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03-11-2011 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
standard Shill response!
yeah we know if we don't agree to rigtards confabulations, we are a shill

Btw when we will receive our pay?
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03-11-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
He said the software, not the RNG. In reading that I assumed he was talking about the interface. Different people have different opinions on whether they like the PokerStars software better, the Full Tilt software better, or they don't really care much.

the random number generator (RNG) is, unlike yesteryear, a piece of software...

as i'm sure you know, he was in a year long downturn which, according to him, saw him getting the worst bad beats one can imagine..meaning most of the time, no matter how favorite he was, he'd get beat....of course that will happen in poker except happening for a year straight hand in hand out?....lol.....
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03-11-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by camelfoot
the random number generator (RNG) is, unlike yesteryear, a piece of software...
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03-11-2011 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by camelfoot
the random number generator (RNG) is, unlike yesteryear, a piece of software...

as i'm sure you know, he was in a year long downturn which, according to him, saw him getting the worst bad beats one can imagine..meaning most of the time, no matter how favorite he was, he'd get beat....of course that will happen in poker except happening for a year straight hand in hand out?....lol.....
you're a liar or delusional poster

no mention of bad beat in the article!


[Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies has suffered from a long downswing stretch past few months and we have very rarely seen him at the tables.]
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03-11-2011 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
There would of course still be a jurisdictional argument to be made given that both the accused and the victim were in the U.S. during the the crime.

I'm not so sure a civil action could actually be successfully brought by that many people since a lot of them got their money back.



Anyway this has gone way beyond the simple point I was originally trying to make.
Christ, no, no, no, no, NO! Just because the accused now lives in the U.S., there is not a jurisdictional argument for a U.S. court to prosecute him. The crime occurred elsewhere. Elsewhere has jurisdiction. U.S. does not. This is the 14th time, we have denied your claim, you must be stupid, stupid, stupid....
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03-11-2011 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by camelfoot
the random number generator (RNG) is, unlike yesteryear, a piece of software...

as i'm sure you know, he was in a year long downturn which, according to him, saw him getting the worst bad beats one can imagine..meaning most of the time, no matter how favorite he was, he'd get beat....of course that will happen in poker except happening for a year straight hand in hand out?....lol.....
I think you are making a lot of assumptions that aren't actually written in the article.

A thing that is written in the article is that he seems to have lost a lot of money through playing and spewing while drunk.
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03-11-2011 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Christ, no, no, no, no, NO! Just because the accused now lives in the U.S., there is not a jurisdictional argument for a U.S. court to prosecute him. The crime occurred elsewhere. Elsewhere has jurisdiction. U.S. does not. This is the 14th time, we have denied your claim, you must be stupid, stupid, stupid....
I don't believe you understand what I am saying. I am not saying the U.S. have jurisdiction because Hamilton now lives in the U.S. I am saying they can argue jurisdiction by arguing that the crime occurred in the U.S. because Hamilton and his victims were both in the U.S. at the time Hamilton committed the crime.

It is my understanding that at the time Hamilton committed the crime he was in the U.S. and at least some of the victims were in the U.S. The perpetrator and the victims were both located in the U.S. and playing poker on their computers when the crime occurred. Of course Hamilton was using the internet to commit the crime. He stole money in cyberspace while sitting at a desk in the U.S. Where does the internet occur? At the time of the crime the relevant individuals (criminal actor and victims) were in the U.S., the poker site servers were in Canada, the corporation that owns the poker site is incorporated in Antigua and Barbuda. Where do you say the crime occurred?


And that 14th time denied claim thing was brought up in court by the lawyer for the party that the statement was directed at to make the company that issued the statement look bad. You just did it to yourself.
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03-11-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Oh do come on!

Quote: "The whole Full Tilt software started to give me creeps, it almost made me vomit. It might sound ridiculous, but I am not superstitious or anything"

The handulator is not a piece of software?
I agree that this quote is in the article. It is hard to completely understand what he is referring given the context of the quote. Claiming he is not referencing the RNG (which is certainly software) is as ridiculous as claiming he is referring rigging. Nothing about a year of bad beats though.

Sound like he moved to PS because he likes the structures better and Isildur is there. The drunk pos is chasing fish just like everyone else.
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03-11-2011 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
You don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying they have jurisdiction because Hamilton lives in the U.S. now. I am saying they can argue jurisdiction by arguing that the crime occurred in the U.S. because Hamilton and his victims were both in the U.S. at the time Hamilton committed the crime.

It is my understanding that at the time Hamilton committed the crime he was in the U.S. and at least some of the victims were in the U.S. The perpetrator and the victims were both located in the U.S. and playing poker on their computers when the crime occurred. Of course Hamilton was using the internet to commit the crime. He stole money in cyberspace while sitting at a desk in the U.S. Where does the internet occur? At the time of the crime the relevant individuals (criminal actor and victims) were in the U.S., the poker site servers were in Canada, the corporation that owns the poker site is incorporated in Antigua and Barbuda. Where do you say the crime occurred?


And that 14th time denied claim thing was brought up in court by the lawyer for the party that the statement was directed at to make the company that issued the statement look bad. You just did it to yourself.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your theory. You are wasting my time.
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03-11-2011 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Actually, Nfuego, some of this is correct but its hidden in his ranting conclusionary style.
To be clear, I don't give his posts much thought any more. If I see anything that qualifies as wrong, he gets the standard response because he's proven incapable of anything beyond emotional rants.
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03-11-2011 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I don't believe you understand what I am saying. I am not saying the U.S. have jurisdiction because Hamilton now lives in the U.S. I am saying they can argue jurisdiction by arguing that the crime occurred in the U.S. because Hamilton and his victims were both in the U.S. at the time Hamilton committed the crime.

