How do you know they refuse?

lol i'm not sure Dreamers, shills and site promoter want to be buddies with rigtards!
My 2 cents

P.S Rigtards keeps dumbing-down 2+2

If I would do that I would play maybe 30 minutes a week !!

It usuallys takes less than 10 minutes to get my aces cracked ...

What's with this "dreamer" title being thrown around lately? I've been around a while and its new to me. Is it just something people use to ignore posters who can't possibly work for a site or is there some meaning behind it?

For example: I guess with my 3 posts a month there is no way I can be a shill, so I'm a dreamer?

If you are a winning player(and of course don't believe it's rigged) you are a dreamer from the perspective of a Riggie(TheTruth5)

A dreamer is supposed to be a person who believes that poker isn't rigged and that he can in fact be a winning player even though he cannot. He is living in ignorance of the truth, 5.

Oh it's just too easy. Not worth it...

funny thing is i have only seen a couple people in this thread saying online poker is not rigged who are not shills. If that dosent sound alarms off then runner runner's sures as hell won't

Online poker is not rigged. I constantly get called by donks in Razz with a QJ4 while I have A35 and lose 90% of the time. Yepppp total random shuffle. No doubt.

I follow this thread (mostly for entertainment value but some of the math is interesting too). If I or anyone else for that matter comes in here and says online poker is probably not rigged they'll be accused of being a shill regardless of who they are.

For the record I don't believe the games are rigged. I haven't seen any hard evidence suggesting that the sites are rigged, so it seems unlikely that they are. The shills often present logical/well thought out arguments with evidence to back up their claims. The riggies rarely present any relevent data.

The people I feel bad for are the ones genuinely undecided either way. These people may get lost in the leveling that goes on in this thread and it just makes the matter more muddled. They probably are seeking answers but it seems unlikely they would find any amongst all the bickering that goes on here.

<humor>Where do I sign up so that I get paid for this post?</humor>

That seems pretty skewed. I looked on two dimes and it suggested you should win this about ~84% of time. Perhaps you should post further evidence and/or HH's so the community can help get to the bottom of this.

Though since your opponent is likely to fold if he bricks on 4th and/or you catch good on 4th, then it'll be hard to tell if your opponent started with QJ4. I would suspect your would see a skewing of wins when your opponent catches good on 4th and you catch bad. For example, if you were to catch a K and opponent got an A, your win % drops substantially to 66% and your opponent would be more showdown bound.

Another study that might be of interest in investigating if you're getting a fair deal is counting the rank of the card that you/and your opponents get on 4th street. These cards are visible to everyone so nobody has to worry about unseen cards which seems to be a concern in Hold'em.

If YouTube's Magic612 video is wrong about something, then the evidence at hand should correct him Hmm lets take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PokerStars

or maybe here

http://www.gamblingsites.com/bio/isai-sheinberg/

looks like the picture depicts the same one on his video or maybe everyone on the net is wrong and you are right!

How many times have you seen me swear in this thread?

A bit of highly selective rudeness bashing there.

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I haven't seen any hard evidence suggesting that the sites are rigged, so it seems unlikely that they are. The shills often present logical/well thought out arguments with evidence to back up their claims. The riggies rarely present any relevent data.

Ok heres a study:

http://www.stinkingcool.com/poker-su...bbing-you.html


And there is plenty more where that came from enjoy and have a nice day

so the ace is kind of like superman

Glad you are beginning to see sense.

That doesn't even make sense!

I've met him, and I can tell you that that photo is not him.

Almost no leveling takes place in this thread. Most of the shills can't help themselves but react they way they do (amusing that some think pay is involved) and the riggies completely believe what they are posting either because they are deeply paranoid or whiny tiltdonks after a bad beat that they exaggerate without showing a simple hand history.

The thread gets a ton of gimmicks, but most are sadly representations of what the person believes and only a couple have been actual "level gimmicks." I have encouraged a number of math geeks to do a math level against the riggies but no luck so far in that regard.




In other forums this would be a rational response, but in this thread this is probably one of the strongest candidates for a "level post" unless you will be genuinely impressed by a response of being called a shill and/or a link to a youtube video where a guy gets a bad beat in a freeroll, or perhaps a tirade against Indians.

Enjoy your visit.

There wouldn't be any point.

The riggies would not understand it and would simply ignore it in the same way that both they and the other shills have repeatedly ignored explanations of far easier ways of manipulating things than rigging the RNG.

Or they would look on confused but still cheering from the sidelines while the fake proof was laid out and instantly start calling the gimmick a shill the moment the 'flaw' was discovered.

But the biggest problem is that you would need to have a vast number of people in on it because the minute someone posted the tiniest error in their maths the world and its dog would be in like Flint to set them straight.

There is really only one possible response to your posts:

www.gamblersanonymous.org

I realize that until you hit rock bottom there's little chance anything any of us say will make a difference. However, since it's also very unlikely anyone cares enough to stage an intervention on your behalf it's left to us to try to prevent you waking up one day with a bad taste in your mouth from earning your latest $20 deposit the hard way.

So please, for your own sake, get some help. You don't need to live this way. I know admitting you have a problem is the most difficult step. However, make that leap and you can lead a normal, happy life.

Well, as normal as possible for someone with your obvious... difficulties.

looks like john harkness, a (now deceased) associate mentioned in the article. He was a big RGP guy and BARGEr...

it also looks kind of shopped i think they gave him curly hair and horn rims

I'd like to go to BARGE this year

While you may be the smartest guy in your trailer park and I'm sure your posting style is perfectly acceptable in the Justin Bieber fan forums you normally post, here on 2+2 we tend to expect such luxuries as complete sentences and coherent thought.

While the content of your posts has never risen above the level of a 12 year old girl texting in math class that doesn't mean you should also model the style of your posts after them. So yes, if you choose to post like a mindless tween you can be expected to be treated with just as much respect.

2+2 is full of intellectual snobs and every time you post you underline just how much you don't belong here. If you wish to stay and would like to be treated as an adult, then I would strongly suggest you learn to speak the language. If not, well, there's always Habbo...

Hrm, that's funny, somebody was just asking me the other day about going to BARGE. If I make it to Vegas this summer it's probably going to be for the WSOP circus and annual 2+2 smooze. Hard to justify back to back trips like that but maybe it's time we took this thread on the road...