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Old 05-07-2009, 02:41 PM   #3126
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The RLG (Random Life Generator) is rigged at conception. Obv, famous movie stars and extremely wealthy people are superusers as well.
RLG .. lol thats the most pathetic rigtard theory i ever heard
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:43 PM   #3127
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Mark, you are authority now! Does this mean we can be friends now ?!
I thought we already were. Was I wrong all along?
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Your not going to ban me are you?
not unless you are into ripping people off. since you seem more concerned with innocents BEING ripped off, I doubt that's gonna happen.

but I kinda resent Sooper implying I might ban rigtards and/or delete their posts. I think I've always been pretty decent to him. maybe he was kidding and I just didn't get it; you know me - no sense of humor!

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Old 05-07-2009, 02:45 PM   #3128
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The RLG (Random Life Generator) is rigged at conception. Obv, famous movie stars and extremely wealthy people are superusers as well.
there is a way to combat that rigging...

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Old 05-07-2009, 03:48 PM   #3129
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LOL, no it won't.
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:18 PM   #3130
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Actually, wasn't that exactly what happened with Planet Poker? Basically all the cheaters had to do was synchronize their clocks with the server clocks and voila.
No.
As far as I know the only "cheaters" that exploited the flaw at Planet Poker were the security labs at Cigital (formerly RST) who discovered it and immediately reported it to the world and the software maker. It happened in a high tech software security lab and not out in the wild, and it was 10 years ago in the very primitive days of online poker software, and the RNGs were fixed everywhere within a very short time.
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:17 PM   #3131
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I just wanted to say with the new bill that Rep. B. Frank is pushing through Congress will put an end to all rigtard theories and outbursts.
So if it passes and you continue to lose, what will the excuse be?
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Old 05-07-2009, 06:52 PM   #3132
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FYI, if I delete a post, mods see a note saying "post deleted by Markusgc" and they can still look at it, so I won't be deleting stuff thinking no one will ever know.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:13 PM   #3133
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I too have a conspiracy theory about Pstars...
I am a "professional" player and I've been playing on stars all year, always winning, never had more than a week or so break even stretch, then suddenly, something really weird starts happening::
I win 4k+ in like 12 hrs 20ish tabling the $100 double or nothing S&G's over 4 days. Wayyy above expectation. Ok, luck happens, but then---

For the past 6 days, i haven't even been able to have a winning HOUR on stars, much less a winning session. I even moved down to see if i could win- nope. See, when I run bad, I just refuse to play at high stakes till they "let" me win again, that way I don't tilt huge amounts of $ away. But they aren't letting me win yet. I tried the $6 sit and go's. PLyed like 50 just to see if i could win- nope. then the $5 and $10 double or nothings- nope. Then 25 50 cent nL, down to 5cent 10 cent..-- got CRUSHEd at all levels. I get my $ in usually good and don't win etc. etc. Literally I haven't been able to win at any game on any stakes for 5 days, playing huge fish at low limits,+like 3k I dropped at my regular stakes. Probably a total of like 40-50 hrs playing 1k hands/hr. I mean it has to be a big joke right cause I've been beating 100NL+and mid stakes s&G for 2+years playing almost every day...
So, here's my conspiracy theory for all the tin foil hat ppl and to support op:

A) all my crazy beats and losing happened right around B.Frank introducing the new US online gambling legislation- maybe stars is thinking screw the US players, we might get shut out anyway if this thing passes
B)Stars is thinking screw USA players when they do crap like that UK promo- basically giving away Supernova-- I mean i have to play a lot to get my SNova status
C) I did something I said i would never do-start playing on FULL tilt again, and yesterday and today, i have running totally normal- fish get their $ in bad, & i win.

--now i am not superstitious, and I ran the numbers, and it is entirely possible to me have the bad run i did, especially for as much as I play-- but you really have to wonder sometimes. Does stars hate USA players now?
Some guy posted this in BBV. When I read it I thought of this thread.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:28 PM   #3134
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Some guy posted this in BBV. When I read it I thought of this thread.
Hmm, five days of peace and quiet and then supperdish finds someone who actually admits his down spell is perfectly possible but still decides to come up with a conspiracy theory.

And it's a ******ed theory because legislation doesn't happen overnight.

