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03-09-2011 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
lets make it clear you are going to hell unless you stop right now and try and do some good with your life. Just think on your death bed reflecting of all the good deeds you did.
If crack pots like you are going to heaven then hell sounds like a far more attractive proposition.
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03-09-2011 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
wiki nfuego20 monteroy

you work for a industry that steals people money .

Thoughts? maybe going to hell?
+1000
As should all the rest who use crack dealer techniques.
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03-09-2011 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Just say the word and I will toss a 4-5 word comment at Wiki and you can watch him dance for 10-15 posts after. Interested?


All the best.
Yes, please. I would like to hear the court jester.
Thank you
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03-09-2011 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
from now on every time i take a crap i will call it a monteroy
I need to take a monteroy right now!
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03-09-2011 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
I need to take a monteroy right now!
No, you're a poopyhead!
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03-09-2011 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
wiki nfuego20 monteroy

you work for a industry that steals people money .

Thoughts? maybe going to hell?
Wait...you actually believe all the shill jokes?

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
MSNBC ever get back to you? They can sure use an idiot that just blurts out anything and hope people will believe it.
So you've applied, then?

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Or like I said must be someone else playing poker and playing golf in Vegas that looks like Russ Hamilton.
It must be, since he's in Florida. But then I guess there's no reason to let facts start getting in your way now.
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03-09-2011 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Ahhh playing the Ftops and in Stud my rolled KKK goes down the toilet to a flush where the guy needed 5th 6th and 7th to be the same suit. Yep that is random! What an obvious rig. Like I said when FT puts you on the list you are simply not allowed to win.
Do you actually understand that this has to happen sometimes if it isn't rigged and that unless you can show it happens too often you just a whining moron? I love the fact that you have to pretend you are on some kind of "no win" list to excuse your inability to win and to mask your gambling problem.

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Got a better one just busted out of Ftops in Hilo Stud, Any A,6, 7, or club and I have the nuts so basically 90% of the remaining cards help me and of course I brick the one or two that don't. FTP making the impossible possible. Got to love how they pick hands they know you have to play too.
I understand why you don't bother to analyse your hand histories. It is so much easier to make numbers up.
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03-09-2011 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
MSNBC ever get back to you? They can sure use an idiot that just blurts out anything and hope people will believe it. Like I said as soon as you can provide some actual, you know, sources? Love to see it. No regulation, no oversight, no recourse. Facts buddy. Or like I said must be someone else playing poker and playing golf in Vegas that looks like Russ Hamilton.
wrong
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03-09-2011 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Thott
Please don't get the impression from this post that I'm bitter about Poker Stars and that I'm running bad or anything.

I just stumbled upon this link and asked math a professor at my university about the randomness of Poker Stars RNG, and his response was yes in fact it is random, but very far from "real" poker. This is the reason why; when you play "real" poker when all the cards are dealt out to all the players at the table the remaining cards in the deck NEVER change their place in the deck.

So to put in prospective, in live poker all the cards are dealt out and there's 3 Aces at the bottom of the deck they'll never show up, however, with Poker Stars RNG those same 3 Aces can be moved to the top of the deck before the flop is dealt out or maybe before the turn or river is dealt, nevertheless this isn't even close to real poker.

Here's the link to the RNG info:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/

They are using a quantum RNG which basically means that cards are dealt based on various actions both pre-flop, flop, turn and river. Based on players actions/timing the RNG will determine the next card to be dealt.

Just imagine if they did this live with pros. Let me give you an example. In a live game (say 9 handed) the deal out the 18 cards pre-flop and based on how long it takes for everyone to make a decision will determine how long the dealer shuffles the deck before he or she deals the flop. Can you imagine! The players at the table would be like WTF you doing? Well this is fact at Poker Stars. Poker Stars will deal out everyone's pre-flop cards and based on all the actions mentioned above it will determine the next card for the flop, then based on flop action will re-shuffle then deal out the turn and same for the river. is that real poker?

Opinions please.

What's the difference? Nothing.
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03-09-2011 , 06:26 PM
The thread just keeps getting better everyday....We have Shills,Riggies & we now have have holy rollers!
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03-09-2011 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
MSNBC ever get back to you? They can sure use an idiot that just blurts out anything and hope people will believe it. Like I said as soon as you can provide some actual, you know, sources? Love to see it. No regulation, no oversight, no recourse. Facts buddy. Or like I said must be someone else playing poker and playing golf in Vegas that looks like Russ Hamilton.
He's playing Vegas. That means that the laws of the country where Ultimate Bet is located can not reach him and he is in the refuge of the United States and the U.S. won't do anything about it. Kind of the opposite of what you seem to try to claim. Though someone else did say that Russ is in Florida, not that, that changes anything.


I responded to you when you first commented along these lines and a bit of a conversation got going, but you, personally, seemed to ignore my response to your statement. I invited you to join back in on this discussion in this post:


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=29946

But you seem to have ignored that also.


I invite you again to join the conversation. You can click on that link above to read everything others have said on the topic. I look forward to your response.

