(obv the above formula applies to NLHE only)

Honestly think through it before you post crap like this. Blind structure drives this, not fancy programming. This is just lazy and mental shortcuts like this offer a glimpse into why you can't deal with the online game.

If they existed, and they 'told', they would be branded as conspiracy theorists and 'rigtards'.

As I said, you should not be playing online poker for anything other than a very casual hobby. Your whole approach and attitude toward the game is flawed as you are not a casual player having fun, nor a serious player playing a focused game for money. Instead you waste your time playing online in your mind when you should be out "helping the world" in some other way (which of course are your specific value judgments).

You simply are not cut out to play online poker seriously, and again I stress that there is nothing wrong with realizing this as you have at this point. If you need to help rationalize it a bit with the rigged stuff that's fine if it makes you feel better, but at the core you simply cannot compete at online poker.



I am crushing online poker. I just happen to be doing it in a way that has a much smaller amount of actual play as the equation (although I did manage to finally final table both an Omaha and Omaha hi/lo MTT yesterday which was fun).

What I have done is what everyone who wants to be involved in the online poker business should do - I created a plan and carried it out. For some that can involve setting volume/buy in goals, and for others that can involve creating and growing a healthy, professionally run business within the industry.

The problem is your plan was as you said "I have played online poker in the past to save myself a trip to the casino" and that is only a plan to waste time and nothing more. To your credit you realize that that was a plan to nowhere and you let it go, which was completely the right choice for you to make.


Indeed, send me a PM and if we are there at the same time we can meet up. A bunch of us are going to play in a couple events, and I do have a 100% cash in WSOP event streak to maintain...


Lot's of people "tell" usually by saying they know some mystery friend who claims to have secret information. These people are standard conspiracy nuts who make stuff up, just like the guys who whine they lose AA 80% lifetime from memory and have yet to even post a single hand history

We have yet to get a shred of evidence or even an actual name of a person who can show they ever worked for a poker site that makes these claims with supporting documentation (and several thousand of people have worked for all the sites over the years).

Bring us a person who can prove they worked at a site, any site, and have him or her show the specific work that was done to the deal (which once explained would be very, very easy to prove after) and nobody will be calling that person a conspiracy nut.

Anyway, you know this as you are not dumb like many of the genuine riggies.

All the best.

I disagree with your beliefs, lets go to war.

I can't wait until Harrah's opens its doors online.. Sure they are 10+ years behind in the market, but they are American so it evens out. Rake will be the lowest its ever been, the security will catch cheaters before they even play a hand, and support will answer before you even ask the question.


Really though.. I'm hoping your reply was a level to my obvious sarcastic post. I find it funny that people think where its regulated will change their views on it being rigged or not. The only difference is now they will be accusing Americans of theft..

Next time find the slot/video poker players and ask them the same questions about the machines they are playing on. Watch in disbelief as they continue to play the machine while talking about how its rigged.

LoL I was Sarcastic too ;p

This!
My Gov. start their own online poker room and you know what, i'm still hearing "this site is rigged".

The more it changes, the more it's the same thing

It must be fun to play with you at the tables.

Perhaps you could all get together and confirm what that something is? Or instead you could all excuse each others inability to win online as much as you would like.

and we are not seeing what you are not appreciating because you won't prove what you're saying.

You didnt take your own advice, but by doing so it must have confirmed what you already knew. This whole site is top heavy with site shills. Just let them lie to themselves about how these sites arent rigged. 100% percent chance they already know.

Wrong.

Right.

welcome back

I just finished 4th in a WSOP Circuit event a few weeks ago. I satellited in to it cheaply and played well all the way through the tournament only being all in twice until I Donko'd it off at the end. I should have won this one, but it looks like my 2+2 screen name and rigtard disposition is wearing off on me live. Anyway, I have some money to work with and will be there June 3-8 for my first trip with plans to play the $1000 buy in and maybe the $1500 6 handed tournament depending upon how things go. I think the Venetian is going to have something going on also. Might play there if they have some one day events.

I uninstalled FT after one too many of these beats...

This was rebuy period so I limped in with JJ to see what kind of trouble I could get into because several of the other players were just pushing with anything. I flopped a set on a dry board and checked to see who was going to bet or push. See the rest for yourself. This is just standard no matter how I play a hand. Two hands earlier someone went runner runner for a straight after we were all in after the flop.

Full Tilt Poker $10,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 8 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG+1: t9250 231.25 BBs
MP1: t15260 381.50 BBs
MP2: t4525 113.12 BBs
CO: t2850 71.25 BBs
BTN: t1580 39.50 BBs
SB: t2765 69.12 BBs
BB: t4270 106.75 BBs
Hero (UTG): t1500 37.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero calls t40, 2 folds, MP2 calls t40, CO calls t40, BTN calls t40, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (t220) J 5 8 (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t120, BTN calls t120, BB folds, Hero raises to t1460 all in, MP2 calls t1460, CO folds, BTN folds

Turn: (t3380) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3380) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

And come here to hand industry people what I have found? That makes no sense. I have what I need to make my own independent decision about what is going on. Everyone else needs to look at their own hand histories and make their own decision based upon what they have been experiencing. Coming here is not going to do anything.

This thread is fun to read and participate in though. That is one benefit.

Yes because I have been told that I am charming, have a sense of humor and am smart.

No because I leave the tables with more money than I buy in for more times than I don't.

Actually, I agree with you here. Indian Casinos appear to be regulated like Las Vegas Casinos, so you are taking more of a chance.

Donko = wiki? Look at that rapid-fire instead of multi-quoting style.

