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02-13-2011 , 11:29 AM
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The United States government and I are not one and the same. So no, there's no "we" on these issues. I'm proud to live here but am not going to be so ignorant to follow along with anything my country does and claim it's right just because I'm an American. I love the "if you don't like it feel free to leave" line too. That's always classy lol.
The government isn't some clandestine agency pal, your vote puts them in office unless of course you don't vote which def seems like you. As for the line of leaving. It has nothing to do with class but everything to do with people like yourself.

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you have some sort of problem with immigrants
Not at all if they treat it as their country and not an ATM machine.

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You also might be surprised to know that I align myself far more with the Republican party than Democrats in terms of personal principles, but the Repubs have screwed up this issue the most, and both sides are a running joke at this point.
BS, so far Reid has been the one who has butchered this. What he pulled last year in his attempt to suck his casino owner donors' dicks was a joke. As is this opt out crap to pacify the Indians who are yelling they are going to lose money if we legalize online poker and or gaming.
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02-13-2011 , 11:41 AM
I would say its fairly obvious posters like WIKI, monteroy, nfuego, etc. are in here so much to protect whatever interest financially they have in the online poker business. First of all, anyone who has supposedly played as much as they claim they do, could not be that ignorant as to say its not rigged. So they need to try to make people who are starting to realize there really is something wrong witb the whole thing believe otherwise. Being sarcastic, etc.
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02-13-2011 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
I would say its fairly obvious posters like WIKI, monteroy, nfuego, etc. are in here so much to protect whatever interest financially they have in the online poker business. First of all, anyone who has supposedly played as much as they claim they do, could not be that ignorant as to say its not rigged. So they need to try to make people who are starting to realize there really is something wrong witb the whole thing believe otherwise. Being sarcastic, etc.
Wengi wa riggies hapa, wakati wapotofu, angalau ni nia ya baadhi ya aina ya mazungumzo. Wewe si chochote ila ni troll haina maana, spewing nje yasiyo na msingi huo tena na tena na tena na tena. Kama walikuwa na mtuhumiwa yeyote hapa kuwa shill kwa ajili ya tovuti, itakuwa ya mabango kama wewe ambaye kufanya posts katika msaada wa mstari wa riggie ya kufikiri kwamba ni hivyo inane kama kwa kufanya wazo kuonekana preposterous na kupoteza uaminifu wote.
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02-13-2011 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
LOL i fell out of chair @ that 1
Now look, your doctor has told you about trying to sit upright at the same time as you're chewing gum.
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02-13-2011 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Wengi wa riggies hapa, wakati wapotofu, angalau ni nia ya baadhi ya aina ya mazungumzo. Wewe si chochote ila ni troll haina maana, spewing nje yasiyo na msingi huo tena na tena na tena na tena. Kama walikuwa na mtuhumiwa yeyote hapa kuwa shill kwa ajili ya tovuti, itakuwa ya mabango kama wewe ambaye kufanya posts katika msaada wa mstari wa riggie ya kufikiri kwamba ni hivyo inane kama kwa kufanya wazo kuonekana preposterous na kupoteza uaminifu wote.
Think you missed one of your med dosages. Double up please, just in case.
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02-13-2011 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
I would say its fairly obvious posters like WIKI, monteroy, nfuego, etc. are in here so much to protect whatever interest financially they have in the online poker business. First of all, anyone who has supposedly played as much as they claim they do, could not be that ignorant as to say its not rigged. So they need to try to make people who are starting to realize there really is something wrong witb the whole thing believe otherwise. Being sarcastic, etc.
Part of why I am here is entertainment value and the rest is to actually generate business for my poker business which I openly admit to and make comments about in nearly ever post here (including this one).

Whether people believe online poker is rigged or not is not even that significant in either of these goals as riggies represent a tiny portion of the marketplace and they are always too poor and unstable for us to work with so we have no need for them as customers except in select cases (which have worked out). In contrast, people who like to laugh at riggies can be good customers as I have discovered from this thread as well as we have received many applications who commented on this thread when they applied.