Last edited by Lego05; 03-09-2011 at 06:45 PM.
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03-09-2011 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
wrong
So where is Russ? What is he doing? You moronic statements jut go further to show your ignorance.

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He's playing Vegas. That means that the laws of the country where Ultimate Bet is located can not reach him and he is in the refuge of the United States and the U.S. won't do anything about it. Kind of the opposite of what you seem to try to claim. Though someone else did say that Russ is in Florida, not that, that changes anything.
Ultimate bet was not located in a country, it was located on an Indian reservation. Once that knew nothing about gaming, and couldn't do anything about it. They are being used since their land is immune from US laws.
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03-09-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
So where is Russ? What is he doing? You moronic statements jut go further to show your ignorance.



Ultimate bet was not located in a country, it was located on an Indian reservation. Once that knew nothing about gaming, and couldn't do anything about it. They are being used since their land is immune from US laws.
wrong
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03-09-2011 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

Ultimate bet was not located in a country, it was located on an Indian reservation.
Amazing.
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03-09-2011 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
MSNBC ever get back to you? They can sure use an idiot that just blurts out anything and hope people will believe it. Like I said as soon as you can provide some actual, you know, sources? Love to see it. No regulation, no oversight, no recourse. Facts buddy. Or like I said must be someone else playing poker and playing golf in Vegas that looks like Russ Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by Lego05
He's playing Vegas. That means that the laws of the country where Ultimate Bet is located can not reach him and he is in the refuge of the United States and the U.S. won't do anything about it. Kind of the opposite of what you seem to try to claim. Though someone else did say that Russ is in Florida, not that, that changes anything.


I responded to you when you first commented along these lines and a bit of a conversation got going, but you, personally, seemed to ignore my response to your statement. I invited you to join back in on this discussion in this post:


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=29946

But you seem to have ignored that also.


I invite you again to join the conversation. You can click on that link above to read everything others have said on the topic. I look forward to your response.

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
So where is Russ? What is he doing? You moronic statements jut go further to show your ignorance.



Ultimate bet was not located in a country, it was located on an Indian reservation. Once that knew nothing about gaming, and couldn't do anything about it. They are being used since their land is immune from US laws.
1.3 Parties

“UB” and the Services it provides are wholly owned and operated by Blanca Games Inc., a corporation incorporated pursuant to the laws of Antigua and Barbuda (“Blanca”).


From: http://www.ub.com/user-agreement

Antigua and Barbuda is a country and is located a bit to the east of Puerto Rico, which is located a bit off the coast of Florida. I don't know what the laws of Antigua and Barbuda are in regard to an issue like this or other issues pertinent to online poker or other gambling because I have not researched it and I have no plans to research it. However, it is pretty clear that whatever those laws are, the law enforcement personnel in Antigua and Barbuda can't do anything about it as long as Hamilton is in the U.S. To do so would require the cooperation of the U.S. government. (Whether or not Antigua and Barbuda would prosecute or take any other action against Hamilton were he located in Antigua and Barbuda I do not know.)


So just to say it again: no country can take prosecutorial action against Hamilton without the assistance of the U.S. government except for the U.S.





You are likely thinking of the fact that Ultimate Bet is licensed and regulated by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission as said here: http://www.ub.com/about-us

Last edited by Lego05; 03-09-2011 at 08:58 PM.
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03-09-2011 , 08:41 PM
wow today this thread is so entertaining

Btw BOP Indian = India, Amerindian = North America
Kahnawake is a no man's land for us but still located in Canada!
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03-09-2011 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
He's playing Vegas. That means that the laws of the country where Ultimate Bet is located can not reach him and he is in the refuge of the United States and the U.S. won't do anything about it. Kind of the opposite of what you seem to try to claim. Though someone else did say that Russ is in Florida, not that, that changes anything.


I responded to you when you first commented along these lines and a bit of a conversation got going, but you, personally, seemed to ignore my response to your statement. I invited you to join back in on this discussion in this post:


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=29946

But you seem to have ignored that also.


I invite you again to join the conversation. You can click on that link above to read everything others have said on the topic. I look forward to your response.
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
So where is Russ? What is he doing? You moronic statements jut go further to show your ignorance.



Ultimate bet was not located in a country, it was located on an Indian reservation. Once that knew nothing about gaming, and couldn't do anything about it. They are being used since their land is immune from US laws.
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Originally Posted by Lego05
1.3 Parties

“UB” and the Services it provides are wholly owned and operated by Blanca Games Inc., a corporation incorporated pursuant to the laws of Antigua and Barbuda (“Blanca”).


From: http://www.ub.com/user-agreement

Antigua and Barbuda is a country and is located a bit to the east of Puerto Rico, which is located a bit off the coast of Florida. I don't know what the laws of Antigua and Barbuda are in regard to an issue like this or other issues pertinent to online poker or other gambling because I have not researched it and I have no plans to research it. However, it is pretty clear that whatever those laws are, the law enforcement personnel in Antigua and Barbuda can't do anything about it as long as Hamilton is in the U.S. To do so would require the cooperation of the U.S. government. (Whether or not Antigua and Barbuda would prosecute or take any other action against Hamilton were he located in Antigua and Barbuda I do not know.)


