So that's not an all in EV chart?

In my opinion there are only 2 possible reasons why a pokersite should rigg the game.

1. actiongames to increase the potsize and the rake, that would be noticed by regular players.

2. Boom and doom for new players that havent played for a while and just make a new deposit. They have more fun to play, redeposit after the doom and you get more fresh money into the pokereconomy
Regulars would NOT notice something, long term its random, you only have a slightly better run at the beginning....

But anyone is free in his decision to trust or to not trust..to play or better have other hobbies. Poker is not so much fun that it is worth to pay 20-30$ / hour for low stakes. You have to beat the system to make it worth the time.

APPLYING TO.............POKER STARS?, FULLTILT?
come on now, which one do you work for?

Even if you are a gimmick, thank you for making my point about what true paranoia is like to the fellow you quoted. Perhaps you will scare him straight (for fear of becoming a genuine version of you) better than I can logic/common sense him to reason.

Regarding my shilldom, I have already made it clear that I am willing to pretend to work for whatever site riggies want to believe at whatever rate they want to make up, so pick a site and a rate and post it and I will say "sure, that is what I make shilling the site in the riggie thread."

After that you can keep quoting the exact rate and site as proof as much as you like as that will greatly amuse me.

I am offering to agree to whatever you like with your shill beliefs, are you going to have what it takes to actually put specifics to your beliefs in that? Riggies hate specifics so this will be a fun battle of forces at work. I expect you will simply ignore it as you do all the time when paranoid slogans get replaces by specifics (even specifics about your future paranoid slogans).

How about it gimmick/riggie? Put a room and a set salary in this thread and I will agree to it, and probably other s"shills" will as well (though I do expect to get a higher rate of pay...)

All the best.

These are two perfect examples of why the software is rigged. Action games to increase pot size are obvious and noticed, but dreamers dont want to believe it. Example #2 is the norm at all sites, just ask anybody whos played online(with the exception of the dreamers and site promoters).

Plus, youre not going to beat the system at this time being a u.s. player if that is the case in your situation.

ok now, paid site promoter monteroy and the dreamer Wiki, your turn.

Monteroy, let me try this again, its really not that hard of a question. You say you have math nuts applying all the time who play small stakes poker. Apply to whom?

Inappropriate to post links to other sites at twoplustwo, but some people use enough common sense to use google to for instance google my user name to get a better idea of what it might be about.

Also, if you read banonline's hate posts toward me, he does a good job of shilling for us without intending to do it.

Regarding your faith in action hands, you should look over this thread and see when I posted a very detailed theory of "non action hands" which would actually generate a site more rake and likely be hidden from detection. Obviously nothing can get around the "what about the people who know telling the truth" scenario, but riggies ignore that anyway.

A few of the other shills actually further developed my theory and we did show how a site like stars could make a few million or so per year from the type of "rig" I suggested, but it was hardly worth the risk even for that. They make more than that on rake on a typical Sunday just from a few MTTs they run.

If I posted my theory under a gimmick account you and other riggies would have totally loved it because it had depth and business acumen within it and it did make sense if that type of crime was going to happen. The numbers made it pointless to commit as a crime (too small for large rooms to do and tiny rooms will just steal players money by not letting cash outs happen).

Action hands have been shown to lower the house rake here and elsewhere through the combination of the time they take and the fact that they create a spike in cash flow from one player to another when the optimal rake is achieved with lower spikes in that regard. Kind of funny that more riggies cling to action hands as a rig when non action hands (2-3 players see the flop, and all fold to a continuation bet) as a rig would be far more practical to pull off and lucrative.

Guess riggies look at the world backwards.

Thanks for helping shill what I do as well! I will double your shill salary as a result

All the best.

exactly how i feel.
I played FT and another software at the same time same stakes and same style of play. players played totally oppositte on either site. on ft its like they know calling 810 all in on 673 flops bring 9 on river because it does. its like whoever calls there hands turns into money. I get 4bet preflop so i shove all in AK suited k 9 off calls flop 998 im like get the fuq outta here. Then flop 10J3 i got 10 10 10. Ak shoves all in 200 bucks into a 40 dollar pot and turns the nuts im like get fuqn real ....fuq FT riggathon

And yet you continue to play there.

Presumably this is you trying to make your case to the other players playing there?

Last night I had a dream.

I dreamed that TheTruth5 had got a clue.

Then I woke up.

I googled Monteroy, and am quessing you are the guy at stars?? Maybe the poker blog, too? Anyway, copied this post, and the paragraph in bold probably sums up your success.

WIKI, come clean. You HAVE to be chanchp/electricldylnd from covers who got banned, right?
Nobody else could so amazingly ignorant to what goes on with these online sites.

Bolded part of quote:They let you win some then lose some.

And tell us, Mr MegaBrain, how do you believe this differs from bricks and mortar poker?

There are hundreds of thousands of people playing regularly on 'these sites'.

Only a complete moron would continue to do that if they believed what you claim.

So, does that mean that the hundreds of thousands of regular poker players are 'amazingly ignorant'? Or are they complete morons?

It must be one of the other.

Please tell us which.

So if it's that simple, start shoving with your 2 outers and ship the money.

You're like the 400th person in this thread to have figured out this money making scheme and not take advantage of it.

actually i dont play cash online anymore its fuqn rigged . full tilts shufflin after dealing a flop?? RIGGGGGGGGED

All the big sites/networks use stochastic temporal information as part of their randomisation techniques.

You are just as affected by the previous actions of other players if the deal is done in one go as if it is done in several stages.

Obsessing about at exactly which point a particular card is decided is nothing more than primitive, unreasoned, superstition.

Letting such concerns inform your playing decisions is little (if anything) short of moronic.

Sure there are plenty players that beat the system but i have my doubt that there are hundreds of thousands regulars...its more hundred of thousands that play weekly / monthly for entertainmant and pay a few $ for that hobby..and also a few hundreds of thousand in there twenties that dream from easy money..but the most fail to beat the system for significant money.

I have my doubt that more than 100 000 make 100 K and more with poker.

^^^ i know players in WA that make 1k a week playing live FIXED LIMIT poker cant say the same about online

Love how you left out the second sentence, which is the key to the whole thing. You truly are the dreamers dreamer.
And all those people who play, and the numbers are declining daily, are newbies or dreamers like yourself.

i have had highest 31 FULL buy ins on a table after like 12 hours sitting. i still thik its riggeed

Am i correct here:

wiki=ftp rep
monteroy-ps rep
?

AGREED

Guess we are reaching the end of your gimmick account if you are going to quote me and change what I said without even indicating you changed it.

That's a lame tactic even for a riggie. Even you hated it when Wiki did it to you (which granted he does all the time)

I already made you a challenge about my shill career, one that would let you define that world however you liked, however it required you to be specific (and we all know how much riggies love specifics). I see you ignored it as I predicted.