@knyt...: So if you are as skilled as he is, you must be making an extremely large sum of paper indeed. Or perhaps there's something about your creativity with that skill which is holding you back... My man was entirely self taught and still made millions (his primary 1st was in Cambridge in a non computer related discipline - and yet you're just one of the many who studied computer science and I'll sadly assume that you probably haven't even a tenth of the account which he now has. (You mentioned automation which he tweaked to perfection on at least 20 machines across multiple exchanges, last time I looked, so try doing the same yourself and see how much you're hot in the industry as a result)My friend is a true genius, and one of a kind, which I why I mentioned him frequently with the reverence he deserves.)

@dirtlad: I already named at least three companies worthy of doing analysis of any site's RNG.

Hmmm, as for the muppet who suggested my playing poker is akin to his leaving his car unlocked, when in the entire thread did I say that I was sure that the sites, or any one in particular, are rigged? I didn't. So your analogy is dumb. End of.

Those who are incapable of opening their minds, let alone their eyes, are tiring in life.

Time to sleep then. :-)

Again you need to learn to read.

I think I owe Montery an apology. I was really drunk and running really bad and think I said something. Sorry Montery. ( If I didn't write it, I was thinking it anyway LOL, still srry).

Here is a new twist on cashout curse.

I received my RB at the site everybody hates and ran it up. In the mean time FTP gave me their 27% deal so I've been playing there.

So, I figure I can pay some bills with the AP money and empty the account. I log onto FTP and run batcrap bad the session after the cashout. Now, I know the servers for the two sites used to be housed in the same building. But I heard FTP moved out of there, so I was then confused. I think we better look into cross ownership of these sites.

a) Grinders win $. Please to be explaining how I won the winner status lottery and get picked to win hands.

b) You play one table. That's somewhere between 60-75 hands per hour depending on which format you play. Considering there are 1326 possible starting hands in hold'em, it would take you about 20 hours to run through your first run of 1326 hands. I don't even want to know what kind of insane variance there is going to be wrt which cards you're dealt over 1326 hands, nevermind how many hours this is going to take to converge to your fair share of every starting hand playing 1 table.

c) Part 'b', but for board dealt variance. I'm not sure which is the correct math on this (52x51x50x49x48 or 50x49x48x47x46), but there are either 311,875,200 or 254,251,200 possible 5 card board combinations. If you were to play 20 hours a week and see 5 cards every single hand, you will have witnessed a grand total of about 0.025% of all possible board combinations over the course of a year.

Please to be explaining how you have played anywhere close to enough hands on any site to be able to comment on them considering the wild variance in dealt cards over your nanoscopic view of the long run.

Interesting. I make a post purely to describe how easy it is to write an arbitrage discovery system if one has the technical background and all you can come up with is a bunch of ad-hominem attacks that don't actually have anything to do with my post...one could almost think you were only in here to troll.

As to how much money I make, well what can I say apart from that's my business and not yours but I have the choice each day of which car I want to drive to work and which of my houses I want to spend the night at....then again, if you actually knew anyone with money you'd know that it's not something that you ever need to make a big show about having.

It's 50! since you already know 2 cards of the 50 as they are in your hand so they can never be part of the board texture. If you were talking about a table you are just watching with no hole-card cams then it would be 52!

You put down how easy it is to write an arb system and I told you that his was no simplistic system that most of you who studied comp science could come up with. If that's how you see an ad hominem, then good luck to you. Fact is you criticised someone whom I know to be unique among financial programmers, as if you're near his level. Like I should praise you in the same breath: shhheeeessh. Whatever. Otherwise, please prove how unique you are as compared to what I've said of him so far, and I would gladly read more.

I didn't "study" comp sci, it was a major I took because it was easy. I have been coding since the Vic20 was high-tech, my programs are currently running in over 120 newspapers over here so yeah, if you want to compare skill sets and technical prowess then have at it....if I actually cared about money we could get into that peen contest too but since I don't and how much I have is purely between me and my accountant there is no point.

Yep, no attacks in there and only directly commenting on my post.

First of your quotes you should notice a "...PERHAPS..." Or perhaps you might care now to state why it is you're not employed, as you talked down my friend's achievements as being "simple", to program & run over a dozen machines auto trading multiple markets (futures vs cash) all day by a large investment bank?