It is my understanding that at the time Hamilton committed the crime he was in the U.S. and at least some of the victims were in the U.S. The perpetrator and the victims were both located in the U.S. and playing poker on their computers when the crime occurred. Of course Hamilton was using the internet to commit the crime. He stole money in cyberspace while sitting at a desk in the U.S. Where does the internet occur? At the time of the crime the relevant individuals (criminal actor and victims) were in the U.S., the poker site servers were in Canada, the corporation that owns the poker site is incorporated in Antigua and Barbuda. Where do you say the crime occurred?


And that 14th time denied claim thing was brought up in court by the lawyer for the party that the statement was directed at to make the company that issued the statement look bad. You just did it to yourself.
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Don't let the facts get in the way of your theory. You are wasting my time.
What facts do I have wrong exactly? Did Hamilton not commit the crime from a computer in the U.S.?


And you didn't answer the question I asked in my last sentence of the second paragraph. Where did the crime occur?
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03-11-2011 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
LOL. yea you would believe luck plays no part in poker. Your that dilusional. Drink up!
wrong
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03-11-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dlogic
you're a liar or delusional poster

no mention of bad beat in the article!


[Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies has suffered from a long downswing stretch past few months and we have very rarely seen him at the tables.]

You're getting hysterical now....lol....liar & delusional?...lol...you're defending the site like it's your life..i did not say it..he said it...i'm just the messenger and that seems to be bothering lots of people here..lol...see link below.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/1854-zii...wing-ever.aspx
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03-11-2011 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by camelfoot
You're getting hysterical now....lol....liar & delusional?...lol...you're defending the site like it's your life..i did not say it..he said it...i'm just the messenger and that seems to be bothering lots of people here..lol...see link below.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/1854-zii...wing-ever.aspx
From that link the only quotes I see are:

"Sickest downswing ever"; and

"I'm f done with poker, sickest downswing ever. Basic downswing, not in the mood for playing, but still playing, whatever "
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03-11-2011 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Fyp.
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03-11-2011 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by camelfoot
You're getting hysterical now....lol....liar & delusional?...lol...you're defending the site like it's your life..i did not say it..he said it...i'm just the messenger and that seems to be bothering lots of people here..lol...see link below.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/1854-zii...wing-ever.aspx
LOL, well, who do you think are answering your posts with all the lies and off the wall comments defending these rigged sites, actual players!!!!!!! Come on now.
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03-11-2011 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by camelfoot
You're getting hysterical now....lol....liar OR delusional?...lol...you're defending the site like it's your life..i did not say it..he said it...i'm just the messenger and that seems to be bothering lots of people here..lol...see link below.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/1854-zii...wing-ever.aspx
FYP

where you see i'm defending the site? (again making another assumption) Actualy i'm just attacking the messenger(you) reporting false information
you're making a lot of assumptions = delusional



P.S a messenger don't change the original msg!

My turn to make an assumption, you're a loser in poker!



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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
LOL, well, who do you think are answering your posts with all the lies and off the wall comments defending these rigged sites, actual players!!!!!!! Come on now.
How much did you lose?

Last edited by Dlogic; 03-11-2011 at 08:44 PM.
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03-12-2011 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
To be clear, I don't give his posts much thought any more. If I see anything that qualifies as wrong, he gets the standard response because he's proven incapable of anything beyond emotional rants.
Esepecially when the site doesn't make you provide actual sources to back up your claims. Poker is all skill! LOL you toolbox.
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03-12-2011 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Esepecially when the site doesn't make you provide actual sources to back up your claims. Poker is all skill! LOL you toolbox.
wrong
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03-12-2011 , 01:53 AM
Fellow shills, these people will not be a part of our system. They throw our logic on the ground, just like Andy Samberg in this video:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/99944/satu...-on-the-ground
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03-12-2011 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Claiming he is not referencing the RNG (which is certainly software)
Except that it isn't.

It is based on a piece of hardware that generates the numbers.
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03-12-2011 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Don't let the facts get in the way of your theory.
Which facts are you referring to?

Do you really believe that the US does not claim jurisdiction when one American in the US defrauds another American in the US just because the modality of so doing involved something happening outside the US?

Are you really that stupid?

Quote:
You are wasting my time.
You are wasting your own time by insisting on arguing a ridiculous proposition.
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03-12-2011 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Fellow shills, these people will not be a part of our system. They throw our logic on the ground, just like Andy Samberg in this video:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/99944/satu...-on-the-ground

Rigged by the system.. aahhhh yeeeeah
They throw our logic on the ground!

Last edited by LVGambler; 03-12-2011 at 04:34 AM. Reason: samberg efn hilarious
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03-12-2011 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Except that it isn't.

It is based on a piece of hardware that generates the numbers.
From the Pokerstars RNG page:

Quote: ["Building software that can properly generate reliable random numbers is non-trivial, but it is an absolute requirement in the gaming industry," said Dr. Gary McGraw, Chief Technology Officer at Cigital and author of the book Exploiting Online Games.]

It may be true that without hardware, software is redundant, but to offer this obvious fact as a counter-argument is pure sophistry.
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03-12-2011 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
From the Pokerstars RNG page:

Quote: ["Building software that can properly generate reliable random numbers is non-trivial, but it is an absolute requirement in the gaming industry," said Dr. Gary McGraw, Chief Technology Officer at Cigital and author of the book Exploiting Online Games.]

It may be true that without hardware, software is redundant, but to offer this obvious fact as a counter-argument is pure sophistry.
I think you're a little out of your depth here.

You're not really making any sense.

Pokerstars uses a hardware based RNG.

Obviously it will interface to the gaming software but using that as an argument that someone referring to software is actually referring to hardware is where any sophistry lies in this argument.
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