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04-30-2011 , 07:53 PM
It's blatantly obvious the defenders of the RNG are site employees or rakeback shills.
Why else would they even care to respond so passionately?

As for the required proof. You submit 500 hands they say NOPE you need 5000 to prove anything. You submit 5000 it's then 50000...

And yes it is a perfectly rational assumption that they would cheat via the deal if they were willing to commit other crimes IE money laundering.
One would think that's common sense. Guess not.
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04-30-2011 , 07:56 PM
No one in this thread has submitted anything resembling proof.
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04-30-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchL
No one in this thread has submitted anything resembling proof.
And you haven't been able to fly to the moon in your car.

Both are impossible.

What's your point, shilltard?
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04-30-2011 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchL
No one in this thread has submitted anything resembling proof.
BTW. I know it might be REALLY hard for you to grasp. But did you ever think of the normal "proof" that is required to prosecute someone has already been presented in this case.

If you idiots held such high standards of proof to criminal cases, prosecutors would have to have video footage of the person shooting the victim in the head to get a guilty verdict.
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04-30-2011 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cocopoco
It's blatantly obvious the defenders of the RNG are site employees or rakeback shills.
What is a rakeback shill?
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04-30-2011 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Someone who is willing to sell drugs is probably willing to break the speeding laws on their way to dropping the drugs off.
Speed is a measurable output of the drug dealer's car. We don't need to see how the car is powered. It could be a gasoline engine, hamsters, or fred flintstone style. One only needs to look at the output to determine if a speed violation has occurred.
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04-30-2011 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Three consecutive hands I witnessed this morning, all puked up by the famous handulator at Randomstars:

PokerStars Game #61363461472: Tournament #418010073, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2011/04/27 7:37:18 WET [2011/04/27 2:37:18 ET]
Table '418010073 65' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LynxMendes (3021 in chips)
Seat 2: Tiewire (4760 in chips)
Seat 3: ShipthemBBs (26346 in chips)
Seat 4: hero (4356 in chips)
Seat 5: Mingr69 (1900 in chips)
Seat 6: L.A. Vale 60 (2712 in chips)
Seat 7: krepkiiperec (3075 in chips)
Seat 8: been_pt (13154 in chips)
Seat 9: emma2342 (1975 in chips)
LynxMendes: posts the ante 25
Tiewire: posts the ante 25
ShipthemBBs: posts the ante 25
hero: posts the ante 25
Mingr69: posts the ante 25
L.A. Vale 60: posts the ante 25
krepkiiperec: posts the ante 25
been_pt: posts the ante 25
emma2342: posts the ante 25
Tiewire: posts small blind 125
ShipthemBBs: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [5h 2h]
hero: folds
Mingr69: folds
L.A. Vale 60: folds
krepkiiperec: folds
been_pt: calls 250
emma2342: folds
LynxMendes: calls 250
Tiewire: folds
ShipthemBBs: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d Ad Kd]
ShipthemBBs: checks
been_pt: checks
LynxMendes: bets 750
ShipthemBBs: calls 750
been_pt: calls 750
*** TURN *** [8d Ad Kd] [Jd]
ShipthemBBs: checks
been_pt: checks
LynxMendes: bets 1996 and is all-in
ShipthemBBs: folds
been_pt: calls 1996
*** RIVER *** [8d Ad Kd Jd] [5c]
LynxMendes said, "wow"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
been_pt: shows [Td Qd] (a Royal Flush)
LynxMendes: shows [Tc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
LynxMendes said, "n1"
been_pt collected 7342 from pot
LynxMendes finished the tournament in 366th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7342 | Rake 0
Board [8d Ad Kd Jd 5c]
Seat 1: LynxMendes (button) showed [Tc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: Tiewire (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ShipthemBBs (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: hero folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mingr69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: L.A. Vale 60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: krepkiiperec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: been_pt showed [Td Qd] and won (7342) with a Royal Flush
Seat 9: emma2342 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


