questions about the software itself and add to your overly complex paranoid beliefs (maybe you can do this routine in the HEM forums), but I am certainly willing to invest $10 to see that routine if you can find 4 others to do the same.

Good choice by the way to post here again, given how well your attempts to post in an actual strategy forum went. You belong here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...nents-1026747/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ottom-1003232/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...rategy-926141/




All the best.
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05-14-2011 , 10:30 AM
Merge Network is rigged for sure. I find the way to handle it. Just open up several account Its great method to avoiding great downswings after upswings.
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05-14-2011 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you make money at poker then how come after 7 years you still cannot afford the $50 for an essential tool (HEM) for your full time job? You can even get it free if you do some simple kickback promotions as well.

If you find 4 others who will donate $10, I will toss in $10 as well to buy you the software simply because it will be entertaining to see how you maintain this attention whore, martyr, lost in head lights character if you actually had the software to do all of the things you claim to do by hand.

My guess is you would just adapt and ask all sorts of frustrating questions about the software itself and add to your overly complex paranoid beliefs, but I am certainly willing to invest $10 to see that routine if you can find 4 others to do the same.

All the best.


Without wanting to get into my personal situation in too much detail, because it's both irrelevant here and private, I'm thousands of pounds in debt, so any time I have an amount of $50 which you've mentioned, (which is around £30,) I have creditors who are due the money, which comes ahead of buying any software in my priorities.

I downloaded a free trial version of HEM ages ago like yourself and several others advised, but I couldn't get it to run on my computer, which also puts me off spending $50 on it as well.

I don't know if you've ever been in a situation before with big, pressing debts, but it's pretty grim, so I would hope you haven't and never do find yourself in that situation. Every penny has to be carefully spent and accounted for and as I'm in that situation at the moment, it simply does not allow me to spend $50 on HEM, ESPECIALLY when I'm not very sure it will even work on my computer.
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05-14-2011 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you make money at poker then how come after 7 years you still cannot afford the $50 for an essential tool (HEM) for your full time job? You can even get it free if you do some simple kickback promotions as well.

If you find 4 others who will donate $10, I will toss in $10 as well to buy you the software simply because it will be entertaining to see how you maintain this attention whore, martyr, lost in head lights character if you actually had the software to do all of the things you claim to do by hand.

My guess is you would just adapt and ask all sorts of frustrating questions about the software itself and add to your overly complex paranoid beliefs (maybe you can do this routine in the HEM forums), but I am certainly willing to invest $10 to see that routine if you can find 4 others to do the same.

Good choice by the way to post here again, given how well your attempts to post in an actual strategy forum went. You belong here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...nents-1026747/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ottom-1003232/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...rategy-926141/




All the best.


I should have added, if you genuinely want to donate $10 towards me buying HEM, then I would be absolutely delighted and very grateful, as I would like to own it and I'm sure it could potentially improve my game over time.

Also, there's no need for the personal grudge, or mocking. My post I make here is about this topic and has no relevance to other posts I make on other threads. Mocking people because their thread got closed? Come on. I don't see the need for that. Added to the responding to my posts telling other people to ignore me, it's way too far, leave the moderating to the moderators and leave the personal grudges out completely. I've not done anything to you.
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05-14-2011 , 10:44 AM
Obvious suggestion if I am taking you seriously (which is impossible) is that you get yourself a couple of real jobs to pay off your debt, since your posting history clearly demonstrates you are not making any real money at poker.

As well, if you did do poker seriously as a job, you would explain to your investors how a 30 pound purchase will be worth a lot more than that investment (which it would), given how much it would improve your game and also eliminate all the time you waste doing a poor equivalent job of tracking results.

I also suggested how I will add my funds to helping you purchase it if you can find 4 others to do the same, because I do put $10 as a fair price for your pride and the entertainment value your character (what percent is fake , weird troll and what percent is genuine desperate degen - who can really say) has been worth it.

As part of that deal you have to find 4 others who are also in on that deal as well first so get to some good begging (I will toss in $5 more if you get Wiki on board).

Lots of paths for you to choose, and no doubt you will post a vague reply which firmly chooses none of them!

All the best.
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05-14-2011 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Obvious suggestion if I am taking you seriously (which is impossible) is that you get yourself a couple of real jobs to pay off your debt, since your posting history clearly demonstrates you are not making any real money at poker.

As well, if you did do poker seriously as a job, you would explain to your investors how a 30 pound purchase will be worth a lot more than that investment (which it would), given how much it would improve your game and also eliminate all the time you waste doing a poor equivalent job of tracking results.

I also suggested how I will add my funds to helping you purchase it if you can find 4 others to do the same, because I do put $10 as a fair price for your pride and the entertainment value your character (what percent is fake , weird troll and what percent is genuine desperate degen - who can really say) has been worth it.

As part of that deal you have to find 4 others who are also in on that deal as well first so get to some good begging (I will toss in $5 more if you get Wiki on board).

Lots of paths for you to choose, and no doubt you will post a vague reply which firmly chooses none of them!

All the best.


As I said before, my situation is both irrelevant and private and I'd imagine also very boring to a lot of people on here, but I do want to be honest with you so I'll explain further.

I'm making a bit of money at poker, but it's not quite enough to live off any more, so I'm also receiving benefits. I am trying to find a job, but unfortunately, as with many, many other people at the moment, I haven't been successful in finding one so far. I'd imagine the fact that my last 4 years have been spent playing poker, rather than doing what many employers would consider a 'real job,' doesn't exactly help with my job search.

