The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
02-14-2011
, 08:14 PM
Wait a minute. I didnt say that this guy cheated. He is a fresh deposit with less than 4k hands played. For now I will expose the hand but I dont want to create problems to someone I dont have any proof is cheating or otherwise. The hand I talked about is this:
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - V
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
CO: $11.60
Hero (BTN): $5.93
SB: $5.00
BB: $12.27
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with A
J 
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1.72
Flop: ($3.82) 8 J 
J (2 players)
BB bets $2.05, Hero calls $2.05
Turn: ($7.92) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $1.98 all in
River: ($11.88) Q
(2 players - 1 is all in)
BB shows [Qh, Qc ]
Hero shows [Ad, Jh ]
BB wins $11.31 USD from main pot
This guy was trying to run over the table, raising and reraising large ammounts and I was just waiting to catch him. I would never have paid a 1.72 dolar raise with AJ on any other situation ...
If you want more hands I lost beeing more than 90% favourite I can find hundreds. And not counting the ones I went all in pre river ...
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - V
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
CO: $11.60
Hero (BTN): $5.93
SB: $5.00
BB: $12.27
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with A
J 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1.72
Flop: ($3.82) 8
J J (2 players)BB bets $2.05, Hero calls $2.05
Turn: ($7.92) 7
(2 players)BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $1.98 all in
River: ($11.88) Q
(2 players - 1 is all in)BB shows [Qh, Qc ]
Hero shows [Ad, Jh ]
BB wins $11.31 USD from main pot
This guy was trying to run over the table, raising and reraising large ammounts and I was just waiting to catch him. I would never have paid a 1.72 dolar raise with AJ on any other situation ...
If you want more hands I lost beeing more than 90% favourite I can find hundreds. And not counting the ones I went all in pre river ...
Last edited by ferdinand; 02-14-2011 at 08:21 PM.
02-14-2011
, 08:34 PM
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And you can be SURE he will find an alternative explanation.
Banonlinepoker, you have the right idea, state the facts and move on.
Now, Ferdinand, please save yourself from extreme frustration by trying to have a real discussion. As ive said i few times already, what you have pointed out happens to every REGULAR player that has played online. That is why coming out ahead in the LONG RUN cant be done, especially regarding U.S. players.
Youre trying to get answers from a slew of site promoters, dreamers and liars. Where do you think that is going to get you? Go with what you know is obvious and leave it at that, or try another forum with mostly real players.
Banonlinepoker, you have the right idea, state the facts and move on.
Now, Ferdinand, please save yourself from extreme frustration by trying to have a real discussion. As ive said i few times already, what you have pointed out happens to every REGULAR player that has played online. That is why coming out ahead in the LONG RUN cant be done, especially regarding U.S. players.
Youre trying to get answers from a slew of site promoters, dreamers and liars. Where do you think that is going to get you? Go with what you know is obvious and leave it at that, or try another forum with mostly real players.
02-14-2011
, 10:07 PM
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So, uh, what do you expect us to do with this hand?
The fact that something that has just a small chance to happen, and subsequently does happen, itself suggests that the shuffle is truly random.
How can you expect something to be random, yet not sometimes give surprising results? By its very nature, something that is random should be unpredictable, as you (unfortunately) discovered.
It makes no sense to suggest that predictable outcomes (in this case, the favourite always winning) are a part of any random process.
The fact that something that has just a small chance to happen, and subsequently does happen, itself suggests that the shuffle is truly random.
How can you expect something to be random, yet not sometimes give surprising results? By its very nature, something that is random should be unpredictable, as you (unfortunately) discovered.
It makes no sense to suggest that predictable outcomes (in this case, the favourite always winning) are a part of any random process.
This is not a pokerstars specific issue. I see this at pokerstars, full tilt, betfair, titan poker and bodog. Same pattern over and over again ...
The red arrows are switching sites points (Have no HH from Bodog...). This is my graph to date (doesnt include bonus or rakeback):
http://img510.imageshack.us/i/graphred.jpg/
Last edited by ferdinand; 02-14-2011 at 10:31 PM.
02-14-2011
, 10:34 PM
02-14-2011
, 10:54 PM
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A couple of years ago when I was a recreational playing on PKR I even saw AA vs KK vs TT and the flop came T T K K A !!
No one bet until the river where they all went ALL IN
And that is another pattern I see quite often. On multiway pots the underdog hand wins a lot !!!
No one bet until the river where they all went ALL IN
And that is another pattern I see quite often. On multiway pots the underdog hand wins a lot !!!