I like that guys like you have not figured out my motives even when I am completely open about them. You always need to make things so complicated. Now get back to work shilling for me you lazy bastard.


Regarding the other personalities you speak of you again are again way off the mark. Wiki is not a defender of online poker, he is just essentially an extremist who happens to be on the anti-riggie side with the durability to argue with every riggie, gimmick or Lizard Person (who are much more short term and disposable) that wander along.

You will not outlast him especially when you break character once in a while (as Josem got you to do). Nobody can outlast him, and the sooner you accept that you are going against that type of obsessive personality the sooner you can get on with your gimmick life and the more you can concentrate on doing what is important - shilling for me.

Nfuego is a successful player (one of the few shills who does actually play) and riggies and others who whine about luck, doomswitches and conspiracies make light of that accomplishment so I can understand the minor frustration that can create until one realizes that riggies do not matter.


By the way, nice to see the angry racist back, he was always good for business.


Now get back to shilling for me Truthgimmickguy.
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02-13-2011 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
Think you missed one of your med dosages. Double up please, just in case.
רבים riggies כאן, בעוד מוטעית, לפחות מתעניינים במין דיאלוג. אתה סתם טרול חסר תועלת, פולט את השטויות אותו שוב ושוב ושוב ושוב. אם הייתי חושד שמישהו כאן כדי להיות shill עבור האתרים, זה יהיה כרזות כמוך אשר עושים הודעות תמיכה של קו riggie לחשוב כי הם כל כך מטופשת כמו להפוך את הרעיון נראה מגוחך ולאבד את כל האמינות.
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02-13-2011 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Part of why I am here is entertainment value and the rest is to actually generate business for my poker business which I openly admit to and make comments about in nearly ever post here (including this one).

Whether people believe online poker is rigged or not is not even that significant in either of these goals as riggies represent a tiny portion of the marketplace and they are always too poor and unstable for us to work with so we have no need for them as customers except in select cases (which have worked out). In contrast, people who like to laugh at riggies can be good customers as I have discovered from this thread as well as we have received many applications who commented on this thread when they applied.

I like that guys like you have not figured out my motives even when I am completely open about them. You always need to make things so complicated. Now get back to work shilling for me you lazy bastard.


Regarding the other personalities you speak of you again are again way off the mark. Wiki is not a defender of online poker, he is just essentially an extremist who happens to be on the anti-riggie side with the durability to argue with every riggie, gimmick or Lizard Person (who are much more short term and disposable) that wander along.

You will not outlast him especially when you break character once in a while (as Josem got you to do). Nobody can outlast him, and the sooner you accept that you are going against that type of obsessive personality the sooner you can get on with your gimmick life and the more you can concentrate on doing what is important - shilling for me.
Dear old Monty.

Has said time and again that he's not going to post here any more but he keeps coming back.

What's amusing is that he seems to think he's 'different' to the other shills. (Of course, he's only doing it ironically ).

The funniest thing is when he loses it and tries to 'trash talk'. (It's a bit like the embarrassing dad trying to dance with his teenage children )
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02-13-2011 , 12:21 PM
First off, yes I am probably a fish compared to all of you so I know most my loses are due to bad play.

That being said, I've never seen the stuff I'm seeing at FT ever before. I raise 3x in SB, BB shoves with A6o, I call with AK, 4 spades come on the board to give him a flush. I see this type of stuff all the time and I'm truly convinced that FT has suck outs "predetermined" for excitement purposes or for whatever reason.

So what I'm asking is if anyone has ever ran the numbers to see at which site the percentages are actually close to what they should be? Which site has the LEAST amount of suck outs? Thank you.

And BTW
I admit when I'm the one sucking out as well. Just now in a $55 SnG, its 3 handed. I had 96o in the BB, SB completes so I check. Flop comes 3TA rainbow. SB checks so I shove, after a second the SB calls with JT. Turn comes 8. River comes 7.