I do appreciate your offer, but I won't be resorting to begging people on an internet forum, in order to find the other $40, so it may be in vain, but I'll keep you posted as to any other offers towards this which may come my way. Thanks.
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05-14-2011 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Obviously, it would all depend what you mean by a 'tiny rig' or a 'minor rig.'

The difference it would make is that the players see their bad plays being rewarded more often, make more money (well, lose less money,) and have more reason to continue playing.
You tell me what you're speculating might be happening with regards to the size of the rig. The people as bad as you are describing who love getting their money in with, say, 30% equity would do it if they were getting 25% or 35%. It doesn't matter to them.
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05-14-2011 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
What have I said that you think is 'full of crap?' I'm not 'wiggling around' at all, I'm merely responding to everything you ask.

I make money at online poker. My query is about players who lose money at an alarmingly large rate. I do not fall into that category.


Looking back now, I only actually said one of the 4 things you've quoted. It's all very well having a difference of opinion to someone, but to quote them as saying things they haven't said and using that against them is not a fair way to operate.
I just looked at a couple of your posts (the threads monteroy pointed out)
On one you profess to be a professional poker player who's been playing 3 years.
On another your response to someone who said
Against a table of loose fish play tight and agro. all the rest is variance.

"What do you mean by variance" (your words)

Come on man!
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05-14-2011 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
I just looked at a couple of your posts (the threads monteroy pointed out)
On one you profess to be a professional poker player who's been playing 3 years.
On another your response to someone who said
Against a table of loose fish play tight and agro. all the rest is variance.

"What do you mean by variance" (your words)

Come on man!

Oh dear.

I really am far too trusting of people. I never learn. Maybe that's my problem in life.

I believed what you typed there and was about to respond to it, but I thought that I better check the post in question first. Turns out you're completely misquoting me once again.

What I actually said was, 'What do you mean by 'all the rest is variance?' '

What I was querying was what the person meant by 'all the rest,' I wasn't querying what variance meant.

I'm happy to respond to your queries, but once again, please stop misquoting me as it just leads to more problems and unnecessary arguments, as then we'll get people responding to the misquote and saying, 'he said that, this shows such and such.' Please. If you're going to quote people it needs to be done properly and honestly.
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05-14-2011 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Without wanting to get into my personal situation in too much detail, because it's both irrelevant here and private, I'm thousands of pounds in debt, so any time I have an amount of $50 which you've mentioned, (which is around £30,) I have creditors who are due the money, which comes ahead of buying any software in my priorities.

I downloaded a free trial version of HEM ages ago like yourself and several others advised, but I couldn't get it to run on my computer, which also puts me off spending $50 on it as well.

I don't know if you've ever been in a situation before with big, pressing debts, but it's pretty grim, so I would hope you haven't and never do find yourself in that situation. Every penny has to be carefully spent and accounted for and as I'm in that situation at the moment, it simply does not allow me to spend $50 on HEM, ESPECIALLY when I'm not very sure it will even work on my computer.


Given your mindset you are in no position to be playing poker. Maybe you are so afraid to lose right now it's skewing your thinking?
Poker is still gambling; there's no sure things.
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05-14-2011 , 11:25 AM
Come on fellow shills, donate $10 to the cause, he is worth it. He is a "professional" poker player who has played for 3, 4 or 7 years (depending on the post), who has a maths degree but does not understand how to use a simple database program or understand the term variance, and he is happy to accept donations but will not resort to begging.

Every thread he starts is a complete train wreck, and he is either genuine (in which case - yikes) or one of the better long term trolls on here.

Regardless, he is worth $10 from 5 shills just for the amusement factor.

Let's see some others interested. If we get 5, I will collect it and work out how to get it to him (we can do a transfer on Paddy Poker, an ipoker skin, for instance) and then we can sit back and watch the post-HEM purchase show (assuming one of the goons he owes money to does not smack him around some first).

Consider this an investment in a better quality riggie to help this thread long term.
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05-14-2011 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
As I said before, my situation is both irrelevant and private and I'd imagine also very boring to a lot of people on here, but I do want to be honest with you so I'll explain further.

I'm making a bit of money at poker, but it's not quite enough to live off any more, so I'm also receiving benefits. I am trying to find a job, but unfortunately, as with many, many other people at the moment, I haven't been successful in finding one so far. I'd imagine the fact that my last 4 years have been spent playing poker, rather than doing what many employers would consider a 'real job,' doesn't exactly help with my job search.

I do appreciate your offer, but I won't be resorting to begging people on an internet forum, in order to find the other $40, so it may be in vain, but I'll keep you posted as to any other offers towards this which may come my way. Thanks.
So you didn't have HEM when you were playing pro?
You don't want to beg people on the internet for money but are living off the state after presumably not paying tax for 4 years?
Were you claiming benefits when you were officially out of work but making a living from poker?
If you were genuinely making a career of poker you should be able to provide evidence of your income and a business-like attitude to show that you weren't just a slacker?

I don't really care about any of this because as you say it is none of my business. It is just getting a bit boring covering old ground where you make pathetic excuses for these little glimmers of information you give us that make no sense whatsoever

Edit: Like the fact that you inexplicably have a maths degree, LOL, I forgot about that.
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