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Old 04-26-2009, 05:48 AM   #2826
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:50 AM   #2827
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About callin a 3 way all in for that price? Your wrong. So this is how you play? You justify this? I could light this thread up over and over with hand histories....I'll save the trouble, but I encourage others to do so...
The 10 9 guy knows its rigged and the big stack always wins in a tourney to speed things along.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:53 AM   #2828
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Its beyond ****en bull****. When you can make side bets with someone live how ****en rigged it is.

KK, Buddy is all happy. I'm telling you, you are losing with this hand no matter what. Gets one raiser, shoves, call.

vs 66, Don't worry I bet that 6 comes.

Flop K6J, Oh you think still won, I bet a river 6 comes.

Yup Quads.

Told you should haved folded your Kings.

**** you PS.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:24 AM   #2829
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Thats why i fold AA KK AK AQs preflop, they always lose.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:31 AM   #2830
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Its beyond ****en bull****. When you can make side bets with someone live how ****en rigged it is.

KK, Buddy is all happy. I'm telling you, you are losing with this hand no matter what. Gets one raiser, shoves, call.

vs 66, Don't worry I bet that 6 comes.

Flop K6J, Oh you think still won, I bet a river 6 comes.

Yup Quads.

Told you should haved folded your Kings.

**** you PS.
Wow, sucks for you and your friend. KK is my third biggest winning hand.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:43 AM   #2831
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Its beyond ****en bull****. When you can make side bets with someone live how ****en rigged it is.

KK, Buddy is all happy. I'm telling you, you are losing with this hand no matter what. Gets one raiser, shoves, call.

vs 66, Don't worry I bet that 6 comes.

Flop K6J, Oh you think still won, I bet a river 6 comes.

Yup Quads.

Told you should haved folded your Kings.

**** you PS.
I actually did this to someone the other day on JokerStars after not playing there for like a month. It was so obvious I was on a boomswitch. I literally floped a set or made a big hand every time for a couple of hours and out of the 4 tourneys I played I was. 27th out of 360. 11th out of 90. 7th out of 90 and 12th out of 90. Seriously what are the odds of making the money in all 4 tourneys consecutively. TY for the boomswitch PS I ll be back next month.

Mine was 77 vs KK

K 7 J all in on flop

Turn x

River 7.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:09 AM   #2832
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I could just win more money doing side bets than actually playing BS poker.

JJ

Flop KJ5

Looks good right...not

vs aq now

$100 river 10, ten ten ten ten

Yup, thanks for coming out and the $100.

So random.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:40 AM   #2833
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I could just win more money doing side bets than actually playing BS poker.

JJ

Flop KJ5

Looks good right...not

vs aq now

$100 river 10, ten ten ten ten

Yup, thanks for coming out and the $100.

So random.
I saw that few times .. Not exactly the same hand, but similar. Set vs gutshot + 2 overs. And i think that you will see that more than one time in your poker career . I had a downswing of 2 motnhs or so now. It looks like i do better now. And i know how all that bst feels . Past 2 months my EV was growing, but my wining graph keeped in the same position. It was so brutal.
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Old 04-26-2009, 10:14 AM   #2834
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I could just win more money doing side bets than actually playing BS poker.

JJ

Flop KJ5

Looks good right...not

vs aq now

$100 river 10, ten ten ten ten

Yup, thanks for coming out and the $100.

So random.
JJ vs. AQ - 54%/46% preflop (virtual coin flip).
After the straight draw flopped AQ is 15% to win, or 33% to win if he also had a flush draw.

So at worst you lost a 1 in 6.5. If the money went in preflop then you lost a coinflip.

Cue violins.
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Old 04-26-2009, 11:49 AM   #2835
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I could just win more money doing side bets than actually playing BS poker.
Go for it!

Or learn enough that your play is no longer BS.
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:01 PM   #2836
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Dude, you were the underdog to a QQ and you are complaining because the QQ didn't even win. The third player is almost irrelevant to the hand from your standpoint, you got all in with the worst hand and you lost.

Move up to $500/$1K and play with folks who would never call two all-ins with T9s one seat from the bubble. You won't win, but you won't have that happen either. But you should welcome players like that, not avoid them.

