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03-26-2011 , 04:53 AM
In b4 moved to bbv where more people lol at ops misfortune of being stupid. Sometimes when people write ops like that, i like to imagine what they look like while writing ridiculous cry baby wall of texts like that...-the faces i imagine are always hilarious.
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03-26-2011 , 04:59 AM
pretty amazing that this guy actually has a 7% ROI in MTTs... he plays 47/8 in cash games

i guess its proof that games arent dying
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03-26-2011 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by franxic
^^this. and prolly over your roll.




you are the only smartass itt. i seen these calls hundreds of times, even in higher games. fish do play $55-donkaments, you´re the best evidence.
for the love of god I hope not
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03-26-2011 , 05:44 AM
So a bad player calling with a bad hand and losing is evidence of something amiss? Wouldn't he win the hand if he was a Superuser, or can he only see the flop? The fact that he is a horrible losing player at micro stakes suggests to me he probably doesn't have any special powers.
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03-26-2011 , 05:50 AM
Nice min raise with AA preflop.
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03-26-2011 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SpaceGhost
Nice min raise with AA preflop.
Eh, this is at a level where players respect raises?

So the min raise is optimal DUCY??
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03-26-2011 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Since when is it that you ever should be behind?

You are either ahead or behind! So what am I thinking when in a hand? 'I think I have the best hand here but unfortunately I should be behind so, lol, I'm gonna fold'?
Sometimes you are behind the vast majority of a person's range but are ahead of a hand or two in that range. Even other times it may seem you are behind just about every hand in a player's range and then he turns up a hand that really makes no sense and is one you would not have thought was in his range.

Seems pretty clear he was talking about something like that. Given your language here though perhaps you do not actually even think in ranges ....



EDIT:

Not that I agree with him though. I think hand 1 was played quite fine and that KK is well ahead of villain's range there.

Last edited by Lego05; 03-26-2011 at 06:18 AM.
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03-26-2011 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Another customised scenario from the mischievous handulator.

Maybe you're not doing enough random mouse-clicks?
Obviously. Because 3 dollars rake and a bust player is much better than 1 and a half dollars rake and players who keep playing. Wait ... is it? Did the site just rig themselves money or did they just rig themselves less money or was there a rig? Confusing .... Is the handulator working? Maybe we need to get some U.S. regulation to make sure the handulator is doing it right.
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03-26-2011 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by subs
pretty amazing that this guy actually has a 7% ROI in MTTs... he plays 47/8 in cash games

i guess its proof that games arent dying
The ROI is deceptive. He won about 3k in a single MTT early in his poker "career" and spewed it all back over the next 800 games. He recently won about $1000 in another MTT but has since given nearly all of that back as well.

Sharkscope still has him up a few bucks so he should quit while ahead. If you take out his 2-3 best MTTs he runs at around -80% or worse, which given his play and analysis of the hand is about as expected.

We get stake apps all the times from guys like this who think their single score is representative of their skill instead of their steady losing in 99%+ of their other games.


QT guy is a donk as well, probably an aggro spewtard.

The AK guy is a hard core MTT grinder, though I am kind of surprised he did what he did with AK, because the min 3 bet is the classic play for the donks when they have AA or KK.

The OP can still quit poker while ahead a little and he certainly should.
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03-26-2011 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyclosarin
Eh, this is at a level where players respect raises?

So the min raise is optimal DUCY??
See Otatop's post and buy a clue.
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03-26-2011 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Sometimes you are behind the vast majority of a person's range...
Thanks for the lesson dude.

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Originally Posted by Lego05
Obviously. Because 3 dollars rake and a bust player is much better than 1 and a half dollars rake and players who keep playing. Wait ... is it? Did the site just rig themselves money or did they just rig themselves less money or was there a rig? Confusing .... Is the handulator working? Maybe we need to get some U.S. regulation to make sure the handulator is doing it right.
I'm not sure quite what you're getting at here, you seem to have some weird theories but they're not too easy to understand.
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03-26-2011 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyclosarin
Eh, this is at a level where players respect raises?

