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02-01-2011 , 10:33 PM
You know you kind of helped verify that guys 200 same size belief structure with your data, not that he will ever act on it for real money. If I was a riggie or a gimmick I would be all over those 200 hands of boomswitch followed by the doomswitch!
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02-01-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Here's the results from my most recent Stars deposit:




I guess if we're going by the massive ~200 hand samples right at the beginning, I ran pretty well. It'd be a pretty lame boomswitch to only last 30 minutes or so, though.
You obviously "forgot" to mention the withdrawal you made after 200 hands didn't you?
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02-01-2011 , 11:10 PM
where do transfers between accounts fall into this boomswitch/doomswitch theory?
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02-02-2011 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
enough already! why come in here with these facts that EVERYONE who has played online poker has dealt with. only response will get on this site are idiotic, sarcastic remarks like the ones you received. You know , i know and others know this happens. Why try to convince the dreamers and site promoters, its not going to happen. waste of time.
why do you respond to his garph and not my garph? ur hurting my feelings
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02-02-2011 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by subs
where do transfers between accounts fall into this boomswitch/doomswitch theory?
That depends on who you transfer to. If its a loosing player boom, if its a winner doom.
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02-02-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
why do you respond to his garph and not my garph? ur hurting my feelings
well, going by your posts, combined with the inability to spell graph correctly, i really do not see any need for comments. You've done enough already.
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02-02-2011 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
well, going by your posts, combined with the inability to spell graph correctly, i really do not see any need for comments. You've done enough already.
The technical term is garph. How do you not know that?
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02-03-2011 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
well, going by your posts, combined with the inability to spell graph correctly, i really do not see any need for comments. You've done enough already.
good deal dodgy dodgerton, this is the general response I expected (no response)

that's called pwnage imo
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02-03-2011 , 01:05 AM
Early in this thread, it was stated that the sample size and seeing all of the cards was not necessary to "prove" a site was "rigged". So let's take a normal 4-5 hour MTT tournament and a normal SNG tournament.

If the MTT plays 400 hands and the SNG averages 100 hands, what would be the expected results and the standard deviation for

1. Losing when ahead 75/25
2. Losing when 66/33
3. Losing to a 1-3 outer

I am also curious why people claim you don't need to everyone's hole cards. Why won't the lack of information significantly skew the results to make them unreliable?
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02-03-2011 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
You Dreamers/shills come on here....where is the proof ...then when somebody comes 4th u belittle them
All The Very Best!
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Originally Posted by Josem
OK then, 'cause I'm a sucker for this stuff.

Here are two independent studies that prove random distributions:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.g...7dc4a7f?hl=en&

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.g...7010a4879f4c6b

Here's the announcement by Cigital that they had analysed the source code and found it to be entirely in order:

http://www.cigital.com/news/?pg=art&artid=86
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02-03-2011 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruth5
... with the inability to spell graph correctly...
Woosh!

(Or should I say; 'woohs'?)
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02-03-2011 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
I am also curious why people claim you don't need to everyone's hole cards. Why won't the lack of information significantly skew the results to make them unreliable?
Because there is an expectation, from an unrigged deck, that the hole cards that you do see (at showdown) will have a particular distribution.

If they were rigging the deal it would skew this distribution.

There is also the rather obvious fact that anyone can check their own hole cards and getting a distribution of those is extremely easy. If they were being rigged we would have hundreds, if not thousands, of people screaming 'fixed'.

WARNING: Riggies with a nervous disposition should not view below this point

Spoiler:
With Evidence!
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02-03-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
I am also curious why people claim you don't need to everyone's hole cards. Why won't the lack of information significantly skew the results to make them unreliable?
Because the sample size required, and the information required, will vary according to your results.

So, for example, if your theory is "your hole card distribution is not fair" then you would need your hole cards.

If your theory is "the community cards are not fair" then you need the community cards... and so on.

If, in fact, your hole card distribution is fair, and the community card distribution is fair, then, therefore, everything must be fair.

