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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Maybe I didn't miss the fact that some shills self banned themselves but I didn't see the point considering how dull (silent) it was last time we did it.
Maybe a shill thought it would be fun to create a long winded gimmick post but is disappointed that nobody showed much interest despite his effort.
Maybe said shill thought Wiki in particular wouldn't be able to resist responding to it but is disapointed he hasn't posted.
Maybe it is ironic said shill is complaining about other shills "muddying the water" by breaking the self ban they never agreed to whilst themselves breaking their own self ban.
Maybe the riggies were already starting to gather around that theoretical post in a nice way (math riggies thinking how it helped weaker players, other riggies challenging shills to argue it etc)., and maybe the next gimmick post like that should be made with a bit more obvious help for shills to identify it as a gimmick. I know, perhaps the words Wingo_Woy, Mingo_Moy and Qingo_Qoy will be added at some point as secret code words.
Anyway, maybe I felt bad because a couple of honest, well intending hard working shills missed the thread boycott call and were debating a fake (which was the reason I theoretically broke the silence), but I only feel theoretically half as bad now, so carry on the battle, and good luck.
To remind the rigges, there was a good post to build on. Here it is again. See you in a couple weeks.
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Originally Posted by Wills Dad
First post, long-time 2+2 lurker...
Short Version: Insider says rigging occurs.
I've been playing at large PokerSite A for many years and recently decided to switch to PokerSite B because of a really bad prolonged losing streak at PokerSite A. I casually mentioned this to my wife one night, and she said "that's good, because I forgot to tell you, PokerSite A is totally rigged".
My wife is clueless about online poker and I get tiredhead when uninformed people tell me online poker is rigged, so I decided to just ignore her statement and move on. But she continued with her story...
First, a little background. My wife is a lawyer at one of the 5 largest law firms on the planet. She manages a team of lawyers that review documents to determine whether or not their clients must hand them over in a discovery request. These documents are in databases that may contain millions and millions of documents. They have vendors that supply and manage these databases and supply the software that allows them to be manipulated. My wife spends a lot of her time working with these vendors resolving problems.
One day, while killing time on the phone with one of these vendors, she asked how "Joe" was doing. Joe used to work for this vendor, and he did a good job handling my wife's problems with this vendor software. The guy she was talking with is Joe's best friend, "Mark". Mark told her that Joe had left his low six-figure job with the US vendor for a much higher six-figure job offshore working for Pokersite A, and he loved his job. Mark had recently gone to see him on vacation. My wife remarked that her husband regularly plays poker on Pokersite A, to which Mark said "he needs to play somewhere else". She inquired as to why. Mark told her what Joe had told him.
Some of what Mark said is common knowledge, but my wife is clueless about online poker so she didn't know. For example, there are many, many bots out there playing poker (no way!!!) and the Chinese and Russians collaborate (wow!!!). Finding bots, collaborators, and cheats is a big part of Joe's job.
What really perked my ears was when she said PokerSite A rigs hands to encourage play. How, I asked. She said the cards aren't manipulated after they are dealt, but that are occasionally dealt to encourage play. This happens randomly, maybe once every 1,000 hands, 10,000 hands, etc (the wife didn't know the distribution rate). I've heard this called the inducer method. I used the word "inducer", and she said, "yeah, that's it".
Here's an example... today I played a hand at a $6.50 9m 1 table SNG. I'm SB on the bubble, holding JJ. I'm small stack with 10+ BB, and the big stack Button makes a weak 3x steal attempt. I have a lot of hands on him, and NoteCaddy tells me what he probably has, so I'm pretty sure I own him. I push, he calls, and sure enough, he has a T9o. I'm feeling happy about the J8x flop, but he pops a Q on the turn. I'm out. On a 4-person table, the flop gives one of us top set and the other an open-ended straight draw. That's a deal that's inducing action. Stupid me for getting involved with hand I don't need on the bubble.
It happens. I know it happens, and I've still gone back to playing Pokersite A. It doesn't really bother me, because the information I've shared indicates the hand isn't rigged beyond the occasional inducer deal. There is no DoomSwitch or Fish Reward or SuperUser out to get you. You were just unlucky enough to hit the wrong end of a random fixed deal. Besides, Pokersite A offers the opportunity to make a large sum of money if you hit the SuperHigh level of their rakeback program, even with an ROI around 4-5%. I don't play expecting a high ROI, I'm just playing to earn points and bonuses.