So the min raise is optimal DUCY??
wp sir wp
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03-26-2011 , 09:46 AM
Would all please stop telling OP to quit playing? DUCY??
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03-26-2011 , 09:53 AM
The OP should feel lucky and blessed that out of all the hundreds of thousand of poker players in the world it is he who has been chosen to be given the doomswitch. Perhaps the superuser who can see all the cards chose him for a special reason against all of the others wandering through the tables.

Maybe the superuser knows him and has turned it into a personal vendetta against him.

Maybe it's someone trying to ruin his life.

Maybe he should continue taking the meds.
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03-26-2011 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I'll try to clear up what i think is miscommunication that i understand. I apologize if I am wrong.


Say you have a physical deck of cards. You shuffle it. You now have a shuffled deck. The standard practice is to deal from the top. You could however, deal from the bottom, randomly pick cards from the middle, generally deal from the top but once in a while cheat and pull out a specific card from the middle, etc.

Now what he is saying/asking about PokerStars is that:

They have a figurative deck of cards. They have a way to shuffle it fairly and this is what is detailed on the website and what you have linked to. You now have a shuffled deck. However, he says PokerStars has never stated how they now deal that deck. Do they deal from the figurative top, the figurative bottom, pull random cards from the figurative middle or what do they do? What he has repeatedly said could be happening and what he seems to be worried about is that PokerStars generally deals from the figurative top, but every once in a while they pick a specific card no matter where it is in the deck and they deal that card. He believes they do this for the purpose of action and entertainment.




I think I got right what people were trying to say here. Someone correct me if I did not.
Yes, that is what hes saying, and it makes all the sense in the world. The only difference is its not just done for action and entertainment.
In a sense, individuals are not targeted, this would be too complicated to program. But, people in certain situations are. So, history of too many cashouts will target you for failure. A newbie buys in, youre an older player with profit, you will be targeted to lose and pass that profit to newbies so you will eventually have to rebuy. That cycle goes on and on.
So, that is why so many people believe its rigged, because it is.
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03-26-2011 , 10:10 AM
OP, stop crying. You min raised with AA. Enough said.
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03-26-2011 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Since when is it that you ever should be behind?

You are either ahead or behind! So what am I thinking when in a hand? 'I think I have the best hand here but unfortunately I should be behind so, lol, I'm gonna fold'?
You are right. Op raises and calls a reraise and then pushes $25.00 into a $11.00 pot. It is actually impossible that OP has a queen.

But, with $12.00 you had to call there anyways....


Just like on the river bet in the second hand.....NO WAY he has a full house.

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03-26-2011 , 10:19 AM
OP,

DirtyTaco says you are a donkey
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03-26-2011 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Yes, that is what hes saying, and it makes all the sense in the world. The only difference is its not just done for action and entertainment.
In a sense, individuals are not targeted, this would be too complicated to program. But, people in certain situations are. So, history of too many cashouts will target you for failure. A newbie buys in, youre an older player with profit, you will be targeted to lose and pass that profit to newbies so you will eventually have to rebuy. That cycle goes on and on.
So, that is why so many people believe its rigged, because it is.
You might want to try that again.
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03-26-2011 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Biffo
Maybe the superuser knows him and has turned it into a personal vendetta against him.

Maybe it's someone trying to ruin his life.
The alleged superuser lost the hand.

The alleged superuser had the losing hand on preflop, on the flop, on the turn and on the river. Seems like a weird way to carry out a vendetta.
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03-26-2011 , 10:47 AM
If you don't agree thats fine,but I do know there are others that fell this way now,and I want my voice heard if it takes me going to the wsop with my story somethings fishy. This guy flopped a straight and called 2 all ins in front of him I am not buying it.

Explain please, what the WSOP is going to do once they hear your voice.
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03-26-2011 , 10:49 AM
dude, he still lost with Q10. and going to the wsop and saying this lol will do nothing.
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03-26-2011 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ILikeBeer
You might want to try that again.
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Lots of reading comprehension problems on here. "target you", meaning the group situation you fall in. So "you" will reap the repercussions.
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03-26-2011 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
You are right. Op raises and calls a reraise and then pushes $25.00 into a $11.00 pot. It is actually impossible that OP has a queen.
Not impossible, but harder to fold than:

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Just like on the river bet in the second hand.....NO WAY he has a full house.
Where it's hard to call with the eighth nuts.
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