PokerStars Game #61363479609: Tournament #418010073, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2011/04/27 7:38:40 WET [2011/04/27 2:38:40 ET]
Table '418010073 65' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Tiewire (4610 in chips)
Seat 3: ShipthemBBs (25321 in chips)
Seat 4: hero (4331 in chips)
Seat 5: Mingr69 (1875 in chips)
Seat 6: L.A. Vale 60 (2687 in chips)
Seat 7: krepkiiperec (3050 in chips)
Seat 8: been_pt (17475 in chips)
Seat 9: emma2342 (1950 in chips)
Tiewire: posts the ante 25
ShipthemBBs: posts the ante 25
hero: posts the ante 25
Mingr69: posts the ante 25
L.A. Vale 60: posts the ante 25
krepkiiperec: posts the ante 25
been_pt: posts the ante 25
emma2342: posts the ante 25
ShipthemBBs: posts small blind 125
hero: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Qc 8d]
Mingr69: folds
been_pt said, "ty"
L.A. Vale 60: folds
krepkiiperec: folds
been_pt: folds
emma2342: raises 1675 to 1925 and is all-in
Tiewire: folds
ShipthemBBs: calls 1800
hero: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js As Ks]
*** TURN *** [Js As Ks] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Js As Ks 6d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ShipthemBBs: shows [6h Qd] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
emma2342: shows [Kc Ts] (a Royal Flush)
emma2342 collected 4300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4300 | Rake 0
Board [Js As Ks 6d Qs]
Seat 2: Tiewire (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ShipthemBBs (small blind) showed [6h Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 4: hero (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Mingr69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: L.A. Vale 60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: krepkiiperec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: been_pt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: emma2342 showed [Kc Ts] and won (4300) with a Royal Flush


PokerStars Game #61363489263: Tournament #418010073, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2011/04/27 7:39:25 WET [2011/04/27 2:39:25 ET]
Table '418010073 65' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Tiewire (4585 in chips)
Seat 3: ShipthemBBs (23371 in chips)
Seat 4: hero (4056 in chips)
Seat 5: Mingr69 (1850 in chips)
Seat 6: L.A. Vale 60 (2662 in chips)
Seat 7: krepkiiperec (3025 in chips)
Seat 8: been_pt (17450 in chips)
Seat 9: emma2342 (4300 in chips)
Tiewire: posts the ante 25
ShipthemBBs: posts the ante 25
hero: posts the ante 25
Mingr69: posts the ante 25
L.A. Vale 60: posts the ante 25
krepkiiperec: posts the ante 25
been_pt: posts the ante 25
emma2342: posts the ante 25
hero: posts small blind 125
Mingr69: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [4s 8h]
hero said, "yawn"
L.A. Vale 60: folds
krepkiiperec: folds
Tiewire said, "2 in a row wtf"
been_pt: calls 250
emma2342: raises 750 to 1000
Tiewire: folds
FLOWAZZZ is connected
ShipthemBBs: calls 1000
been_pt said, "ya dois seguidos"
hero: folds
Mingr69: folds
been_pt said, "mas este so faltava 1 carta"
been_pt: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 6h 6s]
emma2342: checks
ShipthemBBs: bets 847
emma2342: calls 847
*** TURN *** [Jh 6h 6s] [5d]
emma2342: checks
ShipthemBBs: bets 800
emma2342: calls 800
*** RIVER *** [Jh 6h 6s 5d] [2h]
emma2342: bets 1628 and is all-in
ShipthemBBs: calls 1628
*** SHOW DOWN ***
emma2342: shows [Jd Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Sixes)
ShipthemBBs: shows [2c Ts] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
emma2342 collected 9375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9375 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 6h 6s 5d 2h]
Seat 2: Tiewire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ShipthemBBs (button) showed [2c Ts] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Deuces
Seat 4: hero (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Mingr69 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: L.A. Vale 60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: krepkiiperec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: been_pt folded before Flop
Seat 9: emma2342 showed [Jd Js] and won (9375) with a full house, Jacks full of Sixes


After two royal flushes in a row, it seems almost trivial that someone should flop a full house.

Random?