Two hands later he shoves with AJ, I call with AQ. He rivers a Jack.

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02-13-2011 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Dear old Monty.

Has said time and again that he's not going to post here any more but he keeps coming back.

What's amusing is that he seems to think he's 'different' to the other shills. (Of course, he's only doing it ironically ).

The funniest thing is when he loses it and tries to 'trash talk'. (It's a bit like the embarrassing dad trying to dance with his teenage children )
Monteroy is your perfect example of a nitty TAG who has enjoyed the luck of running like Jesus. He takes it as being a good player which we all know to be BS. In addition to Moshman making his already ego driven huge head even bigger. He just uses this thread as a way of self validation. Nothing more.
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02-13-2011 , 12:54 PM
of course its BS, luck or skill has nothing to do with winning online. These sites have to program a few people to have a winning % for the sake of advertising purposes.
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02-13-2011 , 01:07 PM
I'm really not here to complain about it being "rigged" or not. I'm truly just curious to see if anyone has ran the numbers on different poker sites to see which one has the least amount of suck outs. Truly just curious.
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02-13-2011 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stockyhealer
I'm really not here to complain about it being "rigged" or not. I'm truly just curious to see if anyone has ran the numbers on different poker sites to see which one has the least amount of suck outs. Truly just curious.
Google spadebidder
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02-13-2011 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Monteroy is your perfect example of a nitty TAG who has enjoyed the luck of running like Jesus. He takes it as being a good player which we all know to be BS.
I think you'll find he knows enough about sample sizes and variance to be sure that whatever results he's been getting are indicative of considered play rather than pure good fortune.
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02-13-2011 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
of course its BS, luck or skill has nothing to do with winning online. These sites have to program a few people to have a winning % for the sake of advertising purposes.
หลาย riggies ที่นี่ในขณะที่หลงผิดอย่างน้อยมีความสนใจในการสนทนาบ างประเภท คุณจะไม่มีอะไร แต่หมุนรอบไร้ประโยชน์, spewing ออกไร้สาระเหมือนเดิมอีกครั้งและอีกครั้งและอีกครั้ง และอีกครั้ง ถ้าผมต้องสงสัยคนที่นี่เป็นหน้าม้าสำหรับเว็บไซต์ก็จ ะเป็นผู้โพสต์เช่นเดียวกับคุณที่ทำให้โพสต์ในการสนับ สนุนของสายการ riggie ของการคิดที่มีเพื่อที่จะทำให้ขาดความผิดเป็นความคิด ที่ดูเหมือนผิดปกติและสูญเสียความน่าเชื่อถือทั ้งหมด
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02-13-2011 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by stockyhealer
I'm really not here to complain about it being "rigged" or not. I'm truly just curious to see if anyone has ran the numbers on different poker sites to see which one has the least amount of suck outs. Truly just curious.
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02-13-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Presumably you are one of the mental midgets who post in this thread using a gimmick account and, having got fed up with being shown up for the jackass you are, decided to come in and pompously berate those who prevent you from spouting your idiocy without critical comment.
Seems as though I overestimated you. You're right where you belong.

I took the liberty of creating a template for you to participate in the Earth is Flat forum:

"You have no proof that the earth is flat. You're just another idiot flattie. I, on the other hand am cool because I can argue that the earth is round while insulting you."

Feel free to repeat over and over until you feel good about yourself.
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02-13-2011 , 03:27 PM
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of course its BS, luck or skill has nothing to do with winning online. These sites have to program a few people to have a winning % for the sake of advertising purposes.
Dude - you really need to work on the riggie/gimmick material or else you are going to be left behind.


I did one post and I got a racist and an OCD shill to join forces for a moment before they revert to calling each other ******s and Indian supporters again.