I'm sorry I just don't have any sympathy for your non-bad-beat story.
Woa...uhh who said I was looking for sympathy? I was a coin flip with the QQ first of all, second of all I got all in with the worst hand and lost? AK, QQ, 910(b/c it's suited he has extra 2-4 percent? correct?) of all those hands you pick ak as the worst hand? Exactly my point, in a normal poker environment you would embrace such loose, donkey play. Appearantly there is something wrong. I got all in with a coin flip situation vs QQ, what justifies the 910? If the QQ would of beat me, you think I'd come here and post the hand history or think online poker is rigged? It's how I keep getting beat over and over under "odd" circumstances.
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:09 PM   #2837
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Spade? Do you even play poker? What the hell is wrong with you? I think I've just processed what you tried to claim? AK, vs QQ vs 910(Sooooottttteeeed!) 3 handed all in. AK is the worst hand, I'm a donkey for going all in vs QQ and 910, I should of lost to the QQ and when I didn't, thank god the 910 was there to deal me justice for playing like a mule. I think you've just been deamed uncredible and dellusional.
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:31 PM   #2838
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Woa...uhh who said I was looking for sympathy?... Appearantly there is something wrong. I got all in with a coin flip situation vs QQ, what justifies the 910?
If you're not looking for sympathy, what are you looking for? People to say "yeah man its so rigged" presumably but I dont understand why this would make you feel any better if you truly believe it is rigged. The only thing that would make you feel better is to stop playing or provide proof (and when i say "proof", all i really mean is any meaningful data whatsoever rather than selected hands that suit your ranting)


What "justifies" the T9? Any number of things, you tell me. Are you really bad? Is he really bad? What range of hands do you think he should have been putting you on? What range of hands should he have been putting the other guy on? What range of hands might he think you put him on after he called the original raise? Is he on tilt? Has he got to take a dump? Is he employed by the site?

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Old 04-26-2009, 01:49 PM   #2839
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If you're not looking for sympathy, what are you looking for? People to say "yeah man its so rigged" presumably but I dont understand why this would make you feel any better if you truly believe it is rigged. The only thing that would make you feel better is to stop playing or provide proof (and when i say "proof", all i really mean is any meaningful data whatsoever rather than selected hands that suit your ranting)


What "justifies" the T9? Any number of things, you tell me. Are you really bad? Is he really bad? What range of hands do you think he should have been putting you on? What range of hands should he have been putting the other guy on? What range of hands might he think you put him on after he called the original raise? Is he on tilt? Has he got to take a dump? Is he employed by the site?
Uh, this isn't day 1 of this thread? Please refer back to page one.
And what the hell does that have to do with anything? Some dumbass questions? Regaurdless computers don't solve all of our problems, our minds created the computers and the software....identifying problems and solving them is what humans do best (or rigtards....)
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #2840
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Spade? Do you even play poker? What the hell is wrong with you? I think I've just processed what you tried to claim? AK, vs QQ vs 910(Sooooottttteeeed!) 3 handed all in. AK is the worst hand, I'm a donkey for going all in vs QQ and 910, I should of lost to the QQ and when I didn't, thank god the 910 was there to deal me justice for playing like a mule. I think you've just been deamed uncredible and dellusional.
You and the QQ were all in first, before the T9 called and whether he came in or not. You were a 57/43 underdog to the QQ, which is bit outside of what most people call a coin flip (generally up to 5%-7% edge instead of 14% edge). Yes, I know some people always call 2 overcards vs a pair a "coin flip" but the other point isn't debatable.
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:13 PM   #2841
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Player Statistic Result
Player 1 %Win 19.44%
%Tie 0.33%
Odds 4.12 to 1
Player 2 %Win 37.20%
%Tie 0.33%
Odds 1.68 to 1
Player 3 %Win 43.03%
%Tie 0.33%
Odds 1.32 to 1
Player one has 910
Player two has AK
Player three has QQ
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:36 PM   #2842
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Uh, this isn't day 1 of this thread? Please refer back to page one.
And what the hell does that have to do with anything? Some dumbass questions? Regaurdless computers don't solve all of our problems, our minds created the computers and the software....identifying problems and solving them is what humans do best (or rigtards....)
You explained on page 1 why you bothered to post those meaningless hands all this time later? I must go and check...