LOL
Thoroughly enjoyable. Wish I'd witnessed that but I rarely play online. Of course if it had been five royal flushes in a row followed by five full houses it would have been even more evidence to prove it isn't rigged.
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04-30-2011 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cocopoco
And yes it is a perfectly rational assumption that they would cheat via the deal if they were willing to commit other crimes IE money laundering.
One would think that's common sense. Guess not.
So anyone who ever has done anything illegal must also be a thief? I speed doing 72 in a 60, am I also a thief.. What about if I decide to smoke some pot, drink or gamble at age 20, ect.. Does that make me a thief? I would say that 95% of people have committed a come crime by age 21.. But hey, enjoy being prefect..

My only thing is why would the sites even do this. Before you say to make money LDO, I can think of so many good ways to make money if you don't care about breaking the law.. Why not just start selling cocaine, get into sex trafficking, or build an army and invade some country with oil. I know sounds silly, but remember they were ACCUSED of money laundering once, so they are much more likely to be doing these things. Why stop and saying they are stealing, Full tilt killed my father while pokerstars raped my mother.. AP just wanted my wallet and got the **** out of there.

Last edited by syncmaster; 04-30-2011 at 10:57 PM.
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04-30-2011 , 11:25 PM
don't bother sync, logic doesn't work with these people
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05-01-2011 , 03:02 AM
Almost unbelievably, the quality of this thread has been diminishing even further of late.
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05-01-2011 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by syncmaster
So anyone who ever has done anything illegal must also be a thief? I speed doing 72 in a 60, am I also a thief.. What about if I decide to smoke some pot, drink or gamble at age 20, ect.. Does that make me a thief? I would say that 95% of people have committed a come crime by age 21.. But hey, enjoy being prefect..

My only thing is why would the sites even do this. Before you say to make money LDO, I can think of so many good ways to make money if you don't care about breaking the law.. Why not just start selling cocaine, get into sex trafficking, or build an army and invade some country with oil. I know sounds silly, but remember they were ACCUSED of money laundering once, so they are much more likely to be doing these things. Why stop and saying they are stealing, Full tilt killed my father while pokerstars raped my mother.. AP just wanted my wallet and got the **** out of there.
This is incredibly imbecilic.
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05-01-2011 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
This is incredibly imbecilic.
Its not 1/1000th as imbecilic as the ridiculous assertion to which he was responding.

Last edited by 5thStreetHog; 05-01-2011 at 04:11 AM.
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05-01-2011 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cocopoco
And yes it is a perfectly rational assumption that they would cheat via the deal if they were willing to commit other crimes IE money laundering. One would think that's common sense. Guess not.
Quit posting. Every post you make is at least 50% ******ed. Gee, what a shock you suck at online poker. I guess if you have to wipe the drool off of the keyboard after every hand its harder to multitable.
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05-01-2011 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
This is incredibly imbecilic.
Why is it that shills almost never address an argument with logic but just throw out inanities like the above.

Explain why you think it imbecilic, lest you be thought a witless fool.
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05-01-2011 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Quit posting. Every post you make is at least 50% ******ed.
Cocopoco would need to post quite a bit of good sense to raise his game to 50% ******ed, overall.

Not sure that is within the parameters of his intellectual ability.
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05-01-2011 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CigarMike
all things being equal, greed wil trump fair and honest everytime.
That's the way the scumbag mind works. It's not the way honest people think.
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05-01-2011 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Its not 1/1000th as imbecilic as the ridiculous assertion to which he was responding.
You mean the assertion that any organisation willing to employ underhandedness in their finances could possibly use a variety of shady means to make money?

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Originally Posted by Wiki
Explain why you think it imbecilic, lest you be thought a witless fool.
The first part of his post is a tired logical fallacy along the lines of 'all crows are black, therefore all black things are crows.

The second part sounds like the outline to a script for a b movie starring some really bad actors. No one would buy it.
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05-01-2011 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
That's the way the scumbag mind works. It's not the way honest people think.
So true.
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05-01-2011 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
You mean the assertion that any organisation willing to employ underhandedness in their finances could possibly use a variety of shady means to make money?
Except that locococo said they 'would' rather than they 'could'. Which makes syncmaster's observation perfectly reasonable.

