why r u so steaming? anyhow, that isnt was my intention. but u realy tried to insult me. u dont have any answers to my arguements so u prefer to insult me? this is very unappropriate. its ok to lose a debate u dont have to be so angry.

any how i am sorry if i make u uncomfortable.

anyone else have comments to my arguements (agree or disagree)

Dear Internet,

Recently I found that my tournament ROI was 8.9% above luck adjusted expectation after 23K hands. I concluded that I must be rigged. After some soul-searching, I contacted FT support and asked that $51.38 USD be debited from my account and deposited equally among 5000 or so of their unluckiest customers. Let me know if you have not yet received your transfer.

Best Regards,
SJ

Hey, What? ook, let me try to help you out a little. First of all, dont try to have an honest disscussion on this site. Youre talking to either people who have an interest in keeping people depositing on these rigged sites(site promoters), dreamers, jerks or just plain ignorant. #1. These sites are not regulated, they can and do whatever they want. They are ALL rigged on one way or another.Take this from someone who has played on them for years and knows the truth. Suggestion, go to another forum, youre wasting your time here, you will NOT hear the truth, and will just get frustrated. Hopes this helps.

Hi TheTruth5,

Welcome back! I thought you'd left the thread, and that really disappointed me, because you otherwise seem like such a decent and level headed chap!

I was hoping to have an honest conversation with you, but unfortunately you haven't provided a link to even one YouTube video that you thought was good/credible. Why is that?

I don't understand what's causing the problem here.

Eagerly awaiting your YouTube link,
Michael

Most of them are credible. Go look. Not going to have a discussion with you though, sorry.

It's just not true to say that the Isle of Man has no regulations on anything. That's just plain false - their laws are largely very similar to England.

That's the same standard that applies in the Isle of Man.

Hi TheTruth5,

Thanks for your reply. Can you please point out just one that is credible?

I have a sneaking suspicion that you know that there aren't any credible videos, so that's why you're not providing a link. Is that true?

regards,
Michael

You know they are credible, but wont admit it, so im not going to waste my time talking to you about it.

TheTruth5,

Which one do you think is credible?

Please provide a link soon!

I wish you two would just get a room!

Josem,

They are obviously all credible or youtube would not allow them on the site. Unlike the waka waka gaming commission, youtube has very high standards of regulation and would never allow unsubstantiated claims to be perpetrated in video form on their fair site.

FULL TILT SUCKS!

I have never seen so many 1 and 2 outter suck outs on Full Tilt
before..

.. 86 beating AA

.. Flush Draws that always get there

etc.

It happens so much I can Feel it in my stomach
as the cards are flopping?

Any one else.




I know www.FullTilt.com says its not rigged but dam?

Anyone else have thoughts on Full Tilt?

are you kidding. the most rigged up pile of garbage on the internet.

Many of the riggies here, while misguided, at least are interested in some kind of dialogue. You are nothing but a useless troll, spewing out the same nonsense again and again and again and again. If I were to suspect anyone here to be a shill for the sites, it would be the posters like you who make posts in support of the riggie line of thinking that are so inane as to make the idea seem preposterous and lose all credibility.

not to bright, are you. you want me to have a dialogue with a bunch of rigged online poker site promoters. come on, dude. i'm against the scum who promote this scam, not for it.

Yeah continued to show your stupidity publicly, like everyone else who don't believe you or stand against your stupid accusation without any evidence are all poker site promoters Rofl

Yeah continued to dig your own hole!

I read a little of this thread... the back and forth between a guy named "the truth" something or other and a guy named "wiki" and a bunch of his buddies... a bunch of blather although it looked like "the Truth" was getting kicked in the teeth a little bit.

he kept saying he had put numbers and graphs up to prove his point and wasn't going to do it again... but the thing was he couldn't point to where he ever did it.

anyway, this sort of thing is impossible to prove or disprove i suppose by "running the numbers" because you couldn't possibly run them all.

Here is what I know.

Fulltilt poker is owned by some of the same people that play on their site. "the fulltilt pros"

they OWN THE WEBSITE and they PLAY UNREGULATEDon that same site

I'll give Howard L. some credit and say that he is 1/4 as smart as he thinks he is. I know every idiot in town is going to take some bricks off of the stack when the stack is 10 miles tall. I'm certain the guy that owns the brickyard is going to take some, especially since no one is looking.

I know that letting the ((((((fish)))))) suck out does two things....

1. it increases the rake for the site. (an all in with A, rag, that hits that rag the majority of the time is good for the rake)

2. it keeps the ((((((fish)))))) in the game because they keep some of their money.

the regular who knows it was a fluke is going to come back because he knows the odds are (should be) it won't happen next time.


You pompous jackarses who think its on the up and up are not only ignorant, You are BLIND.

Because this ain't real cards folks.


Its a money making machine for the people who own it (who also play on the UNREGULATED SITE)


if you could steal a million bucks and there was no possible way you would get caught and the VICTIM WOULD NEVER KNOW, would you?

damn right you would.

and they would too.


edit: no numbers to back it up. not gonna try. I have common sense and thats enough for me. Its strictly entertainment for me. thats why i come back.

Many of the riggies here, while misguided, at least are interested in some kind of dialogue. You are nothing but a useless troll, spewing out the same nonsense again and again and again and again. If I were to suspect anyone here to be a shill for the sites, it would be the posters like you who make posts in support of the riggie line of thinking that are so inane as to make the idea seem preposterous and lose all credibility.

Hi TheTruth5!

Unfortunately, this is another post of yours that doesn't have a link to a YouTube video that you think is good/credible.

We want to have the benefit of your expertise on this matter, so please ensure that your next post does have a link to a YouTube video that you think is good/credible.

Thanks in advance!

WOW. Thanks for the post. Sure was refreshing to hear the truth from a real player. (Notice how the site promoters, dreamers and dorks are ignoring you).
Anyway, thanks again, would be nice to say whatever else you know, really like to see people save their money and not give it to the scum who run these rigged sites.

Hey, TheTruth, I just wanted to say that I'm finally convinced. I'd always win at the casino but never online, and I wondered why. It's your arguments that have brought me to the conclusion that it's definitely rigged. Thanks.

I wasn't meaning this was my specific belief or situation, I was just putting it forward as a reason why someone might keep playing on a site they believe to be rigged.

At the end of the day, making money would be more important to some people than getting a fair game, so if you believed a site to be unfair but the standard there was a lot lower than at another site you believed to be fair, then you may decide you could make more money at the unfair site and choose to keep playing there.

You said you 'have to be winning less' at an unfair site, simply because it is unfair. That isn't strictly true as the standard of players is also a deciding factor in how much you are winning.

If this is the case and you would steal form someone not looking if you wouldn't get caught. You shouldn't have any problem with them if they rig it.

Hi TheTruth5,

Unfortunately, this is yet another post without a link to a good/credible YouTube video.

Can you please fix that? I don't think this should be hard at all.

I just wish you weren't so sad that you have to keep popping in here and making snarky comments when the thread is obviously of no interest to you.

Still, never mind, you'll probably discover girls right around now.