Does that make sense?
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02-03-2011 , 01:25 PM
I need some advise from a riggie, TT5 would be fine.

My debit card registered to my poker account was due to expire and I needed to update it.
For some reason they will only allow you to change the registered card when your account is empty (must be a riggie theory in that somewhere).
My only option was to withdraw all funds to the card that was about to expire, register the new card, and the deposit the whole amount back again.

Now I've withdrawn but also deposited. Am I doomswitched or boomswitched?

I would like to know for sure before I start playing again.
Your earliest response, as experts in this matter, would be appreciated as it's keeping me awake at night worrying which will have happened.
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02-03-2011 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
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And once again another shill belives this!
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02-03-2011 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
And once again another shill belives this!
What part of what he said was incorrect in your opinion?
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02-03-2011 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
And once again another shill belives this!
It is really weird how you complain about people belitting others and ask for proof. I provide proof, and your response is to belittle others.

I don't understand why you would do this.

Let's make the discussion about the facts/issues of the situation, not the personalities/people.

Would you agree to this?
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02-03-2011 , 09:15 PM
don't know about full tilt
But another popular sites soft ware is not wright.
Table title Grano FL $0.05/$0.10 Game # 57065808983 !
It apeers that your soft ware has some problems.
The game Quoted above paid the wrong player whom was (NOT) the winner.
Board J A A 5 5 .
Its heads up (player oldbur) has 4 4.
(player Rumbling 25) has K T not suited.
Rumbling 25 wins ??????????????????
yours Tobbey
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02-03-2011 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobbey
don't know about full tilt
But another popular sites soft ware is not wright.
Table title Grano FL $0.05/$0.10 Game # 57065808983 !
It apeers that your soft ware has some problems.
The game Quoted above paid the wrong player whom was (NOT) the winner.
Board J A A 5 5 .
Its heads up (player oldbur) has 4 4.
(player Rumbling 25) has K T not suited.
Rumbling 25 wins ??????????????????
yours Tobbey
Piece of advice: Don't try playing Omaha
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02-03-2011 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobbey
don't know about full tilt
But another popular sites soft ware is not wright.
Table title Grano FL $0.05/$0.10 Game # 57065808983 !
It apeers that your soft ware has some problems.
The game Quoted above paid the wrong player whom was (NOT) the winner.
Board J A A 5 5 .
Its heads up (player oldbur) has 4 4.
(player Rumbling 25) has K T not suited.
Rumbling 25 wins ??????????????????
yours Tobbey
Rumbling has the best hand there.
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02-03-2011 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobbey
don't know about full tilt
But another popular sites soft ware is not wright.
Table title Grano FL $0.05/$0.10 Game # 57065808983 !
It apeers that your soft ware has some problems.
The game Quoted above paid the wrong player whom was (NOT) the winner.
Board J A A 5 5 .
Its heads up (player oldbur) has 4 4.
(player Rumbling 25) has K T not suited.
Rumbling 25 wins ??????????????????
yours Tobbey
AA55K > the board (which oldbur was playing). His 4's were counterfitted by the two over-pairs on the board.
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02-03-2011 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobbey
don't know about full tilt
But another popular sites soft ware is not wright.
Table title Grano FL $0.05/$0.10 Game # 57065808983 !
It apeers that your soft ware has some problems.
The game Quoted above paid the wrong player whom was (NOT) the winner.
Board J A A 5 5 .
Its heads up (player oldbur) has 4 4.
(player Rumbling 25) has K T not suited.
Rumbling 25 wins ??????????????????
yours Tobbey
[] games are dead
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02-03-2011 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
Rumbling has the best hand there.
Since when does 2 pair beat 3 pair, shill?
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02-03-2011 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Since when does 2 pair beat 3 pair, shill?
When the two pairs are the same ... like AA and AA

Last edited by obviously.bogus; 02-03-2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason: LDO :p Unless the 3 pair is like K:club:K:spade: K:diamond:K:heart: K:club:K:heart:
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02-04-2011 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by obviously.bogus
When the two pairs are the same ... like AA and AA


Excellent!
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