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Old 04-24-2009, 08:22 PM   #2776
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

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Why would they stop RNG ???? Before numbers gets converted into hands, they go throu several components. Those componets are the ones who has to be rigged not RNG. RNG is just RNG. Machine whitch generates numbers, there are planty of other factors that determines the final outcome. Anyway, have fun.
You are changing the subject, obviously I dont know how it ccan be technically, but I know it can. Like I dont how make Pokr tracker software possible, but I know its possible. Im not talking about how it can be done, but why it would be done and how it would not be detectable.

Again, the site can from time to time make the better cards lose the worse cards more often than expected so they win more rake, obviously in all in situations in the pre flop, flop or turn. If there is no audit as it was said in the previous posts why wouldnt the sites do that?
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:24 PM   #2777
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Also, as has been discussed many times, to conceal this statistically they have to play an infinite game of musical chairs to give the cards to someone that they took from someone else, or vice versa (according to the massive profiling database referred to). This becomes logistically impossible in short order, hence rigging is always going to be detectable.
Why track so meny why not undetactable? (as pottriper)...The top 20% of players(as in regards to rake) provide how much liquidity to said site..Are you not going to look after your investments

Why just Juicing RNGS why not take advantage of currency fluccuations why not accounts that are 100% GTD rake revenue.Why not flag withdraws on accounts to look at gettin repaid.(like when u leave a site for a while how meny bonuses by e-mail ect are they offering you to redeposit)Just a few questions.

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Old 04-24-2009, 08:26 PM   #2778
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I am not talking about rigged theorys now, i just started to think about rng when i was responding to that guy and when more i think less sence it makes to me. I would understand something like - allready shuffled decks randomly going into one or other table. But ... Its just thoughts whitch makes no sence .
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:30 PM   #2779
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I am not talking about rigged theorys now, i just started to think about rng when i was responding to that guy and when more i think less sence it makes to me. I would understand something like - allready shuffled decks randomly going into one or other table. But ... Its just thoughts whitch makes no sence .
But you must understand how software determines the said deal and algorithms problems depending on programmer and how this is interpruted(in his eyes or by model presented)

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Old 04-24-2009, 08:37 PM   #2780
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But you must understand how software determines the said deal and algorithms problems depending on programmer and how this is interpruted(in his eyes or by model presented)
My BS alarm is going off. Something tells me that either:

a. You're FOS
b. You have no idea what you're talking about
c. You're nuts
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:43 PM   #2781
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My BS alarm is going off. Something tells me that either:

a. You're FOS
b. You have no idea what you're talking about
c. You're nuts
d. All of the above

Well why dont you enlighten me....shill...Question how does an RNG algorithm go through testing.

As i have tested software PLEASE tell me.From idea to product.Flow chart should be easy and i will except that .
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:43 PM   #2782
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But you must understand how software determines the said deal and algorithms problems depending on programmer and how this is interpruted(in his eyes or by model presented)
Ok, you look smart enough. Explain me how is possible to a machine that generates numbers convert them into hands without repeating the same cards on different tables.
My thoughts are :


A) Components - They would be responsible in delivering each card into different tables, without repeating it self. (makes no sence)

B) RNG randomly generates decks, and delivers them into tables. More probable, but this would mean that by adding one or other component into all card shuffling system you would be able to select and ship cards to tables depending on player profiles, or any other stuff that had been posted here by "rigtards".

C) RNG, is used as processor, which is divided into variuos slots of 52 numbers. Each slot randomly shifts numbers and each time one or other number is dealt, it is removed from a virtual card deck and it keeps shuffling the rest of the numbers.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:44 PM   #2783
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I posted a good theory, so the discussion become nuts.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:46 PM   #2784
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I posted a good theory, so the discussion become nuts.
Man, stop taking drugs.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:53 PM   #2785
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Well why dont you enlighten me....shill...Question how does an RNG algorithm go through testing.

As i have tested software PLEASE tell me.From idea to product.Flow chart should be easy and i will except that .
First off, I am not a shill. But thanks for calling me one anyway.

Do enlighten us on what software testing you have done. Do share your expert insider experience.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:58 PM   #2786
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Ok, you look smart enough. Explain me how is possible to a machine that generates numbers convert them into hands without repeating the same cards on different tables.
My thoughts are :


A) Components - They would be responsible in delivering each card into different tables, without repeating it self. (makes no sence)

B) RNG randomly generates decks, and delivers them into tables. More probable, but this would mean that by adding one or other component into all card shuffling system you would be able to select and ship cards to tables depending on player profiles, or any other stuff that had been posted here by "rigtards".