Why would a site piss off a vast chunk of its players when even in the unlikely event that the legislation passes it will take ages before it becomes law? If you want to believe such a hare brained theory you'd have to believe that they would start screwing the targetted players around a month before the legislation took effect.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:30 PM   #3135
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Victim of the full moon doomswitch imo. That's why he's fine again now.

http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon/
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:54 PM   #3136
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Hmm, five days of peace and quiet and then supperdish finds someone who actually admits his down spell is perfectly possible but still decides to come up with a conspiracy theory.

And it's a ******ed theory because legislation doesn't happen overnight.

Why would a site piss off a vast chunk of its players when even in the unlikely event that the legislation passes it will take ages before it becomes law? If you want to believe such a hare brained theory you'd have to believe that they would start screwing the targetted players around a month before the legislation took effect.
I was less concerned by his legislation theory than by the fact that an elite SNG player is one day beating 100$ SNGs and the next he cant beat the .50c SNGs. Also he s playing the easiest form of SNG, the double or nothing.

Doesnt that seem strange to you qpw?
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:56 PM   #3137
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Victim of the full moon doomswitch imo. That's why he's fine again now.

http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon/
More likely just a regular doomswitch IMO.
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:02 PM   #3138
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full tilt is rigged :X
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:08 PM   #3139
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The article i will dig out from inside poker this refers to the STTs and the players bad down swing the second relates to a person who would not like me even posting this so if provide HH there will be deletion
of certain info as but as i said this is not a fairy tale.
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you get this scanned yet?
take that as a "no" then.
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Old 05-12-2009, 02:38 PM   #3140
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I was less concerned by his legislation theory than by the fact that an elite SNG player is one day beating 100$ SNGs and the next he cant beat the .50c SNGs. Also he s playing the easiest form of SNG, the double or nothing.

Doesnt that seem strange to you qpw?
Not in the least.

Downswings happen. If you have AA and someone beats you with a pair of 2's it really makes not one iota of difference what stakes you happen to be playing.

The problem is that you have such a pathetic understanding of probability maths and its implications that things that are perfectly natural seem strange to you.
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:35 PM   #3141
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Not in the least.

Downswings happen. If you have AA and someone beats you with a pair of 2's it really makes not one iota of difference what stakes you happen to be playing.

The problem is that you have such a pathetic understanding of probability maths and its implications that things that are perfectly natural seem strange to you.
Of course downswings happen but a guy who beats 100$ SNGs one day cant beat .50c SNGs the next?

Are you trying to suggest the skill level required for 100$ SNGs is the same as .50c SNGs?

Its such an obvious doomswitch by stars.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:01 PM   #3142
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You have days where you begin to think it's rigged, i lost $600 in 3 hands in the space of an hour with pocket AA, last week, each time some one went all in pre flop with smaller pairs and hit trips. However in the long run you will always beat the people who go all in with 10 10 JJ etc if your holding aces and over the course of the month i did and ended up over $1500. But those bad days do hurt.
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Old 05-12-2009, 06:11 PM   #3143
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QPW and SPADE, what are you guys going to do for a job when they regulate online poker? There will be no more need for shills that are not only bad for 2+2 but online poker will be better off with out you as a whole. You do nothing but troll these threads and take it so personal that it drew horrible speculation. I'm not allowed to speak on the record about anything of this nature, since somebody was emailing .gov websites about me and my affiliations.....at any rate, you never publicly admitted why you guys campaign so hard for online poker not being rigged. It's really a waste of your time now, whatever possible agenda you had, has failed. There's a reason why "important" people don't come out and say "we think online poker is rigged so we need to regulate and monitor so we can make sure it ends...." But you do see it in the fine print in round about ways. You can't prove it's real and you can't prove it's fake. It's about the possibility vs the probability. You go and make a thread called "online poker is not rigged" like some sort of vote on 2+2 is going to dictate the decision on that? That was pathetic....
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Old 05-12-2009, 06:35 PM   #3144
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tk, who do you propose would be paying them for this? Is there some Internet Poker cabal that pools money from all the sites and pays them? Do you have some actual proof for your ridiculous accusations?
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:30 PM   #3145
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tk is obviously a shill for RealDealPoker.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:34 PM   #3146
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QPW and SPADE, what are you guys going to do for a job when they regulate online poker? There will be no more need for shills that are not only bad for 2+2 but online poker will be better off with out you as a whole.
I hope it does get regulated, just so I can see you posting in these threads saying "It can't be rigged, it's regulated now!!!"
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I'm not allowed to speak on the record about anything of this nature, since somebody was emailing .gov websites about me and my affiliations.....at any rate, you never publicly admitted why you guys campaign so hard for online poker not being rigged.
It's been said quite a few times: Because letting bad players believe that it's rigged drives them away from sites, making games tougher.
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There's a reason why "important" people don't come out and say "we think online poker is rigged so we need to regulate and monitor so we can make sure it ends...." But you do see it in the fine print in round about ways.
Wat. If anybody in Congress thought online poker was rigged, they'd have brought it up. The reason no one "important" says that is because they aren't tinfoil hat wearing nutballs.
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You can't prove it's real and you can't prove it's fake. It's about the possibility vs the probability.
Again, wat?
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You go and make a thread called "online poker is not rigged" like some sort of vote on 2+2 is going to dictate the decision on that? That was pathetic....
I know, what dumbasses, using "proof" and "math" for their reasoning, instead of gut instincts and spooky-talk.
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I'm working on perfecting the all-in equity analysis (for starters) since I think I'm not the only one interested in it. I do it because it is fun and interesting, and if it showed me that there was something fishy with the deal then I'd work on drilling down in those results wherever it took me. Finding what I expect to find, which is a fair deal, gives me confidence too.