So just to say it again: no country can take prosecutorial action against Hamilton without the assistance of the U.S. government except for the U.S.





You are likely thinking of the fact that Ultimate Bet is licensed and regulated by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission as said here: http://www.ub.com/about-us


Oh ... and the reason for the bolded is of course that Hamilton is in the U.S.
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03-09-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Oh ... and the reason for the bolded is of course that Hamilton is in the U.S.
Not to mention the US won't assist with a illegal website breaking US law.
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03-09-2011 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Not to mention the US won't assist with a illegal website breaking US law.
That's not the issue we were talking about. You just want to switch subjects now? Nothing at all to say about what we were talking about? And your statement doesn't really go with the statement that you responded to with it:
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1.) So just to say it again: no country can take prosecutorial action against Hamilton without the assistance of the U.S. government except for the U.S.

2.) Not to mention the US won't assist with a illegal website breaking US law.
See .... those two statements don't really make any sense together.





(Not to mention there are many lawyers who believe that online poker sites are not breaking U.S. law by offering their services to U.S. citizens. Not to mention that the U.S. prohibiting foreign online sites from offering gambling to U.S. residents is a violation of WTO rulings.)

Last edited by Lego05; 03-09-2011 at 11:28 PM.
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03-09-2011 , 11:28 PM
[QUOTE=Lego05;25308301]

Antigua and Barbuda is a country and is located a bit to the east of Puerto Rico, which is located a bit off the coast of Florida. I don't know what the laws of Antigua and Barbuda are in regard to an issue like this or other issues pertinent to online poker or other gambling because I have not researched it and I have no plans to research it. However, it is pretty clear that whatever those laws are, the law enforcement personnel in Antigua and Barbuda can't do anything about it as long as Hamilton is in the U.S. To do so would require the cooperation of the U.S. government. (Whether or not Antigua and Barbuda would prosecute or take any other action against Hamilton were he located in Antigua and Barbuda I do not know.)


So just to say it again: no country can take prosecutorial action against Hamilton without the assistance of the U.S. government except for the U.S.


Cart before the horse. The U.S. government has to be requested to extradite Russ Hamilton to a country, generally, after charges are officially filed. Do you really think the U.S. government is just going to pick him up and drop him off to Antigua or Barbuda for no reason?

And I thought the IP address for the Pottripper account was linked to his house in Costa Rica for some reason.

Last edited by jjjou812; 03-09-2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason: added paragraph
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03-09-2011 , 11:37 PM
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Cart before the horse. The U.S. government has to be requested to extradite Russ Hamilton to a country, generally, after charges are officially filed. Do you really think the U.S. government is just going to pick him up and drop him off to Antigua or Barbuda for no reason?

I'm unaware if the U.S. and Antigua and Barbuda have an extradition treaty. I don't know if Antigua and Barbuda would bother requesting that for several possible reasons such as not believing there is any chance the U.S. would agree to do so (I don't know the terms of the extradition treaty if there is one) or perhaps they don't care enough to go through that or whatever reasons. I actually don't know for sure that they haven't already requested it or broached this topic in some way or just discussed it among themselves. But it obviously is at least much tougher for them to do anything about it because Hamilton is in the U.S.


Meanwhile the U.S. if it wanted to could attempt to prosecute Russ Hamilton right here in the U.S. I'm sure there would be jurisdiction arguments. But it is a U.S. citizen who stole a lot of money from U.S. citizens by cheating at gambling. Obviously the fact that it happened on the internet complicates jurisdiction decisions.


The truth of the matter, I think, is that nobody really seems all that interested in prosecuting Russ Hamilton ...... and if someone was going to try to, the country that would have the best shot at it would be the U.S.
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03-10-2011 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
I need to take a monteroy right now!
He currently has his head up Collin's ass. Give him a few minutes. BTW two bubbles in O8 by two outers. Yep. FTP alive and well and rigging the game so I can't win.
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03-10-2011 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
He currently has his head up Collin's ass. Give him a few minutes. BTW two bubbles in O8 by two outers. Yep. FTP alive and well and rigging the game so I can't win.
Keep playing this help alots the poker economy!
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03-10-2011 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
He currently has his head up Collin's ass. Give him a few minutes. BTW two bubbles in O8 by two outers. Yep. FTP alive and well and rigging the game so I can't win.
I won on Full Tilt today.

Lifetime I'm actually up a five figure amount on both Full Tilt and PokerStars. And I'm only counting the actual amounts made from playing at the tables in those figures ...... I have also made money on Tilt and Stars from rakeback/FPP's/stellar rewards/FTP's/Iron Man medals/bonuses.



So ....... I dunno, guess they are not rigging the game so I can't win.
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03-10-2011 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
He currently has his head up Collin's ass. Give him a few minutes. BTW two bubbles in O8 by two outers. Yep. FTP alive and well and rigging the game so I can't win.
wrong
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