So PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute Poker are guilty of illegal gambling and money laundering, according to the US government and the FBI.

But they wouldn't dream of rigging poker games, according to the shameless shills in this thread.

Which stones are these guys going to crawl under now?

Don't forget to make a huge apology to all the honest people at 2 + 2 before you go.

It didn't take a genius to know the system in place couldn't last forever after UIGEA went through, and he's said the hammer was coming down "soon" for the past 2+ years.

A big +1 for you!

This. It's been a cat and mouse game between misguided US authorities/lawmakers and poker sites for years. Nothing has changed. The games are still as legitimate today as they were yesterday, and the only good thing that comes out of this in the short term for most of the rigged morons is that they'll probably have a chance to save their money for a while, and will probably blow it on other forms of gambling instead. Just keep playing the lottery and the horses, since our government seems to have no issue with raping the general public with those types of things. No hypocrisy there at all.

Unfortunately our country is trying to go back to prohibition, which will never be sustainable. I'm sure once they figure out how to make the most money out of it, online poker will be back in action and all the rigged clowns will continue their losing and whining. The US regulators will likely be less competent than what we have right now, but it still has to get done that way at some point instead of the current model based simply on right wing nutjobs screaming "click of a mouse, lose your house".

I believe that the shutdown of PokerStars, et.al. in the United States is potentially and ultimately a tremendously great development for U.S. online players. I believe that the current situation could lead to much quicker congressional approval of a legalized, regulated, and taxed online poker industry within the jurisdiction of the United States government. It would actually be very, very good for the game if gamers could truly believe that that bad beat they just suffered at the hands of a two outer at the river was really just a very lucky suck out by a delusional donkey who will ultimately only serve to feed his bigger stack to much worthier warriors of the holy game.
As long as the online game is run out of Gibraltar, or Costa Rica, or wherever the hell else it is run out of, people will continue to doubt the randomness of the deal.....and probably with good cause.
Godspeed the legalization and regulation of the industry. May it be run out of corporate Las Vegas as soon as humanly possible.

liberal much?

Not even close, but that's the reality of what started this, and how the UIGEA was passed. Do some damn research and stop muppeting up the forums.

I just love the attitude idiots present that everything has to be black or white, when the reality is most of us are in the middle. Anybody completely polarized on politics towards one party or the other is just adding to the problem.

Wow. Could you be any more of a typical American Dbag child? This coming from a fellow American... Please stop talking, you are making us all look bad.

People who think its rigged are borderline delusional and incapable and rational thought. It doesn't matter if its a shuffle machine in Vegas, a internet site run by their own government, it just doesn't matter.

Honestly is anyone who posts this old enough to enter a casino.. This stuff happens every second of every day in every random casino around America. Just talk to a blackjack dealer or hang around some machines for a few minutes.. If you don't hear people talking about how its rigged, use some Q tips to clean the **** out of your ears and try again.

I've shown this thread to a BJ dealer in a USA regulated casino. They hear the same garbage everyday. They even pointed out this youtube clip. They found it by typing in "everyday at work", and its the FIRST RESULT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ykrTe0N_Sw

I think that your racism is offensive and inappropriate.

The Shills morals are all ****ed up.
Bank fraud wire fraud money laundering
shell companies bribes tax evasion.Greed is king and are these the people you want running your games,this mass fraud of unregulated poker is now comming down.
They are crimminals but i supose if they rape your mum and steal your wallet along the way thats ok too.
I bet the plane has already landed in Israil.
NFeugo20 you are so full a **** man.

Fwiw this thread has mostly been about rigging the RNG.. not all that other BS.

Learn to spell, you ignorant buffoon.

It's no surprise that your IQ is so transparent in a post like this.

Our government can make up whatever laws they want to try to govern the rest of the world. The only people they're hurting are their own citizens. I'm sorry you suck at poker. But don't allow that reality to start accusing people of crimes that don't exist. Nobody is raping anybody or stealing anything.

HAHAHAHAH your such a **** deluded loser.....Wait fake graph HAHAHAHHA
crimes that dont exist HAHAHHAHA inspector clouseau ITT.
: laugh:

I know you are, but what am I?

(pwned)

Out of a job shill

But my graphs were all made up, so what are you talking about?

Congrats on the short term savings.

You are engaging with a ****** NFuego. Are you really that bored [today]?

Sometimes it's relaxing to have such low level conversations lol. Like childhood all over again.

I understand. Stooping that low can be good for your back (gives it a good stretch ).

I think a more appropriate statement would be that if Pokerstars executives and employees are willing to completely disregard United States law, what else are they willing to disregard in their business practice and philosophy? It is hard to really draw any kind of distinction knowing what we now know. We deposited our money and trusted that your site had a work around that would not put everyone involved into this situation, so you can expect a lot of angry people. To be fair, I can also say that we all understood the risk. Maybe we should have just used Western Union...nh, gg, gl...

If anything, these recent events are the FBI's fault. Stars and FT would love to keep you paying/playing.

Yes and don't forget the man who was saying this all along and said his goodbyes to us all today.

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612

Magic we truly wish you all the best and great success with your new ventures I found you very interesting, true and straightforward watching you through the years with integrity, openness, and accountability for every word you have spoken about this day(PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker Shut Down) I would thank you from the bottom of my heart, but for you my heart has no bottom Farewell our good friend.

Magic whatever never said anything like this.

He was some idiot who kept saying they rigged the deal and made videos of some bad beats and some non-bad beats that he called bad beats. That has nothing to do with anything. What happened today has nothing to do with rigging.



And now the "issue", that breeded the stupidity of this thread, doesn't matter anymore.

We are just clear about the fact that criminal activity was not out of the question. These sites thought they were above the law. So where did they draw the line? Why did they think that what they were doing was legal or ethical? What else is going on that we were not clear about?

There is more doubt than ever before with this new information to work with...

Seriously?

What about UIGEA did you not understand? This is a fairly simple case of our country trying to force legislation on other parts of the world who don't subscribe to our laws. The internet creates all kinds of jurisdictional issues that didn't exist in the past. Naturally the DOJ was going after all payment processors facilitating the moving money to and from the sites, and the sites had a choice to either pull out or work around that. Regardless of some of the specifics, it was hardly a big secret that there's been a cat and mouse game going on for a long time. And it will continue.

Of course the USA is saying they broke the law. In their eyes they did. The WTO says the USA violated trade agreements by passing UIGEA, so the very laws being used to prosecute poker sites are illegal in their eyes. At a minimum, it's an incredibly complicated situation. But as usual, everybody wants to look at it as black and white, one side or the other. Try and have some appreciation for the complexity of the situation. If you didn't realize all this stuff was going on going in, and that these kinds of risks were out there the whole time, and that poker sites have been struggling to pay their customers for years due to DOJ efforts, you've been living under a rock.