C) RNG, is used as processor, which is divided into variuos slots of 52 numbers. Each slot randomly shifts numbers and each time one or other number is dealt, it is removed from a virtual card deck and it keeps shuffling the rest of the numbers.

Can never be TRULEY
random as (re)programmed by human(Based on older software ((% of time).Humans are good at programing computers(sotware) on how to think(right or wrong) and not to let them think on there own as always parameters.(and no computer(software) can make or think truley random actions)

A=yes

B=Cannot be discounted

C= Yes as in 52x(x) but that again depends on RNG software.(but standard algorithm problem from math)

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Old 04-24-2009, 09:00 PM   #2787
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Can never be TRULEY
random as (re)programmed by human(Based on older software ((% of time).Humans are good at programing computers on how to think(right or wrong) and not to let them think on there own always parameters.
Tie in a source of entropy (radionuclide decay, mouse movements, thermal noise etc) and you will get closer and closer to the theoretical land of randomness.
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:01 PM   #2788
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What? I don't really get what you are trying to accomplish here. Are you trying to ease your mind, get proof to go after paradise 7 years later, or something else entirely?
I think, reading his thread, that he is only asking a question....
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:05 PM   #2789
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Can never be TRULEY
random as (re)programmed by human(Based on older software ((% of time).Humans are good at programing computers(sotware) on how to think(right or wrong) and not to let them think on there own as always parameters.(and no computer(software) can make truley random actions)

A=yes

B=Cannot be discounted

C= Yes as in 52x(x) but that again depends on RNG software.(but standard algorithm problem from math)

I want to remember that RNG used by poker rooms is hardware based, not software based machine. It catches random sound, and generates it into numbers.
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:12 PM   #2790
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I want to remember that RNG used by poker rooms is hardware based, not software based machine. It catches random sound, and generates it into numbers.
Yeah remember that 1 from the shills....If it makes you fell better when that paycheck gone well as long as you had fun....who cares...
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:14 PM   #2791
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Yeah remember that 1 from the shills....If it makes you fell better when that paycheck gone well as long as you had fun....who cares...
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:39 PM   #2792
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LOL if it was rigged it was rigged for me.
Same here....

Those were the days though...playing with the likes of Diving Duck, Gavrilo, Elbadgio, Styxx, MidKnight, Hanswurst, Durrr, BaBaBoo, JDChance, Franchise, Pope Rek, Samurai, Scott Texas ( LOL ) Puddingpris, the list goes on and on....

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Yeah remember that 1 from the shills....If it makes you fell better when that paycheck gone well as long as you had fun....who cares...
Do you have proof that it isn't? If not, your theory is just that; a theory.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:25 PM   #2794
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Hardware-based "true" RNG generators are used by all poker sites nowadays. And the software code to implement them is like five lines, it is a very simple algorithm to take some entropy source and generate random numbers 1-52 and shuffle a deck or deal a card.

Thread has been taken over by idiots imo.
Oh wait...

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Until the gambling software systems are not subject a regulation driven audit procedure that verifies the fairness and integrity of the system, I have no reason to assume that the gambling software systems are miraculous exceptions in the World of compromised systems and by default delivers a fair game to users.
Well, you should be perfectly happy to assume that they do indeed deliver a fair game to users as your specified condition is clearly being met.
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... I am obviously very new to this forum
Of course you are.
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Firstly, I apologize for misunderstanding the argument, as you can see English is not my first language and I have been continuously misinterpreting things
In particular the likelyhood of on line poker being rigged.
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ok, now that i started to post. Can anyone explain me how a machine witch generates numbers non stop can have 13 diferent cards with 4 diferent suites as an outcome if it has to ship them into more than one table ?
The RNG will have an output buffer that presents a number that can be read by the processor. That number will change very rapidly - much fater than the processor reads the numbers.

At any point where a process withing the server need a random number it then simply reads the current state of the RNG.

So it might do something like:

Read x = RNG

Suit = x % 4

Read x = RNG

Rank = x % 13

(% is the modulus operator).

It now has a random card suit and rank in the appropriate variables and must check that that card has not already been used from the logical deck if it has it must repeat the process, if not the hand is marked as used in the current deck and 'dealt'.
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a machine witch
That explains everything, the witch in the machine.
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That explains everything, the witch in the machine.
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