Once I get the equity analysis fixed we can do things like segment it by site, by stakes, or by player record. And Indiana is working on growing the size of his database to multi-billions, which will make it virtually impossible for any funny business to hide. If there are sites manipulating the deal, I bet they are paying attention to these recent threads. Finally there's a number of serious researchers (not me) working with enormous hand history databases, and that just hasn't been possible before.
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:06 PM   #3148
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If anybody in Congress thought online poker was rigged, they'd have brought it up. The reason no one "important" says that is because they aren't tinfoil hat wearing nutballs.
Debatable about some reps.
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:15 PM   #3149
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Of course downswings happen but a guy who beats 100$ SNGs one day cant beat .50c SNGs the next?

Are you trying to suggest the skill level required for 100$ SNGs is the same as .50c SNGs?

Its such an obvious doomswitch by stars.
Why? I mean why would Stars bother to doomswitch this guy at 50 cent sit and gos?

Seems the rigged beliefs are getting even stranger and stranger, though it is sort of interesting to see that pretty much any random theory is accepted by some on the face value without any proof or evidence. Makes one understand why simple fraud has so much potential in this world, some will literally believe anything.

Will be amusing when spade's work gets even more detailed to see the new and exciting quirky rigged theories that will adapt to the reality of those pesky facts and actual data.

More and more magical and mystical beliefs will be required, but some here are deinitely up for that challenge


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QPW and SPADE, what are you guys going to do for a job when they regulate online poker? There will be no more need for shills that are not only bad for 2+2 but online poker will be better off with out you as a whole. You do nothing but troll these threads and take it so personal that it drew horrible speculation. I'm not allowed to speak on the record about anything of this nature, since somebody was emailing .gov websites about me and my affiliations.....at any rate, you never publicly admitted why you guys campaign so hard for online poker not being rigged. It's really a waste of your time now, whatever possible agenda you had, has failed. There's a reason why "important" people don't come out and say "we think online poker is rigged so we need to regulate and monitor so we can make sure it ends...." But you do see it in the fine print in round about ways. You can't prove it's real and you can't prove it's fake. It's about the possibility vs the probability. You go and make a thread called "online poker is not rigged" like some sort of vote on 2+2 is going to dictate the decision on that? That was pathetic....
Imagine a guy on a crate on a street corner wearing text filled billboards on his body saying this all in one or two breaths. Pretty smooth fit.

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Old 05-13-2009, 12:19 AM   #3150
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Monteroy I have a question for you.

Say you run a test on a site in various categories and majority of them fail. You have powerful data and you can be almost certain your outcomes havent been in the range of expectation.

Do you quit poker? or continue playing in the hopes of...? If thats your answer what hopes are you looking for? or would you just keep playing and say its bad luck. Even though your hard own data tells you otherwise?
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