Quote:
The first part of his post is a tired logical fallacy along the lines of 'all crows are black, therefore all black things are crows.
LOL, exactly! He was showing the propositional fallacy of affirming the consequent by example.

Quote:
The second part sounds like the outline to a script for a b movie starring some really bad actors. No one would buy it.
Again, he's using the absurdity of the original suggestion to create an intendedly absurd parody.
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05-01-2011 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MilkFi5h
I would think the complete opposite would be true. They don't want to get pulled over with a load of drugs on them.
You would think that because you aren't completely braindead like the rigtards.

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Originally Posted by cocopoco
And you haven't been able to fly to the moon in your car.

Both are impossible.

What's your point, shilltard?
If he had claimed he could fly his car to the moon you would expect some evidence before you believed him. It is not impossible to prove a rigged deal and it certainly isn't impossible for you to provide data that illustrates the events that have turned you into a paranoid 'tard.

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Originally Posted by cocopoco
BTW. I know it might be REALLY hard for you to grasp. But did you ever think of the normal "proof" that is required to prosecute someone has already been presented in this case.

If you idiots held such high standards of proof to criminal cases, prosecutors would have to have video footage of the person shooting the victim in the head to get a guilty verdict.
Reading compreshension fail or just changing the subject?

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Originally Posted by raymears
You mean the assertion that any organisation willing to employ underhandedness in their finances could possibly use a variety of shady means to make money?



The first part of his post is a tired logical fallacy along the lines of 'all crows are black, therefore all black things are crows.
You mean a bit like all (alleged) money launderers are (alleged) criminals therefore all (alleged) money launderers are probably guilty of any other crimes you see fit to accuse them of however ridiculous the accusation is?
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05-01-2011 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Except that locococo said they 'would' rather than they 'could'. Which makes syncmaster's observation perfectly reasonable.
A 'perfectly rational assumption that they would', is not a concrete statement that they would, rather a suggestion that they could...

... and this:

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LOL, exactly! He was showing the propositional fallacy of affirming the consequent by example.
Is true of every logical fallacy presented by 'non-riggies' since the following:

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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I think the point being made Josem was that a site who are willing to break one law are likely to be willing to break other laws as well.
... which is a perfectly reasonable statement. (Note the use of the word 'likely').
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05-01-2011 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by syncmaster
So anyone who ever has done anything illegal must also be a thief? I speed doing 72 in a 60, am I also a thief.. What about if I decide to smoke some pot, drink or gamble at age 20, ect.. Does that make me a thief? I would say that 95% of people have committed a come crime by age 21.. But hey, enjoy being prefect..

My only thing is why would the sites even do this. Before you say to make money LDO, I can think of so many good ways to make money if you don't care about breaking the law.. Why not just start selling cocaine, get into sex trafficking, or build an army and invade some country with oil. I know sounds silly, but remember they were ACCUSED of money laundering once, so they are much more likely to be doing these things. Why stop and saying they are stealing, Full tilt killed my father while pokerstars raped my mother.. AP just wanted my wallet and got the **** out of there.
Fail.
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05-01-2011 , 05:41 AM
Look at all the shills gangbanging me.. Lol!
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05-01-2011 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Reading compreshension fail
ITT
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05-01-2011 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by syncmaster
So anyone who ever has done anything illegal must also be a thief? I speed doing 72 in a 60, am I also a thief.. What about if I decide to smoke some pot, drink or gamble at age 20, ect.. Does that make me a thief? I would say that 95% of people have committed a come crime by age 21.. But hey, enjoy being prefect..

My only thing is why would the sites even do this. Before you say to make money LDO, I can think of so many good ways to make money if you don't care about breaking the law.. Why not just start selling cocaine, get into sex trafficking, or build an army and invade some country with oil. I know sounds silly, but remember they were ACCUSED of money laundering once, so they are much more likely to be doing these things. Why stop and saying they are stealing, Full tilt killed my father while pokerstars raped my mother.. AP just wanted my wallet and got the **** out of there.
Right because speeding is in the same category as money laundering and racketeering.

LMAO
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