Real hard core grinders analyze their hands and their opponents hands all the times with depth that you cannot even understand (again, not meant as an insult, you are just not playing for the same reason they are playing).

Casual players generally do not even save their hand histories and looking at them is not important to their goals for online poker.

You posted a single hand history (which in rebuys the easiest thing to do with hands like JJ is open shove and enjoy what calls you than your weird fancy play that will only generate a lot of post flop action with magical flops), but I am not quite sure what your point is other than you lost the hand. Is it rigged against you? Is it rigged for the other player? What is your belief based on that hand, and if the turn and river went blank/blank would you even mention that hand? You just whining about a bad beat in a 2 buck rebuy that cost you a big mac?


Stick with live poker, though honestly I am not quite sure I share your belief that you will crush that long term and when you do run into a bad run of variance live and the paranoia creeps in that will be a good time for you to really evaluate your poker goals (which are still quite unclear).

Looks like we are missing each other for the WSOP so good luck in whatever you play there as well.

I am playing casually, but I don't like to lose and continue to work on my game. I am netting better results live, but my results online have been going backwards for two years. Poker is poker. If you spend an hour setting a couple of players up to get them all in and they finally get their entire stack in way behind, I expect to win most of those. This is not happening. Quite the opposite according to my recollection and my hand histories. I am beyond running bad.

I have not uninstalled Pokerstars yet because I have a home game group there and I like Josem, the customer service team and the site. I am going to play on Stars casually for a small amount of money to keep tracking more hand histories and to see if things turn around. If I am improving as a player and continuing to see even better results live in the next couple of years, and don't see the same online at Stars, it will be time to send Stars to the recycle bin also.

Again, I am not trying to insult you, quite the opposite. You are a smart guy with a way to beat online poker for reasonable amount of money. That is something to be proud of. You put yourself out there without any reservation and I respect that.

That was a three dollar rebuy. That will get me a BK triple stack. I am not mad about the money, I am tired of seeing this scenario like a broken record.

I have been through plenty of variance live. I have been playing live 2 nights and one full weekend day a week for more than 8 years. This includes Week long Vegas trips yearly where all I do is play and sleep.

Your advice is good, but it may not be for the reason you think it is though. No insult or sarcasm intended here seriously.

LOL! Yes, it is me...

i think it's rigged to be a gambling game

The games are totally different.


Again, do not take this the wrong way as I am not trying to insult you, but I cannot begin to tell you how much this shows that you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to online poker.

Poker is not poker other than having the same name. The games are totally different.

Some of the best players for the Omaha DoNs when I was playing those are people I would not stake for 1/2 cent Omaha either live or online. They had no actual poker skill, but they learned and understood how to play a specific format online as if they were a bot.

They would get destroyed at live games. They would get destroyed in most online games, but they found something they could systemically grind and made a good amount while those games lasted.


You do not play enough to be in the long term, and if you used database programs you could prove or disprove what you are selectively remembering. If you won that JJ hand and lost with some other bad beat later on all you would remember is the bad beat.

Yesterday in the Omaha 8 rebuy MTT I played for over 7 hours then lost to a solid player on the final table when he misclicked pre-flop and then got fairly lucky (he was just over a 2-1 underdog which is hard to do in that game pre-flop). Instead of being one of the chip leaders with 6 left I was instead crippled with 7 left. **** happens. Get over it.



Play online for fun and casually with money that means nothing to you and you will enjoy it. I cannot even begin to tell you how unprepared you are to grind online at this time, and I have the experience in evaluating thousands of players at this time so I really know what I am talking about and I am not being arrogant for the sake of being arrogant as I do at times to some riggies and OCD shills.


Ironically, my play is what I call "casual grinding" now which has some benefits as being a casual grinder means one can whine about losing and can trash talk in the chat and all sorts of other activities. When I was seriously grinding I would play about eight times my current volume and would have chat off and would not even notice or care about the all ins I would lose, I would simply open another tournament.


This is not me in trash talk or messing with riggies or OCD shill mode. This is me in my business mode in between looking over some solid stake apps and ones that were the following:

playingHistory:
Ive played for 4 years now, mostly live cash games, got into sit n gos because I believe theyre the best way to start out winning money when you start with a very low bankroll. Ive gone bust twice online because of my ego, someone, I challenge someone to a nlh hu cash game with my whole bankroll and lose because I was steaming, I have controlled that though and plan to disable the chat so that wont happen again. I truly believe I have talent for the game and know quite a bit from experience and reading.

referDetails:
from the 2 plus 2 forums (thanks 2+2...)

stakeGoals:
because my mother already gave me 50 dollars in her credit card, i lost it because of bad bankroll management and she wont give me another penny for poker.


Many applicants are not an easy yes or as in the case above a fairly easy no, rather they are ones which require assessing whether the player is mentally ready and has the skills to do poker as a long term career, and Donko for now you simply do not have the emotional fortitude to do that online and it is not even close.

Again, this is in no way a put down, because online poker as a job is not for everyone (just like any other job), but the way you talk about the activity is the way a rank amateur talks about any activity without understanding the complexity of what it takes to succeed at it. That is in part why those that have "it" can succeed, because much of their competition will never understand what "it" ever is.

You have a thing going live that you enjoy so use that as the foundation for creating a proper poker business plan, and have online poker as a fun "screwing around" aspect of it both for money and time, and if you do that then you will no longer get upset when your fancy JJ play fails. Instead you will actually have fun with the online stuff (without worrying about whether you are up or down a few cheeseburgers), while maintaining your focus on the live games.

If you have time then work a gimmick in here because all of the other gimmicks have totally sucked.

Back to the applications, so that is it for me tonight.

Best of luck.