Second quote you really should notice the "...PROBABLY..."

Thus no surety of attack without equivocation there.
Nice try though.

Nietzchean Nibbles,

Your arguments belong in a playground. Why don't you tell us all how rich/strong/clever your dad is too?

Remember, your friend (real or imaginary) is not you.

Mods, can we get a custom title along the lines of Official Financial Programmer Qualification Specialist?

Explanation: As a few persons started to doubt that I knew someone who was capable of analysing the RNG (he happens to be a genius who would not play online poker for reasons connected to this thread but that's neither here nor there anymore), I tried in vain to explain a little more about the person whom I'm referring to without giving his identity away. Which of course leads to charges of fantasy, fairies, wood elves etc.

Oh dear....

Please could someone else take this thread back on topic before someone else tells me my friend doesn't exist etc.

My guess is your "friend" is someone you sat next to in grade school and now is your only claim to fame. You go out with coworkers and they tell interesting stories or jokes and you try to talk about your "friend", but nobody really cares.

But its ok, because when I think of the most interesting people I know, surely they are the ones who constantly brag about knowing some rich dude who knows how to program a computer or something.

Why don't you lead by example and give us one way someone could rig the RNG.

I have the distinct feeling we've all been levelled.

At first he just came across as a bit of a jack-ass but it's getting hard to believe his act now.

Only someone with a fairly severe level of high functioning autism would display the mix of literacy and complete lack of social skills that NN is exhibiting.

If it is a level, I must admit it's an effective one.

He's played out several thousands of hands though.


I don't know how I'd ever get such a big sample to compare. I guess I'd have to play for like 5 hours or something.

Wow, he did have a hell of a bad beat happen to him though. In a play money game he was all-in pre-flop with JJ and lost to AK. That only happens like 44% of the time. Sick.


164,381,184 games 0.235 secs 699,494,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.148% 55.94% 00.20% 91959624 336876.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 43.852% 43.65% 00.20% 71747808 336876.00 { AKs, AKo }

Weird that there's one person sitting at many $10 sng's? Maybe somebody should tell him that there are some people who mass multitable and win money. Should we tell him about Boku?

I will now disappear.

I can't stand seeing the word colour without the 'u'...it's almost like people posting in here are from, I don't know, different countries or something.

Find three in this thread. I doubt you could even find one, TBH.

This assertion is getting old.

Yawn. How many times have you repeated this now?

^^^ Ha - missed that one about the maths!

Whenever I'm referring to a mathematic I abbreviate it to the singular.

However, when I refer to mathematics I abbreviate it to the plural.

Question: Assume the following facts: 9 players sit together and play poker for 2,000,000 hands. Assume the first player out still played half the hands. It is a winner-take-all structure, but no escalating blinds. You have access to all of their hand histories. Player A, Alvin, wins B-I’s money.

Question 1: Is it possible to run the HH’s in a study like TonyH’s or Spadebidder’s and have all of the players actual hands be within the standard deviation of their expected hands. If not, why?

Question 2: Would your answer be different if they only played 200,000 hands?

Question 3: Assume Alvin runs better (i.e., twice as many pocket pairs and sets) than all the other players, but he doesn’t know it. How would this show up statistically?

Question 4: Alvin runs no better than the other players, but he can see the other player’s hole cards (like pottripper). To avoid suspicion, Alvin purposely loses 30% of his hands at showdown and folds 30% of his winning hands on the flop? How would you be able to prove cheating by Alvin?

Question 5: Same as question 4, but assume that you don’t have access to Alvin’s HHs.

Again superuser = cheat not rig

If potripper hadn't have been so greedy, is it not likely that he would have escaped detection? If I remember rightly, he was folding KK preflop with no raise before him when he saw that someone else had AA. He was practically screaming out that he was a superuser. Could there not be dozens of superuser accounts in the hands of more competent players that are unlikely to be detected?

Btw, I don't believe online poker is rigged and I know that cheating is not the same as a rigged game before anyone starts.

edit: actually, just ignore this post. It's off-topic and should probably be in some "superuser" thread.