If the answer is so obvious, it should not be difficult for you to explain it.

So prove it. Buy HH's for the site where you think this riggedness is happening, buy the first 10k hand histories for say 1000 people from a tracking site, combine them and do the math on AIPF hands with confidence intervals, SD and all that crap, the same style as spadebidder. Pay someone to do it if you don't know how yourself. Should cost you only a few hundred $ but first make this specific request, some tracking sites will oblige I'm sure.

If after that, the numbers differ significantly from the expected outcome, you will have proven your theory mathematically and become a hero, make lots of $$$.

Or if you're on a low budget, just make an account for a tracking site and look at the win-rates for a big number of players on their first say 10k hands (or whatever number you think the run-good stops at)

Or the way of the monteroy, just keep making new accounts where this is happening and run good all your life, make lots of $$$. I mean this last one would cost you nothing and would make you tons, what's stopping you?

Also, +1 to posting that hand + your theory in BBV

OK ill answer that if u promise to turn my doom switch off after i answer this being that u work for stars

OK Josem 2 reasons why ....if this was a cash hand larger rake/action hand...2nd reason the faster they illiminate players from said game the faster they load another game

Surely people going busto faster would lower overall rake (although increase it short term)? Unless of course you assume infinite bankrolls. Martingale ftw

maybe it's variance

Ok, here is my observations about this subject;

Sites that use bots like UB are obviousely doing some rigging because the very nature of poker is man vs man with the house getting a rake; with a bot you are also playing the house. I do not believe that the random card generators are weighted heavily for the bots because I have won too many pots vs them in the micros where players are generally expected to play worse and therefore not notice the results.

Sites such as Full Tilt, where I have never knowingly played a bot seem completely legit. I thought there could be some rigging after I went on some hellish down swings, but upon further study via pokertracker and 15k hands, I have seen that my pots won, hole card distribution, while slightly different from statistical expectation, were in the expected ranges. My experience has been short rushes and slides of a few hundread hands and long stretches where, I just bounce up and down a hundred to one hundred fifty big bets. The players at my low and micro level play about like live 1/2 players and show down some crazy stuff like bottom pair calling big bets til the river then shoving with a rivered 2 pair. This creats huge swings.

Knew this was coming ! You have never watched players reload during cashgame now have you?

BTW thanks to the shills im increasing my post count!

Yes they do, lots, which is great, but there is a limit right? I also see people instaquit lots to though. Wouldn't the site's want to string it out as long as possible (especially in cash games) so it all gets chewed up in rake.
Rigging it for lots of marginal hands and lots of split pots would be a much more lucrative system wouldn't it?

Not if your said action hands were spread out.....what im trying to say is these hands are not going to come up every other hand come on now..that would really look bad !

But if they are spread out then that's just normal hand distribution isn't it?

FTP really going out of their way to tell me I am not wanted. Getting rivered every hand in O8 and just had AAA cracked with runner runner quads. Yea that is so random.

OK milk do you actually see these hands live like u do here...dont give me that you play more hands on the net BS ....i play alot live! You just dont see these hands like u do here & yes i have about 200 of these over the edge action hands saved

please talk to milkfi5h he will lead you to the water!

Now razz is even better. Every time I start with 3 cards under 6 the last 3 cards are always paint. Love ya FTP. Good luck in the US!

Question of the day: How many times do you see live players on here complaining about badbeats?

I don't know if you're trying to play some joke on us, but:

a) it wasn't a cash game hand, you just said so.

b) so called "action flops" actually reduce the rake earned by poker sites.

'cause you don't even bother to read the recent discussions about this, I'm not going to bother retyping all this stuff:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14061
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14924

Is there any evidence that people are more likely to play because they suffer a bad beat. Do you play more because you suffer a cooler?

live poker is definitely rigged every time i have pocket kings an ace flops

You must've made them mad with all your accusations. Getting too close to the truth! LOLZ pwned.

Now quick break your computer and save us all from having to read the same bs comments every time you make a post.

Don't worry, it's coming.

OMg you want me to believe your BS ...sorry wont happen i have & most here have there own opinions...anybody could write something down & throw some numbers at it to make it look good!

It's very plain to see over a period of time that you are on the "Not allowed to win" list. You can go months card dead. Then when you make the perfect play with the right starting hand the donk who can't fold just keeps hitting the miracle on the river. It's so obvious that there is a third party involved and making sure you can't win. It's a joke

Well I've only played a little live, maybe 20k hands or so (total guess). In that time I've seen two royals though and plenty of coolers. I had 64s and flopped 664 against someone's 44 last time I played which was pretty awesome I was also sat next to someone who just won a bad beat jackpot in another casino so that must have been quads over quads at leat. This doesn't mean much though of course.

I was just wondering, if these action hands are spread out, isn't that just normal?
Like if you have 200 hands like that in a 1000 hand sample then that definately seems off, certainly worth looking into at least, but if it's over like 20000 hands it's less significant.
Obviously the sites can't rig it so every hand is like that, but how much more often do you think it happens online? 1 every 10k hands? 1 every 2k hands?

Also why is saying you play more hands online bs? I've played 15k hands this week which would take me a long time live. I don't get why that is bs.

I don't think you've made any of your opinions look good. Failure to grasp something as simple as:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They're

doesn't help your credibility.

Surely there are exceptions but I'd be willing to bet there's a strong correlation between the credibility of posters who can handle something as simple as this and those who can't.

In any case, we, the poker playing shills, thank you and your kind for your contributions to the health of the games.

What are you talking about? There isn't any sophisticated maths in it! It's just common sense when you actually think about the issues.