In contrast you post some weird predetermined destiny thing that even riggies tend to avoid and all you will get is a google translator reply from the freak shill.


You have done well shilling for me in the past so I am trying to help you with your efforts here, so in future take a few moments before posting and make every post count in terms of generating a reaction and you too can have fun with shills, riggies and the xenophobes all at the same time.

All the best.
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02-13-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wharfratg
"You have no proof that the earth is flat. You're just another idiot flattie. I, on the other hand am cool because I can argue that the earth is round while insulting you."
Come on, tell us the name of the gimmick account you came on this thread with so that we can all have a good laugh at your idiocy.

It's typical of a rigtard that they cannot think things through to the extent that it will become clear to them that suddenly jumping into an age old thread and immediately insulting one side will out them as a prior poster in said thread who has come a cropper under another name.
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02-13-2011 , 03:34 PM
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Let me ask you: when you're not studying the strat threads, what are your browsing habits on 2+2 (or any other internet forum for that matter)? My guess is you use it mainly for procrastination, or boredom relief. You probably have a certain time that you tell yourself you're going to do it. And you probably don't have a goal of how many threads you're going to read- respond to. My guess is you probably also click on your subscribed threads first, before going to look for new threads.

Do you get my point?
I understand your point and it is a good one. I don't subscribe to this thread but I think it could have a) superior entertainment value; and b) occasional interesting information.

However, the few times I've browsed it I just get bogged down with Wiki getting into a personal battle with virtually every poster. In effect, he hijacks the thread by berating anyone who might think online poker might have manipulation issues.

If that is the case, just lock the thread. It's overly tedious to have to wade through all of his personal battles even if his comments are ignored.

Anyway, it just goes to show that someone with a stronger substantive argument can still be the idiot.
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02-13-2011 , 03:39 PM
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It's typical of a rigtard that they cannot think things through to the extent that it will become clear to them that suddenly jumping into an age old thread and immediately insulting one side will out them as a prior poster in said thread who has come a cropper under another name.
I'm not insulting one side--my comments are directed to you specifically. I can try to spoon-feed you but based on your initial comments I don't think you get it.

Carry on, thread captain.
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02-13-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wharfratg
I understand your point and it is a good one. I don't subscribe to this thread but I think it could have a) superior entertainment value; and b) occasional interesting information.

However, the few times I've browsed it I just get bogged down with Wiki getting into a personal battle with virtually every poster. In effect, he hijacks the thread by berating anyone who might think online poker might have manipulation issues.

If that is the case, just lock the thread. It's overly tedious to have to wade through all of his personal battles even if his comments are ignored.

Anyway, it just goes to show that someone with a stronger substantive argument can still be the idiot.
LOL, you still haven't told us the name of the gimmick account you came in here with and got you sent away with your tail between your legs.

Superfish?
PicachuDemolisher?
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02-13-2011 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wharfratg
I understand your point and it is a good one. I don't subscribe to this thread but I think it could have a) superior entertainment value; and b) occasional interesting information.

However, the few times I've browsed it I just get bogged down with Wiki getting into a personal battle with virtually every poster. In effect, he hijacks the thread by berating anyone who might think online poker might have manipulation issues.

If that is the case, just lock the thread. It's overly tedious to have to wade through all of his personal battles even if his comments are ignored.

Anyway, it just goes to show that someone with a stronger substantive argument can still be the idiot.
wiki who?
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02-13-2011 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wharfratg
I'm not insulting one side--my comments are directed to you specifically. I can try to spoon-feed you but based on your initial comments I don't think you get it.

Carry on, thread captain.
C'mon, tell us the name of your gimmick.

People don't just wonder in here and attack for no reason.

You've already outed yourself - let's all have a laugh.
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02-13-2011 , 03:49 PM
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C'mon, tell us the name of your gimmick.

People don't just wonder in here and attack for no reason.

You've already outed yourself - let's all have a laugh.
My gimmick account is Nine11Truth. Guess you busted me.
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