wrong

I agree, running out of cards in triple draw and reshuffling the muck is far afield from the concerns about rigging or manipulating the deck.

Furthermore, the PS rep is upfront that they made a decision to handle this event in a way that is arguably to the benefit of the players.

And that article is from 2008.

another quality ****ing...

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $105.15
BTN: $278.90
SB: $68.70
Hero (BB): $102.00
UTG: $59.65
MP: $90.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A A
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $9.50, CO calls $6.50

Flop: ($19.50) 4 2 J (2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($47.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $22, Hero raises to $78.50 all in, CO calls $56.50

River: ($204.50) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $204.50
CO shows 4 7 (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
CO wins $201.50
(Rake: $3.00)

Except that that would be a completely hopeless way to detect wrongdoing.

So is Jesus. Apparently.

My guess is he'll be here in time to see the rehosting.

FYP.

riiiiight.

cause raising 74o, calling a 3bet, and then calling the flop with bottom pair is a winning play.

Well, it was in this case.

It's not clear exactly what your problem is.

Do you think that players playing stupid hands is something that is arranged by the site?

Do you feel that sites should rig the deal so that stupid play is never rewarded? If so, how long do you think the sort of players that provide funds for winning players would hang around?

Excellent detective work. Here's the 2+2 thread that was started in this forum 4 days before that 2 1/2 year old article:

Stars changing the odds in Triple Draw games

It's also been brought up at least 4 separate times ITT over the last couple of years.

Beats, Brags, and Variance

some internet research I've done today ( ie: rng; prng; statistical; chaos; alderny , discrete mathmatics etc etc) has revealed that true randomness not only doesn't exist but is also impossible to create. men that have forgotten more knowledge than I'll ever obtain have proved this to be true.
If true randomness did occur there would be large "gaps" of repeating cycles that would be organized at times that would cause the illusion of individual selection and "riggers" would see this as undeniable evidence.
In reality there is more than just a single rng at work, there are several working variously getting seeded, keyed, picking up noise and then an extracter phase that uses biases to exclude long runs of repetition that would take lifetimes to run thru.
wow, its really complex. goes into all the estimated particles in the known universe and the mathmatical computations extend exponentially beyond anything within comprehension.

The players unforeseen choices and actions cannot be predicted with absolute certainty so I don't see a huge advantage for the reputable sites to rig anything other than to make it as "randomly within reason" as possible to recreate the live poker game as closely as can be achieved.(for instance, I don't want to wait several lifetimes for a randomly occcuring repeating pattern of aces to play out to true randomness.) Then every poker player would want to play that site and the site would generate capital. That would be my ideal business plan if I were running a poker site.

still leaning toward not rigged.
I now believe it could definitely be rigged, but definitely impossible to prove.
I don't know if it is definitely rigged, if it were it would not be overt.
I think the odds are still in the players favor and cheaters (multi accounters, bots, collusion, superusers, hackers) would be a more direct threat than rng rigging.
just comes back to getting in the rhythm of the deal, situational awareness, dodging, and capitalizing on opportunities.
live shuffle is not true randomness either.

Whilst 'true' randomness may be impossible to create - it depends on which interpretation of quantum mechanics you chose - for all practical purposes, qualities of randomness far in excess of requirements can be achieved.

You don't need 'true' randomness for this to happen.

Wat?

Sensible
Wrong. It could definitely be rigged but, unless it were being done on an extremely small scale it would definitely be detectable.
That's really just saying what you said in the last two sentences.
Very true.
Not sure what you mean by 'rhythm of the deal'.
Correct.

Clearly FTP is rigged for me:


Full Tilt Poker $4,000 Guarantee Pot Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2500/t5000 Blinds - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): t92010 18.40 BBs
BTN: t232729 46.55 BBs
SB: t131261 26.25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t7500) Hero is BB with T T
BTN raises to t15000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t47500, BTN raises to t145000, Hero calls t44510 all in

Flop: (t186520) J T 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t186520) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t186520) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t186520
Hero shows T T (four of a kind, Tens)
BTN shows J J (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
Hero wins t186520


But wait, if it was rigged for me to win, then why didn't I end up winning the tournament? And then, if they wanted me to bust faster, why didn't they just let me bust there so I'd go and register in another tournament? And geez, what are the odds of flopping set under set, and then turning quads? Rigged!!!!!

Feel the force of The Dark Side.

You know you want to come over to The Dark Side.

It's not about you. It was the guy who threw away his pocket 5's that was the one being tarpped. Perhaps he could see the hole cards?

The complexity of the randomness, rigging debate is way beyond me.
Wiki,
The phrase in parentheses applies to the sentence before , not the sentence after ;0. believe me, I wouldn't be surprised if I got it all completely wrong and could imagine repeating myself in infinite circles with this information. lol
rhythm of the deal means- not trying to force the action, being patient looking for spots as the deal comes
I think I'm going to vote "no" in the poll. I'm satisfied at this point that rigging theories could be misinterpretted variance patterns.
I'll take my chances on the deal, staying on the sites that I think are legit. It would seem that rng's shuffle better than live anyway.
Thanks for replying and answering my questions.

shiz is rigged yo

When your opponent can't tell the difference between bottom and middle pair, maybe it is.

who are we lol at?....hmmm

lol you are a silly person!

Quote:
I now believe it could definitely be rigged, but definitely impossible to prove.

Wrong. It could definitely be rigged but, unless it were being done on an extremely small scale it would definitely be detectable.




Explain how you would "definitely" detect a site is rigged and explain at what scale it would be detectable.

wiki just wondering do u have a fridge in your moms basement?

Some minor changes, take your pick.

Actually, I do have a question!

Is FTP the only site that does the constant shuffling? Does PS really not do that?

lol

magic612 on youtube will help you mother ****ers to learn some common sence about online poker, your all getting riped a new arsehole and are so wrapt up rolling around in your own fesease, after sucking some imboseal out of a bigger poket pair, you dont ****ing realise, your bigger poket pair is loseing twise as much! online poker is no better than playing 1 arm bandits! ask yourself! save your money and run for your lives, untill some 1 brings out a ligitimate site thats fair and doesnt **** you outa yr money.

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