You asked what "justified" the T9 which i assume meant you didnt understand why he called and wanted somebody to explain it to you. Well, i gave you a list of "dumbass" questions to help you realise there are plenty of reasons he may have called.

If i have misunderstood what the hell you meant it's because you rigtards make no sense as you dont really know what you are saying or why you saying it.

You ask "what the hell does that have to do with anything?". Well, if you understand that players make bad calls all the time and will sometimes win when they do, you might realise that your question would be a good reply to every single hand you post in isolation.
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:45 PM   #2843
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Player Statistic Result
Player 1 %Win 19.44%
%Tie 0.33%
Odds 4.12 to 1
Player 2 %Win 37.20%
%Tie 0.33%
Odds 1.68 to 1
Player 3 %Win 43.03%
%Tie 0.33%
Odds 1.32 to 1
Player one has 910
Player two has AK
Player three has QQ
So not zero then? Is this supposed to prove the riggedness? Educate us on hand value? Prove what a bad call it was?
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:04 PM   #2844
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I seriously can't even ****en playing poker on these ****en sites anymore.

How many two outers can you river over and over again in a row

Its beyond ****en probability.

**** you again PS.

These ****en players suck so ****en bad too and have to be saved over and over again. **** you.

Only way to keep these pieces of **** coming back.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:50 PM   #2845
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Ah the crusaders are back...What do you guys get in return for shilling this site? That's a "dumbass" question I ask myself over and over again. I can't wait till the overturn the UIGEA, then we'll start comparing stats...
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So not zero then? Is this supposed to prove the riggedness? Educate us on hand value? Prove what a bad call it was?
That was a response to an idiot just like yourself, no wonder you couldn't relate. Again trying reading what's going on in the thread before you post something stupid again please. I'm curious as to what the readers that don't post anything think?
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I seriously can't even ****en playing poker on these ****en sites anymore.

How many two outers can you river over and over again in a row

Its beyond ****en probability.

**** you again PS.

These ****en players suck so ****en bad too and have to be saved over and over again. **** you.

Only way to keep these pieces of **** coming back.
I'd love to see your PT3 or HEM stats showing this happening. Just absolutely love it.
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Ah the crusaders are back...What do you guys get in return for shilling this site?
What do you get for calling anyone who disagrees with you a shill? And now we're 2+2 shills? I thought we were shills for the poker sites?
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That was a response to an idiot just like yourself, no wonder you couldn't relate. Again trying reading what's going on in the thread before you post something stupid again please.
Where did you explain what your point was with posting the odds on that hand? Are we all supposed to be stunned and amazed that a 1 in 5 chance happened?
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:28 PM   #2848
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Ah the crusaders are back...What do you guys get in return for shilling this site? That's a "dumbass" question I ask myself over and over again. I can't wait till the overturn the UIGEA, then we'll start comparing stats...
How much do the rigtards compensate you for shilling for them?
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:25 PM   #2849
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Wow I've really been missing out by not reading the ****** containment thread. Keep up the fantastic work gentlemen!
I really hate seeing "******" and "tard" thrown around all the time. It's as offensive to me as some racist slurs are to others.

I have to admit, though, that this one was funny.
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The RNG will have an output buffer that presents a number that can be read by the processor. That number will change very rapidly - much fater than the processor reads the numbers.

At any point where a process withing the server need a random number it then simply reads the current state of the RNG.

So it might do something like:

Read x = RNG

Suit = x % 4

Read x = RNG

Rank = x % 13

(% is the modulus operator).

It now has a random card suit and rank in the appropriate variables and must check that that card has not already been used from the logical deck if it has it must repeat the process, if not the hand is marked as used in the current deck and 'dealt'.
This seems extremely inefficient to me. Why not simply set up an array containing the integers 1-52 in order, then use the RNG to shuffle it. No need to have the program "remember" whether a card had been used or not -- just peel them off the shuffled virtual deck, one at a time, as if you're dealing a real deck of cards.
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